Talk:Card evolutions
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Do we have a page for upgraded monsters? I saw that they were mentioned here.--DarkMastero 03:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
how about we change the whole page to "Retrained/Upgraded" and add a second section? 71.168.2.60 17:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Since Jinzo - Returner's stats differ from those of Jinzo 7 (which is significant due to Machine Duplication's restriction), should it still count as a retrained version? --Crab Helmet 06:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
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Gearfried[edit]
Would Evoltector Chevalier->Gearfried the Iron Knight->Gearfried the Swordmaster->Phoenix Gearfried count or should Chevalier just vanish?
Sad Stories and Bad End[edit]
I think that the line goes "Bad End Queen Dragon" - "Sad Story - Unshocking Truth" - "Sad Story - Sorrowful Memories" - "Sad Story - Dreadful Day".~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 23:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Gradius[edit]
Would Victory Viper XX03 count as a upgraded version of Gradius? considering they are suppoesed to be the same ship, Vic Viper.
Machine Emperors/Imperial Soldiers[edit]
Should they go in the Downgraded Cards section?--絶望 (talk • contribs) 01:25, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Those aren't downgrades, the Machine Imperial Soldiers are separate monsters from the Machine Emperors. The former are minions for the latter. By your logic a soldier is a downgraded version of a king.
restrict to idiol NO!![edit]
relinquished is not a transformation of thousnd eyes restrict ITS A FUSION MONSTER FROM SEASON 1! come on im sorry but plz get this right —This unsigned comment was made by 67.182.9.80 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
- You're right, but that's just say that Relinquished changed into Thousand-Eyes Restrict as the Fusion Effect "changed" him from one look into the other look. It's treated as transformation. --iFredCat 10:24, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Xyz counterparts[edit]
I don't think "Giant Soldier of Steel" is considered a retrained version of "Giant Soldier of Stone", since the monster depicted looks different. If I was to call it something, it'd be some sort of Xyz counterpart. It, "Legendary Magician of Dark", "Legendary Dragon of White" and "Gaia Dragon, the Thunder Charger" are based on "Giant Soldier of Stone", "Dark Magician", "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" and "Gaia the Dragon Champion", having the same ATK, DEF, Level/Rank value, Type and Attribute and a similar, but not identical monster in the artwork. "Magi Magi ☆ Magician Gal" would not be one, as it has different stats and the artwork was intended to be "Dark Magician Girl", not a similar looking monster. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:53, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Warrior of Zera[edit]
I made an edit regarding Warrior of Zera. Warrior of Zera has three paths, much like other cards have multiple versions. (Warrior Dai Grepher) for example. Anyway, before the edit, it was displayed as;
- Warrior of Zera → Zeradias, Herald of Heaven → Angel of Zera → Archlord Zerato → Darklord Zerato → Mazera DeVille → Zera the Mant
Indicating that Zera evolved from Darklord Zerato to Mazera DeVille to Zera the Mant. This is not the case, so I split it to display as;
- Warrior of Zera → Zeradias, Herald of Heaven → Angel of Zera → Archlord Zerato → Darklord Zerato
- Warrior of Zera → Mazera DeVille
- Warrior of Zera → Zera the Mant
Some might think that Darklord Zerato is merely a Dark Counterpart to Archlord Zerato, however it seems to be generally accepted that Zera, after becoming an Archlord, became corrupted and joined (or formed) the Darklords. Which is why I kept it displayed as Archlord Zerato → Darklord Zerato instead of as
Archlord Zerato/Darklord Zerato. However, as Mazera Deville and Zera the Mant seem to be the first (and only) stages of the other two paths, someone might decide on slashing it with Zeradias, Herald of Heaven. (much like how for Warrior Dai Grepher; Lightray Grepher, Dark Grepher, & Dark Lucius LV4 were slashed as a branching path.) I didn't because it seems like those two are more powerful than the first stage of Zera's heaven path, and didn't seem like an accurate branching point. If other contributors that know this page better, feel free to merge the lines and place the branching slash somewhere for Zera's other paths. Although, it seems like, given the format. the other two paths would have to be branched with Zeradias, Herald of Heaven as something like;
- Warrior of Zera → Zeradias, Herald of Heaven → Angel of Zera → Archlord Zerato/Mazera DeVille/Zera the Mant → Darklord Zerato
could indicate (incorrectly) that Zera took the heaven path normally up to Angel of Zera and the evolving branch is after that point. As well as, Zera the Mant evolves in the Darklord Zerato. (Which it doesn't.) (Peelster1 (talk • contribs) 04:40, July 16, 2014 (UTC))
- Fine by me. Thanks. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:52, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
Use of the term "retrained"[edit]
The only time I recall seeing "retrained" used officially was on the Upper Deck Entertainment site.
"Dark Magician of Chaos" is a retrained version of one of Yugi's most powerful monsters.
Around that time, I heard several unofficial sources use retrained for "Obnoxious Celtic Guard", "Swift Gaia the Fierce Knight", "Enraged Battle Ox" and Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning".
It was my understanding that a "retrained" counterpart is one which depicts the same monster as the original, not an upgraded/modified/alternate version of it, has the same ATK, DEF and Level and gives it an effect. Which would mean over half the cards listed on this page as retrained counterparts are incorrect.
However the product list page on the same site says that Flaming Eternity contains retrained monsters. I don't see anything in that set that would be considered retrained, even by the criteria this page seems to be using.
Does anyone have any insights/thoughts as to what exactly we should be classing as "retrained"? -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:36, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
