Forum:Harpie Queen

Isn't the effect that treats the name of Harpie Queen a Condition effect instead of Continuous? The same can be asked about Harpie Dancer. --90.168.137.168 (talk) 21:02, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

No, because those effects only apply while they are on the field or in the Graveyard. Cyber Harpie Lady, for example, doesn't mention where its name is treated as Harpie Lady; that means it applies everywhere; also, that part can't be negated, so it's a condition. MadRest 21:07, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Following with MadRest's comment, there are the reason why you can only playing up to total of 3 copies in same deck (included Side Deck):

• Original Harpie Lady
• Cyber Harpie Lady
• Harpie Lady 1
• Harpie Lady 2
• Harpie Lady 3

And for the one that can be add while it nearly following the above lists:

• Harpie Queen
• Harpie Dancer

--iFredCat 21:12, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

But you both forget that continuous effects only apply when the monster is face-up in the field. This effect, which also applies when in the graveyard can't be continuous, and there are condition effects that can be negated. --90.168.137.168 (talk) 21:22, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Since when did IP-Addressed User ask about where they can be using in the game? He only asked if the effect of being "Harpie Lady" is a Condition or Continuous Effect. MadRest said that the latest two are Continuous while all other monsters with her name (Harpie Lady) are Condition, as I added to his comment; the list of which are Condition and which are Continuous. --iFredCat 21:28, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Never mind above comment - Condition and Cost are impossible to be negating, any way, any where. Both Queen and Dancer are Continuous while face-up on the field and in the Graveyard. Otherwise why we can using "Hysteric Party" to Special Summon them back onto the field? --iFredCat 21:30, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

If a Continuous Effect doesn't mention where it applies, it means it only applies on the field. If it mentions the Graveyard, it's still a Continuous Effect. Even though Cyber doesn't mention anywhere, it's still not a Continuous Effect. It takes a bit common sense to differentiate them sometimes, but that's how it is. MadRest 21:35, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

That's kindly the reason why I listed them in correct group of which one is which. Hope I didn't take too much of spotlight... --iFredCat 21:51, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

This is from Continuous Monster Effect, it's even stated in the rulebook:

Continuous Monster Effects (永続効果, Eizokukōka) typically come into play as soon as the monster is successfully Summoned, and don't disappear until the monster is removed from the field or flipped face-down.

And this is from Condition Effect:

There are two main types of Conditions. There are ones that are not considered to be an effect and cannot be negated by cards like "Skill Drain"; the ones that are considered to be an effect, can be negated by cards like "Skill Drain".

Even in the condition page it states the following under conditions that can be negated:

"Graveyard Conditions" such as "Phantom Beast Cross-Wing", "Harpie Queen" and "Elemental HERO Necroshade"

--90.168.137.168 (talk) 21:54, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

That... well, should we hit up some expert judges to answer that one up? --iFredCat 21:59, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

That's general stuff which apply to most things, not all. There are always exceptions. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:01, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also Konami has not made clear whether or not Graveyard conditions which can be negated are Continuous or Condition, which is why it varies a bit here. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:07, January 16, 2013 (UTC)