Forum:October 2014 Banlist Predictions

Ninety-Eight's List

Well, it's that time of year again...yeah, banlist predictions. Well...

Banned:

• The 4 daddy rulers - I don't care if anyone calls me salty or whatever on this, but my stance on these cards remains unchanged. They should leave the game so we can get balanced cards back and stop hitting more balanced ones.
• Royal Tribute - Not a certainty, but it's one of the last few insta-win buttons in the game, it'd be better if it left.

Limited:

• Dark Magician of Chaos - Someone convince me how this card is still banworthy. Anyone. Please.
• Thousand-Eyes Restrict - Oh no, me so scared of one free removal with Instant Fusion. Nah seriously, this card is way past it's day and age.
• Dragon Ravine - Only if Rulers get banned.
• Soul Charge - Ideally, this should actually be banned. But all I can see for now is a limit.

Semi-Limited:

• Debris Dragon - Only if Rulers get banned.
• Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Glads haven't done anything in ages, they could use a push. Won't hurt anyone.
• Neo-Spacian Grand Mole - A non-targeting compulsory that uses up your normal summon and needs to attack to work, sounds pretty fair to me. Bring it down.

Unlimited:

• Burner, Lightning, Reactan, and Stream - Only if their dads get banned.
• Dark Strike Fighter - The TCG has had the new once per turn errata for a while now (it was actually changed just before the July banlist), so yeah. Has no reason to be banned anymore.
• Magician of Faith - Because Tsukuyomi turbo will be tier 60 either way.
• Summoner Monk - Might seem like an odd choice at first, but in reality, it uses up your normal summon and costs a spell to summon the monster. That's pretty fair by me and most people probably wouldn't use more than 2 anyways.
• Advanced Ritual Art - Because ritual.dek will probably never be viable anymore anyways.
• Gold Sarc - Only if Rulers get banned.
• Reinforcement of the Army - If Tenki is at 3, this should be too. The problem is not the generic warrior searcher, but most likely the warrior itself (Stratos).
• Sacred Sword - Only if Rulers get banned.

The "didn't make it" list:

These are a few select cards that I could've put on my list, but didn't:

• Dragon Shrine - No kiddies, the right option is not to hit another balanced card like this to prolong the inevitable on the real problem that is Rulers, you get rid of the real problem immediately. This will stay at 3
• Cyber-Stein - Stop it with the "OCG has it, TCG should too" logic. Their banlist is bad as it is and I shouldn't need to explain why a first turn Exterio or Last Warrior is bad for YGO. Should never come back.
• Goyo Guardian - I was initially outraged when this guy came back, but ever since he returned, I honestly haven't really seen him. I hate to admit it, but he's really just another big beatstick like BLS, only rogue decks make him anymore and he's easy to stop with the traps we have, battle or on-summon. He can stay at 1.
• Sinister Serpent - It's not too strong and it could come back, but I think DMoC and/or TER should return first.
• Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity - It could come back to boost wind-ups, but like Sinister, not right now.
• Trishula - No, not happening. It's part of too many banish loops with de-synchro and it generates too much advantage when used correctly.
• Infernities - Yeah I know, they sacked worlds with an OTK, but otherwise they aren't too much of a hassle. Maybe ban Launcher to give them their 2nd and/or 3rd barriers back? I'd be good with that.
• HAT - Won't be touched, the deck isn't hard to play around and having a balanced deck like this as the top deck of the last two formats is healthy for the game.
• Satellarknights/Shadolls - Duelist Alliance is still rather new, they won't hit something that just came out. Wait until the list after October to touch these guys.

Well, that's all I have to say for now. Comments? Ninety-eight (talk • contribs) 11:20, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

What do you think they SHOULD do with the Shaddoll/Satellerknights, ignoring the newcomer immunity?DreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 13:35, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Well, the only real hitworthy card in Satellarknights is probably Altair, as it revives a Satellarknight for easy combos and plays. The effect of that monster kinda reminds me of Fire Fist Spirit, which is limited, but he's a also a tuner, which allows for many more options, so a semi might be better for Altair. As for Shadolls...either hit Shadoll Fusion since it generates free advantage by allowing fusion summoning from the deck, or smack Winda (Midrash) as she stops most decks from playing yugioh with her special summon restriction and indestructibility effects. Ninety-eight (talk • contribs) 15:30, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Or both of them IMO, I also really don't like that they can just be brought back with falco, though i may be overthinking that one and my experience with having to kill Midrash 7 times wasn't something that comes up competitivelyDreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 19:44, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Except that if you do that, you really just about kill the deck. In my opinion, Stellarnova Alpha is the only listworthy card. I can negate any effect and easily go up to plus 3 off of doing so? Seriously, not hard to do. As for Shaddolls, Sinister Shadow Games and MAYBE, El Shaddoll Fusion. The first generates way to much advantage and setup while the second is a quickplay Polymerization for Shaddolls... Admittedly, I don't expect El Shaddoll Fusion to be hit, but it's really the only other card outside of SiniShadGames that could be hit and not kill the deck imo.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talk • contribs) 06:27, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

El Shaddoll Fusion hasn't been released in the TCG yet, so it can't be hit on the October banlist. Hastydemon2 (talk • contribs) 01:30, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that. I was more speaking generally.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talk • contribs) 02:07, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

TheOtherWhiteNerd's Prediction List

October 2014 Banlist Predictions

Tier 1 decks

•Bujin •Geargia •HAT •Infernity •RulerSworn •Satellarknights •Shaddoll

Upcoming Support/Releases

•Burning Abyss •Monarch •Noble Knights •Qliphort •Satellarknights •Shaddoll •Yang Zing

Banned

I don't think anything will be banned.

Limited

•"Artifact Morraltach" - The OCG has done this and it works. With the release of Artifact Scythe, the engine can change to an Anti-Special Summon engine. Sure, the engine isn't as effective, but the currnet engine is too powerful.

•"Eclipse Wyvern" - I don't think Konami wants to ban the Dragon Rulers, but isn't stupid enough to let any Dragon Ruler decks dominate the meta. RulerSworn was a very dominant deck this format, and it looks like it could be a money sink for Konami next format. However, seeing how they relatively recently released a Lightsworn Structure Deck, I don't see them hitting "Classic" Lightsworns. It's important to note that if they banned the Dragon Rulers, RulerSworn would transition into ChaosSworn (aka Twilight) and could do relatively the same thing. Keeping that in mind and seeing as how classic Lightsworn is just bad right now, I don't really see anything else that can really be hit to actually weaken the deck.

•"Mermail Abyssteus" and/or "Abyss-Sphere" - Mermails have long since had their time. I don't hate the deck (I'm very neutral on the matter), but I think that it's finally time. While I'm not convinced they'll just swap over to the OCG hits, I do think we'll eventually see those hits in the TCG and the excess damage done will be undone.

•"Kaiser Coliseum" - This card is exploited by Bujins and their "protect the castle" style of play. Kaiser, in my opinion, is a card that says the opponent can't play Yu-Gi-Oh!, but you can. Kaiser decks are not necessarily the best Bujin decks, but (once again, my opinion) they are the most degenerate. This deck is the most problematic to the player base, as it makes it so that the opponent cannot play. Furthermore, this card has been used by a number of decks outside of Bujins that have had varying degrees of success for some time now. Bujin is simply the deck that has had the most.

•"Soul Charge" - Personally, I don't see SC as a problem card. In fact, quite the opposite. This card singlehandedly boosts SO many decks to a much higher tier, and is the sole reason why Infernity has even been relevant the past couple of formats. However, Infernities have been abusing this card since its release and has proven to be one of the most powerful decks of this format. I think this card will see the list, but I'm not entirely convinced it will go to 1. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see it untouched.

Semi-limited

•"Traptrix Myrmeleo" - Searches very powerful cards and pops cards on Special Summon. At two it doesn't kill the Traptrix engine, but does make it less consistent.

Newly Unlimited

•"Dark Strike Fighter" - With the TCG getting "Legendary Collection 5D's" in October, it only makes sense to bring back one of the most iconic Synchro Monsters of all time in the Legendary Collection of its series. If this card doesn't come back this list, then I feel confident that it will come back partway through the format.

•Reinforcement of the Army - Noble Knights and Satellarknights are decks that Konami is supporting, and people have been asking to bring this card back for ages.

Honorable Mentions

These are changes that, while I don't think are as likely to happen, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

•"Gorz, the Emissary of Darkness" to 2 - It's done nothing for ages now.

•"Honest" to 2 - I "honestly" hope not, but I get a funny feeling that they may do this to boost Noble and Satellarknights. (Sorry, terrible joke is terrible.)

•"Magician of Faith" to 3 - It's done nothing and will never do anything major. It's too slow.

•"Nurse Reficule the Fallen One" and "Bad Reaction to Simochi" to 2 - Anti-Cure Burn is a deck that is actually very powerful and has the potential to be the next "greatest" burn deck, finally dethroning Chain Burn. These two cards are the cards that make the whole deck function. While I don't think any deck needs to die, I do think this deck needs to be hit. [Honestly, this is more of a wish-list item, and I'll gladly admit I'm grasping at straws here.]

•"Allure of Darkness" and/or "Dark Armed Dragon" to 2 - If Konami really wishes to push Shaddolls and Burning Abyss, then we may see these come down the list.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talk • contribs) 02:06, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

potential returners

heres things I suspect have a chance at coming back NOTE not all are expected to come back this is based on both lists and past trends I expect to be met with contempt and anger by those who don't understand remember they unbanned ring of destruction for one season. theres always a wild card

CYBER-STEIN 5000 points for one monster that dies next turn, soulcharge gets you 5 for that price and doesn't leave you with a weak monster in atk mode

DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS most of the cards he brought back are banned, compulsory kills it, misses the timing, not as good as it was back in gx

ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS probably not but HEROes are coming back so, they may... they did worse in the past, its unbanned in japan, misses the timing and the only good wind HERO

GLOW-UP BULB you never know, theyre no longer hating synchroes

MAGICAL SCIENTIST I know I know. its too good, right??? well, to poop out 2 fusions then xyz uses up 3 extra deck cards. you can only do this 3x before running out of space, and only wind up getting dark holed or TT'd. and by then you've used up 9 extra deck cards and 6000lp. 1000lp for soulcharge and no battlephase is deemed ok. same thing only it promotes wasting your extradeck

SINISTER SERPENT not worthy of ban

TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS w/o priority it often wont get its effect off. in a mirror match its more harm than good. at best; you use one hand for killing one monster and it dies next turn or gets mindcontrolled and turned against you.

THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT would just get killed by card effects. stopping battle/changes wont do much for long. often not worth getting out

DARK STRIKE FIGHTER if not now then after the reprint

TRISHULA, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER not likely as the new forms are coming but you never know

NUMBER 16: SHOCK MASTER on the off chance they take from japans list, can be killed in battle. with not too much effort. komani made worse moves

WIND-UP CARRIER ZENMAITY if the other one gets banned

CARD DESTRUCTION if konami randomly wants dark worlders to dominate

DRAGON RAVINE if rulers die

HEAVY STORM backrow is dominating. unbanned in japan. promotes smarter plays than; set 5 turn end.

METAMORPHOSIS most of the best fusions cant be brought out with this. promotes filling prime extra deck real estate for fusions you can only get out with one card. if negated you lose the monster you sacrificed to activate it for nothing. monster would just die next turn or run into a d prison or torrential

MONSTER REBORN unbanned in japan. yeah its kinda OP but it also gets people to be more wary of sending their good monsters to the grave, useless for XYZ. hard to use with pendulums

PREMATURE BURIAL wasn't the main reason this was banned because of brionac?

SUPER REJUVENATION incase rulers are banned

IMPERIAL ORDER no as broken as it once was. most people use monster effects to kill traps. 3mst can chain. most of the magic cards it used to stop were banned.

RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION in case rulers are banned.

SOLEMN JUDGMENT unbanned in japan. the new one is unused. more often than not costs you the game than wins it with its hefty cost if used in near start Chiissu (talk • contribs) 03:40, August 29, 2014 (UTC) Chiissu (talk • contribs) 03:42, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

I think we've already established that the OCG is in a terrible state, and the TCG should try to avoid emulating it. There's a reason why the banlist split occurred. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 09:23, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

"Unbanned In Japan" is not a valid reason for it to be unbanned here, if anything, a reason to NOT unban it. also, don't thing you know what you are talking about on alot of these. MST has been at 3 for a long damn time and that didn't get imperial Order off, that reason for Card Dest. is retarded, why list it? soulcahrge getting more monsters for the same cost as cyber stein is not a good reason, need to compare effects, not costs. you expected rage and contempt correctly, almost none of those have any chance of returning. also, the TCG list should have nothing to do with the past trends of the OCG listDreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 13:29, August 29, 2014 (UTC)