Forum:Duel Records Edits

I don't think it's necessary to include duels that are briefly talked about to hype up a new character or are implied. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 22:45, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

I do think it is. --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 23:01, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

Their not. It's redundant to list off duels that are only mentioned in a blink and you'll miss it sort of way, even more so with duels that are image spots. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 04:41, December 23, 2017 (UTC)

As do I. They have to be documented somewhere, and if we start taking opinions into account, then this all becomes extremely gray and a pain in the bum very quickly. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 08:00, December 23, 2017 (UTC)

Not every duel offhandedly brought up has to be listed off. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 17:46, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

It's still a piece of information that has to be recorded. You are just overthinking that this is some sort of an issue. ☺ Energy X ☻ 10:41, December 23, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not the one who turned this into some sort of issue. You lot are the ones making a big fuss about it. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 17:46, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

Just to know you are wrong about listing one duels as two separate. Sure it was not two on one, which is exactly we use / instead of and. (Ninja72 (talk • contribs) 19:11, December 25, 2017 (UTC))

That would imply they dueled together, which they did not. That's why they were split. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 17:46, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

Think of it this way. If Leon's default victory over Zigfried (due to Zigfried falsifying his name and a change in plans by Kaiba) wasn't recorded, you'd have no way of knowing how he won. Thus, tournament records are always important, even for results where the victory was by default. --MasterMarik (talk •

But the thing is, Leon and Zigfried never did duel. Kaiba dueled in his place. You can't count a duel if the duelists haven't even started. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 17:03, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

contribs) 21:44, December 28, 2017 (UTC) No it does not imply that they dueled together. If they dueled together, it would be with and instead of/. (Ninja72 (talk • contribs) 13:51, December 30, 2017 (UTC)) On this wiki / implies replacement. (Ninja72 (talk • contribs) 14:15, December 30, 2017 (UTC))

That doesn't tell me anything nor provide much of an argument. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 17:03, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Finaldraw, this is quickly getting tiring. Don't be a gigant hypocrite, YOU are making a big fuss out of this, by deciding without care to disrupt something everyone was chill with and causing widespread edit wars.

As we can see, everyone who commented here is against you, so you clearly are the losing party.

And about taking over, when the new player keeps the same field+graveyard and/or LP as the retired player, then by cold hard logic, it's the same fricking duel! --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 17:51, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, only Sanokal and MasterMarik have actually tried to discuss this. However, instead of discussing this like them, the rest of you are instead flat out telling me I'm wrong and given superfluous reasons as to why, like "It's been that way a long time so there's no need to change it". What's more is that you specifically XBrain are getting worked up more than you should be over something as minor as a fictional character's duel record and honestly, that's a little sad. Your rants aren't helping to move this discussion along, so how about we try to discuss this topic for a change instead, okay? --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 23:01, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Look, I am very sorry. I am not in a really good mood lately. I am currently stuck in a pretty boring place with limited internet (which is one of the reasons I have not replied on this sooner, or edited anything at all lately) on really sucky laptop, and you are not helping by coming out of nowhere and kicking up this confusion right before the forking project (the other cause for my low activity).

But I'm still the opinion that you are also acting a bit all-mighty there, if you excuse me. I can see that more than one user finds your declaration of what deserves to be omitted a "superfluous reason" to change stuff up. Can you really think yourself as so above this when you are stubbornly reverting reverts left-and-right? You may have noticed DragonEmeperor, someone is stubbornly reverting your reverts, has been warned and temporanely blocked more than once, so in your shoes I'd really stop doing that for fear they might come after me.

Also, if I must be sincere, pretending a well-constructed and thought-out reason to not be complete and detailed in our data reports about fictional characters is what sounds "getting worked up on something minor" to me. The very fact it is fiction, and not real people what we are talking here, is exactly the reason there's no detail too insignicant to point out.

Please, let us be, you're just making things difficult for those of use who are packing bags for moving to Yugipedia. --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 23:34, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Forgive me if I don't take your personal life into consideration when I'm on here. Next time I'll be sure to look you up on social media before my next edit to make sure you'll be ready to rant about it.

All joking aside, it was not my intention to cause any confusion, but this is turning into an issue because you and Ninja72 are letting it become one. The two of you are acting as if I added something that either never happened or was unconfirmed and have yet to give me an actual reason as to why beyond "they should stay the same." You don't even stop to consider that I may have a point on a few edits and instantly decide I'm wrong without much thought, especially with duels that don't even happen.

What I am doing is no different to expanding on a character's personality or bio, merely making corrections for the duel records. Sorry if this is an inconvenience to you, but you're personal life is the least of my concerns at the moment, so if you want this to come to an end, I'd suggest talking about it and giving me a concrete reason as to why.

One more thing: you may want to double check you're spelling on some of you're posts. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 06:21, January 10, 2018 (UTC)

Actually, Sanokal has also flat out told you you are wrong. You can see it in his edit summary. http://yu-gi-oh.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Duel_Records_Edits?diff=3912402&oldid=3912363. • contribs) 19:35, January 4, 2018 (UTC)) And he is right, this should not even be a debate. You cant just come out of nowhere and try to change the rules. Some of your edits have been undone like four times already by different users, so quit being stubborn and trying to force your way on us. If I was you, I would have given up by now. (Ninja72 (talk • contribs) 23:00, January 4, 2018 (UTC))

Actually, he was stating his thoughts and opinion on this topic, unlike what you've been doing. The only ones who've been reverting my edits are you, XBrain130, and DragonEmeperor, the latter who apparently does this on a regular basis and the other two being the only one's to get worked up over something minor like a duel record, but now I'm starting to see why at least why you would. It's because those duels, where one character takes over for another that were listed as the same duel before I reverted them were you're edits. All this because you didn't like it when I reverted them back to separate duels. Unbelievable.

Where does it say in Yugioh Wiki rulebook how a certain duel has to be structured? Oh wait, that's right, there isn't one. From what I've seen, this dash-mark "/" is usually for when another character is part of the duel where they both use the same deck together, like Yugi and Atem, Yuma and Astral, Yuya and Yuto, and even Jack and Carly at one point, not for when one character takes over for another in a duel. Even if it's the same duel, the opposing duelist is still facing a new opponent, meaning that the duel should be split off into two. It's like if two basketball players are in the middle of a game of horse, but for whatever reason, one of them has to bow out, letting someone else continue the game with the substitute playing with the first player's score. So unless you have a good reason, I'd suggest laying off those edits.

And if I was you, I'd work on my grammar for a bit. Maybe then we can actually have a discussion for a change. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 06:21, January 10, 2018 (UTC)

Stop being an ass for starters. XB's perfectly right; this is the last thing needed at this stage. And no, this is not "because these are their edits", this is because they genuinely think that you're wrong (as do I).

You've failed to give any reason for not listing these specific Duels other than you specifically have a problem with them. Much to my disdain, there is actually a more narrowed category that you seem to be interested in; major Duels actually have their own pages for the most part (which is very much a work in progress, and a series of pages that I personally feel are redundant given that it's just the episode pages compiled in effectiveness).

As for the more specific Duels like the first Mizar Duel, the Noah Duel, and the Mr. Heartland Duel, these should be in the same category. It's still the same match; just with different players taking over (which makes me wonder if there's been a takeover where they restarted from scratch; I'm sure that there has been, maybe I'm thinking of something like the Tyler Sisters' back-to-back Duels). Heck, Yugi merges Kaiba's deck with his (still technically a different deck, admittedly).

Now, the Ziegfried duel (and subsequently Reed and Dipper's) is very much a grey area. That being said, the duel is in-universe declared as won by the victor for tournament purposes. Personally, I think that this has to be noted as opposed to forfeits. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 08:06, January 10, 2018 (UTC)

Actually, FinalDraw, you failed to mention that Enegy X has also been reverting your edits, and what does it matter, if we are the only ones, it is still four users against one. Btw, learn to speak proper English. You're is a contraction for you are, what you you want to say is your. / is used for both the case you mentioned, and taking over. It has always been like that. For example, on the Yusei Fudo page it has been saying Roman Goodwin/Rally Dawson, and Jakob/Aporia, ever since a duel section was added to his page. When, I joined together the duels for Mizar, Mr. Heartland, and Noah, I was going by this page. As for Sanokal, did you not see the edit summary, which I linked? "Why is this even a debate" (Ninja72 (talk • contribs) 15:52, January 10, 2018 (UTC))

I'd argue that the fight against Noah does count as 2 Duels. Kaiba loses the first Duel by the effect of "Last Turn". Yugi and Noah then began a second Duel, where the starting conditions were those of the previous Duel ended with - ie no cards in either player's hand, Noah having "Shinato, King of a Higher Plane", Yugi having "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" in his Graveyard, and Noah starting with 7400LP, and Yugi with 400. With such a long list of things similar between the 2, it's easy to say they're the same Duel, but that completely ignores that Kaiba's Duel with Noah actually ended, with Noah declaring an automatic victory by a card effect. Battlemaniac (talk • contribs) 19:59, January 12, 2018 (UTC)