Forum:Mystical space typhoon negates???

if my opponent activate a trap and i activate mystical space typhoon to counter it, will it negate the effect of the trap just because its destroyed?

the effect of mystical space typhoon just say destroy a magic/trap on the field. it did not say negate and destroy. but in the tournements i see mystical space typhoon actually negating an effect of a trap/magic.

So does it negates? Kznightmare 11:04, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Negate != Destroy. The tournaments you go to seem to lack a judge. --Pizzaman 13:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• For a more thorough explanation, Spells and Traps that have effects which trigger when the effect is activated have Activated effects. These sort of effects only require the Spell/Trap to be successfully activated (meaning not negated) and cannot be stopped if you destroy the Spell/Trap but not negate it. Things like Continuous Spells and Traps have effects that continue as long as the Spell/Trap remains face-up - these are Applied effects. Applied effects require the Spell/Trap to remain on the field. So, in conclusion, MST does not negate effects unless they are Applied ones. --Gadjiltron 03:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

No it does'nt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everybody should already know MST does not negate the effect of a spell or trap card when activated. Mst is used to destroy normally continous trap and spell cards not negate them. For example your opponent has a face-down card your afraid of and you want to destroy, well then go ahead and knock yourself out by using mystical space typhoon. don't pay attention to those tacky tournaments... they have no lives.. just trust yourself , and remember Mst does not negate effcts of spell and trap cards! :)

Try looking up Spell Speed >_>

=== It really doesnt matter what the general agreement is some say yes some say no... You and your oppenent should decide these things before you start the duel or the tournament... The reason this is a problem is because of spell speed... Mst since it has quick play spell status is considered a spell speed level of 2 anything with equal or lower spell speed is subject to the whole of death it brings...and if it is activated later on than the card you a trying to negate in the chain then its effect resolves first and the spell or normal trap that you activated mst as a chain to is destroyed before its effect can be activated.... On the other hand it says destroy not negate... Technically it would stop the effect but anything saying if an effect was negated would not go into play because the card was not negated just merely destroyed before its effect came into play.... 70.109.9.108 21:01, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

• What the hell? No. You don't know what you're talking about. It does matter what the "general agreement" is because those are THE RULES OF THE GAME. You can't just decide to change that because you want to. Mystical Space Typhoon destroys 1 Spell or Trap Card on the field. Dark Bribe NEGATES 1 Spell or Trap Card. There is a DIFFERENCE. Don't give advice if you don't even know the fundamental rules of the game.--YamiWheeler 21:22, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear god, shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.

Gadjiltron is correct. MST cannot negate cards per se, and certainly will have no effect if chained to Brain Control, for instance. However, say your opponent activates Royal Oppression to negate your summon. If you chain MST to destroy Oppression, then its effect will not resolve. It works for continuous spells and traps only. Runer5h 21:20, February 26, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

But a chain...

what if you activate a MST on an activated PRE-SET card as a chain before it was ever flipped therefore it was never activated. This negate::destroy thing is a big issue where I duel and It does not mention this in the rule book

O.o I'm pretty sure that's irrelevant

Even if a card is destroyed, unless its effect is negated, if it's part of a chain it will carry through and pan out. The only reason there would be cards that both 'negate and destroy' is if cards that only 'destroy' do not negate.

Answer:

This is coming from a judge: "Mystical Space Typhoon" does not negate. The text does not say "negate", it only says "destroy". If MST targets a card in chain, it will destroy the card, but will not prevent the effect from resolving. If MST is chained to a Continuous Trap Card, Continuous Spell Card, Field Spell Card, or Equip Spell Card, their effects will not be applied; they must resolve properly without being destroyed in order for their effects to apply. DemonGodAsura 15:17, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Precisely. For more proof, just look at the rulings for Good Goblin Housekeeping; according to it, it counts the number of copies of itself for its draw effect during its resolution, but if a card is chained to it that sends it to the graveyard but does not negate its effect, when it resolves, it will count itself for its own effect. It's a perfect example of how destroy =/= negate (and if negate = destroy, then we wouldn't have cards like Skill Drain or Imperial Order, who negates but doesn't destroy cards). 66.228.109.2 15:29, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Quesiton on MST

I was dueling and my opponet activated Mind Control, so i activated MST! He says it wasn't negated only destroyed. How can the eff of mind control activate if it is destroyed? Think about it: If someone destroys and apple, can u still eat it? NO u cna't! So after its destroeyd how can u use it? Think about this? If this is true, what the heck is the point of that card? Who is right here?!