Forum:So is exceed good? Compared to everything before that?

because I have not started yet. Wasn't too impressed with the card lists of both packs. Impressions and comments please

Rushifa666 (talk • contribs) 17:33, July 30, 2011 (UTC) rushifa666

They give you another option, and that counts for something. Sure their effects are limited in use, but played smartly, I don't see a problem. Besides not like there invincible. Can still be destroyed by battle, effect, etc. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 17:49, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hate their low atks and is the field loss worth it most of the time? So far the 4 star and below normal creatures in both packs have very low atks too. Sacking two 1700 to summon a 2000+ creature to me is quite dumb. Any particular exceed that is good?

Personally, I think these 2 are worth the trade-off, Number 39: Utopia and Steelswarm Roach, sure Roach is kind weak, but its like a Rai-Oh. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 19:27, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

A few are really good. Leviair the Sea Dragon is awesome-use Gold Sarcophagus on Level 4 or lower Monster you need from your deck then Normal Summon Tour Guide From the Underworld. Xyz Summon it and Special Summon the selected card.

Steelswarm Roach is just undoubtedly awesome. Vylon Disigma is less so, but in a Gadget deck with Ultimate Offering you can get three in one turn and then get rid of three monsters. That's power. Evolkaiser Ragia isn't a bad card either. Use Rescue Rabbit to Special Summon two Sabersaurus or use Jurrac Guaiba's effect to Special Summon another Jurrac Monster and Xyz Summon. You'll have a monster with 2400 ATK and a Solemn Judgment as well. Wind-Up Zenmaister is really good for worms. It's easy to summon (Normal Summon Xex, send Yagan to your Graveyard, Special Summon Yagan, Xyz Summon, and Yagan won't be exiled when it leaves the field). First, you're turning an 1800 into a 2600. In addition to that, you get a free Book of Moon on your Worms each turn (and it re-activates their effects).

The two Level 5 Xyz Monsters and the Level 8 Xyz Monster have awesome effects but are too difficult to summon to be very powerful.BobaFett2 (talk)

Other that Vylon all the 3 xyz stinks. I'd rather summon a god. The atk math doesn't add up. I don't get that wow feeling like I had with the 5ds first 2 packs. Exceed looks interesting but not spectacular yet. Honestly the monsters other than exceeds look much better. The silver ninja, day breaker or the tengu every one is cursing looks promising. The 2 packs interest me because of the normals and the supports. Throwing out exceeds for now.

The Egyptian Gods aren't any good. Except Obelisk. And that's only okay. Also, they're called "Xyz".BobaFett2 (talk)

No.16 ruler of colour - shock ruler, no.19 freezerdon, no.61 volcasaurus, steelswarm roach, vylon disigma, grenosaurus, gachi gachi gentetsu, and empty space sea serpent laviel are the best Xyz thus far.--DoitForTheLulZ! (talk • contribs) 11:48, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Volcasaurus requires two Level 5 monsters-it's too costly. Same with Freezerdon. Grenosaurus is not very good. Gachi Gachi is too weak to be very good.BobaFett2 (talk)

If playing a Watt deck has taught me anything, it's that attack math isn't everything. I'm not saying run "Number 56: Goldrat," but never knock a monster's attack as the only reason not to use it, or a monster's attack to excuse it's poor function in a deck. Besides, alot of Synchros don't make the attack math add up. In my experience you will almost always deal more damage with the Synchro Materials for "Stardust Dragon" than the Stardust Dragon itself. Even moreso for "Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier." On the other hand, their effects, more often than not, are more than enough for me to justify the summon. Getting Pseudo Book of Moon, a special summon from either player's removed from play, a 2600 beater than for the next two turns is immune to destruction effects and will pop a card every time he attacks, A 2500 beater that not only can turn the opponent's attack position effect monsters into equip cards, but pop monsters of the same attribute as it's equipped cards, they're good options. 75.60.216.121 (talk) 18:30, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I never mentioned attack power. Gachi Gachi just isn't worth using. He requires two Level 2 monsters and his bonuses are too minor to be useful.BobaFett2 (talk)

^ umm your on crack right? gachi is AMAZING in agents you summon venus and you have an amazing combo set up use valhalla ss venus normal summon earth grab another venus use venus's effect bring out 3 shine balls exceed twice for 2 gachis remember the game is about advantage and a monster thats hard to kill PLUS boosts other monsters you bring out is pretty damn good even so u can bring out venus use her effect get one gachi and have a 2000 atk venus and if your opponent wants to waste resources like dark holes, smashing grounds, ect JUST to get rid of one gachi that means theyre wasting theyre power cards and you gain the advantage its an amazing exceed dont judge it because of its low stats Raiga (talk • contribs) 19:03, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I retracted that statement. No need to be a total moron. Drugs aren't funny. Also, in Agents, better to Synchro Summon and get Trishula (Birdman or Earth as Tuner).BobaFett2 (talk)

yea your totally good at this game going into a trishula running into a bottomless, warning, or veiler and playing aggressive instead of staying consistant and focusing on small pushes for game omg you MUST be better at this game then me cuz once ya pull off trishula you soooo have game lol scrubs these days Raiga (talk • contribs) 16:49, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand your urge to be moronic. Gachi is worse than Trishula. Better get Trishula and trigger their cards then do nothing and get trampled. Now quit being an idiot.BobaFett2 (talk)

• That wasn't nescessarily directed at you. I just see "Their attack is too low" in every single discussion about XYZs. Also, Ojama decks take Gachi Gachi Gentetsu and laugh their way to the bank. 75.60.216.121 (talk) 19:12, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

They don't need it. They're supposed to use Red to swarm, Ojama Delta Hurricane, and Ojama Country for massive damage (Super Polymerization for game) or use Ojamagic and Snipe Hunter.BobaFett2 (talk)

It's a solid option. With Ojama Country active, Gachi becomes a 2200 beater by itself, two become 2600s, and 3 become 3000. Red, Delta Hurricane, Overlay twice, Country's effect to special summon any ojama from the grave and you got game. Two Gachis at 2600, two Ojamas at 1800, totalling 8800. Without Gachi, you'd need super poly after attacking with each Ojama to make exactly 8000. It's more consistant to at least have Gachis in the Extra Deck cause it requires one less card in hand to OTK using the Gachis. 75.60.216.121 (talk) 21:00, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Though I respect your state, Boba, but it can help you with two extra attack barriers, where "Colossal Fighter" cannot reach. If you tried to protect yourself from two fate attacks while there is Banish effect cards on the field (Marco Cosmos, for explain), Colossal Fighter do not help you though Gachi Gachi can do that, since he only sent Material to Graveyard in order to prevent his own destruction. --FredCat 21:14, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

If they can beat Colossal Fighter, they can beat Gachi Gachi. Just use Marshmallon or something like that against Anti-Meta.BobaFett2 (talk)

I am aware of that, I am just support the fact of this topic's namesake - Xyz (Exceed is Fanslation) - by show Gachi Gachi that he have a good side. He can counter the one that Marshmallon also cannot - destroy by effect as well. --FredCat 21:24, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

You know I've been beating Dopple Librarian, Sams, Vayu Turbo, Disaster dragon, machina gadget, and a few other decks (though not x-sabers) the last few days with GachiJamas, right? it's just alot more consistant with them than any other build prior to him could have been, and still lets me make use of Frozen Fitzgerald & Snipe Hunter as needed,

Gadgets also can abuse the heck out of Vylon Disigma / Number 16: Ruler of Color - Shock Ruler to either nom the opponents field, or to prevent them playing -any- cards for the next 3 turns

(Basiclly, i think the ik-seez work quite well, and most so far are better thought out than a number of other cards from a varienty of generations (except for No.16 <,<)

-Resk (✩) 21:32, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...now I see how that works. That's actually pretty good (Red -> Hurricane -> Gachigachi x2) BobaFett2 (talk)

Low atks compound the problem, and a lot of people have noticed. No stardust here, no brionac, gachi looks good, no 39 looks good too. But nothing really looks great.maybe I was hoping for too much. Still sticking with synchs for the time being.

We're getting Orient Dragon (another Level 6 Synchro) as well as Steelswarm Roach.BobaFett2 (talk)

Personally, I believe Xyz monsters are what Synchros should have been. Broken Synchro monsters like Brionac, Goyo Guardian, Dark Strike Fighter, Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En, etc. would have been a lot better for the game if there had been any/more restrictions on how often they could use their effects. Either that or if there had been greater restrictions on their Synchro materials. It seems that Konami is trying to be more cautious this time around with Xyz, and trying to make most of them a lot more balanced. A good thing about it is that you don't have to tech random tuners into your deck to summon them, and the ease with which they're summoned is counter-balanced by how often they can use their effects. Plus, the Xyz mechanic can give a lot of older decks a fighting chance. Off the top of my head, Batteryman decks using Batteryman AAA to Xyz could be pretty awesome. So basically, I think Xyz is great for the game. Easy to summon, not broken (yet), interesting resource system, and the black border is pretty nice, too. I think people are just upset that they can't be abused to as high a degree as Synchros. Gearframe 07:41, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think xyz monsters help allot of decks , especailly ones that couldn't synchro summon. They can be very easy to summon. But building a deck that is dedicated xyz summons is quite difficult , because zyz summons require you to group monsters of the same level , so you usually have to focuss on only a few different levels(like the koa'ki meru deck I use runs mostly rank 4 monsters because most koa'ki merus are level 4).Whereas in a deck dedicated to synchro summons (like my quickdraw turbo deck) the choice of monsters levels is less vague than with an xyz deck, and my synchro deck can summon level 2(formula synchron) 5,6 7, 8 and 10 monsters(shooting star dragon).

xyz montsers tend to have very powerfull effects but, are very reliant on their xyz materials , and depend on them to activate their effect. I don't think there will be any xyz monster who can use it ' effect without detaching an xyz material. I think this may be limit their power but they are of very little use once they have used up all their xyz material.

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 22:32, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

No. Simple as that, just no. There is not a single Xyz monster worth running. Damn things don't even burn nicely.97.121.185.145 (talk) 02:30, August 19, 2011 (UTC)