Forum:Apprentice Magician and D.D. Warrior Lady

Okay. Let's say I attack a face-down Apprentice Magician with D.D. Warrior Lady. If I use the effect of D.D. Warrior Lady, will Apprentice Magician's Special Summon effect still activate? Mark Mares (talk • contribs) 04:41, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice only cares about the fact that it was destroyed by battle, it doesn't need to go to the graveyard. DD Warrior Lady's effect activates after the monster is destroyed by battle, but before it goes to the graveyard. It will still activate, and it will resolve properly. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:58, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

As because of this quote; "When this card is destroyed by battle, you can Special Summon 1 Level 2 or lower Spellcaster-Type monster from your Deck in face-down Defense Position." --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 14:17, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

this feels wrong to me :/ because apprentice magician is destroyed by D.D warrior Lady's effect during substep 6 of the damage step where as Apprentice isn't destroyed by battle until substep 7 of the damage step. It clearly states both monsters specifically in the Breakdown of the Battle Phase

So when the damage step resolves Apprentice was destroyed by the effect of D.D warrior lady's effect not by battle.

But i have no way to test it in 2010 so i guess I'll just do some more research Kearowind (talk • contribs) 14:32, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Falzar still state the truth. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 14:33, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

fred have you ever even looked at sub steps of the battle phase?

i know falzar is a reliable poster i just have my doubts when you look into the inner workings. if you just skipped over my post so you could say "yeah i'm right" i don't care i have doubts and i may be wrong which is why i said i need to look into it

if falzar could further explain this to me i would appreciate it.

i am not some 12 year old who wants to say "I'm right you're wrong hahahah"

I am a judge trying to learn interactions of cards and how they work. I don't care if i am right or wrong i would like to know the specific mechanics Kearowind (talk • contribs) 14:49, January 9, 2011 (UTC).

if you read it again you should notice, that the decition if the monster is destroyed by battle is bevore substep 7. In substep 7 the monster destroyed by battle is only sent to the grave, wether or not the monster is destroyed by battle is decided in substep 4 after the damage is inflicted. -dest- (talk • contribs) 15:10, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ah thank you Dest that was what i was looking for 76.223.248.41 (talk) 18:05, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

@Fredcat: I still make mistakes every now and then...

@Kearowind: D.D. Warrior Lady just removes the monster, it doesn't destroy anything. I could try test it in WC10.

This and this were posted by well known posters at Pojo and they say you can.

However at Forum:D.D. Warrior Lady VS Apprentice Magician... Deus Ex Machina says you can't, because it was destroyed by battle, but it isn't considered to be destroyed by battle because it was removed... rather confusing imo.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:13, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

In WC10, Apprentice Magician activated from the RFP zone and special summoned a monster. It worked.

OMG Deus Ex Machina was wrong. Unless this is an OCG vs TCG thing. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:57, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

So I tried this scenario in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's World Championship 2009: Stardust Accelerator. Apprentice Magician will STILL activate the Special Summon effect. Mark Mares (talk • contribs) 02:08, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think I know when the timing of D.D. Warrior Lady occurs. It's effect activates after the monster that is selected as an attack target gets destroyed. That is, if the ATK or DEF is lower than D.D. Warrior Lady and the monster can be destroyed in battle. When I attacked the Apprentice Magician, the sprite for the Apprentice Magician got slashed and disappeared. The card was still on the field. Then the game asked if I would like to use D.D. Warrior Lady's effect. I selected Yes. Then, the card that Apprentice Magician was sitting on got destroyed and removed from play. Apprentice Magician activates and Special Summons a Spellcaster. Mark Mares (talk • contribs) 02:15, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

D:< Falzar i have figured it out you are absolutely correct. Dues is wrong sometimes XD and it could be ocg vs TCG

but it was actually as simple as D.D. Warrior Lady's wording. I forgot it just removed it not removed and destroyed >.> so yar

thanks for explaining it to me in depth it's much appreciated ^o^

Girls like me sometimes over complicate things XDD Kearowind (talk • contribs) 02:22, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Deus shouldn't have been wrong about something like this.

There must be a reason as to why he said "Even though "Apprentice Magician" was destroyed by battle, it was removed from the field by the effect of "D.D. Warrior Lady", so "Apprentice Magician" is not considered to be destroyed by battle."

I'll ask him to check it when he comes back. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:28, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think he just confused it with something like rda vs elemental searchers. Although they are destroyed by battle they are also destroyed by rdas effect (if in defense) bevore they are sent to the grave and that is why they don't activate. They must be sent to the grave due to battle destruction, not effect destruction.

Apprentice only needs to be destroyed by battle, that happens bevore dd lady can remove it or rda can destroy it with the effect. It doesn't need to be sent to the grave as a result of battle and so the condition for the effect to activate has been met "long" bevore such sings occour ;) -dest- (talk • contribs) 10:56, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, if attacked by RDA while in defense position, the effect of "Apprentice Magician" does NOT activate. It has to be sent to the grave/RFG (doesn't matter where) as a result of battle but in this case, before that could happen, he is destroyed by RDA's effect which means, it was an effect that sent it there and his effect does not activate. EDIT: Didn't quite express myself right, kinda hard to explain but the last thing to destroy him has to be a battle since his effect activates after he is removed from the field.Otakon7 (talk • contribs) 13:46, January 10, 2011 (UTC)