Forum:Barrel behind the door Q.

If you activated graverobber to take you opponent's monster reborn in his graveyard, when you activated your opponent's monster reborn, can you chain your Barrel behind the door to your opponent's monster reborn that you activated, to send the 2000 points of damage to your opponent life points? 96.44.92.186 (talk) 04:31, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

This monster reborn would normaly give 2000 point of damage to your life points when monster reborn resolve, do to the condition that graverobber give to monster reborn.96.44.92.186 (talk) 04:31, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

The 2000 effect damage comes from a "Lingering Effect" of Graverobber. The effect of Graverobber resolves completely after you have added Monster Reborn to your hand. When you activate Monster Reborn, the 2000 points of damage does not start another Chain Link. This would fall under the ruling:

Barrel Behind the Door", "Trap of Board Eraser", and similar Counter Trap cards must be activated in Chain to an effect which inflicts damage. If the effect of a Spell, Trap, or Effect Monster Card like "Spell Chronicle", "Curse of Darkness", or "Fire Princess" would inflict damage but does not start a Chain, then you cannot activate a card like "Barrel Behind the Door"  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 05:34, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Why does prime material dragon can convert lingering effect that gives damage to life points, while barriel behind the door can't convert the damage to the opponent? And by the way in this situation above the ligering effect does start a chain, the chain is started by monster reborn.96.44.92.186 (talk) 13:37, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

The effect of Prime Material Dragon is applied as long as it is on the field all damage to your LP is converted. The Barrel Behind the Door has to be chained to the effect that is trying to inflict damage. That means the effect has to start a Chain Link.

The effect of Monster Reborn does start a Chain Link but the effect of Graverobber that is trying to inflict damage is a Lingering Effect. It doesn't start a Chain Link.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 13:51, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hide Head Turtle: Graverobber gives a condition to monster reborn, and because of this it is not treated as an effect so that it is why barriel behind the door cannot be chain to monster reborn. If graverobber would really give a lingering effect, it would apply after the card resolve, which would mean it would cause a win instead of a tie in this previous post. Forum:Graverobber video game problem - Yu-Gi-Oh! 96.44.92.186 (talk) 14:14, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Please read the Lingering Effect page.

"A Lingering Effect is any effect that resolves after the card itself has resolved, and has been sent to the Graveyard."

Graverobber's real effect activated and resolved and you sent it to the Graveyard. The damage that's trying to be inflicted is from a Lingering Effect that doesn't activate, nor does it start a Chain.

Conditions are a completely different thing in YGO terminology. Graverobber doesn't give Monster Reborn the "condition" to inflict damage.

The Chain is built in this way:

Chain Link 1: You activate Monster Reborn targeting a monster to Special Summon.

You can't chain Barrel Behind the Door to the effect of Monster Reborn because it doesn't inflict damage. Next, resolve the Chain.

Chain Link 1: You Special Summon a monster from the Graveyard. You lose 2000 LP from the "Lingering Effect" of Graverobber.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 14:25, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hide head turtle : If I have 2000 life points and my opponent have 800 life points, and I take ookazi from my opponent's graveyard with graverobber, after that I activated ookazi, would I win, or would it result in a draw?96.44.92.186 (talk) 15:24, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Build the Chain:

Chain Link 1: You activate Ookazi.

Resolve the Chain:

Chain Link 1: Ookazi inflicts 800 points of damage to your opponent. You lose 2000 LP due to the "Lingering Effect" of Graverobber.

The duel ends in a draw.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 15:30, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

I got one more proof that graverobber gives condition instead of lingering effect, if your opponent negate the activation of monster reborn that you receive from graverobber, you do not take the 2000 points of damage, if it wasn't a condition you would still take the damage even if monster reborn as it's activation negated. The only time that graverobber gives lingering effect would be in this example:

It is you turn: You have double spell in your hand, your plan his to activated double spell to activated monster reincarnation in your opponent's graveyard, you have no spell card to discard for double spell, however you have a set graverobber ready to use, you activated graverobber to take monster reborn from your opponent's graveyard(doesn't have to be monster reborn). After that you activated double spell by discarding monster reborn, in this case you take the 2000 points of damage before double spell activation is complete. And also in this situation prime material dragon would fail to converted the damage into life points.96.44.92.186 (talk) 16:05, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Since the activation of Monster Reborn was negated, you failed to activate the Spell Card and thus you don't lose 2000 LP.

If you used the Spell Card that you've gotten via the effect of Graverobber to pay for a cost, you will lose LP. At that time, Prime Material Dragon should still convert the 2000 damage into LP gain.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 16:51, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

No matter what is it, Graverobber doesn't add extra eff for the Spell, but it infict damage by itself.--Lê (talk • contribs) 16:56, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

It is a situation like BKSS. 96.44.92.186 (talk) 17:14, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Graverobber is an old card with a weird card text and weird rulings.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 17:16, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

I found weird ruling on skull invitation refering to exodia:

OCG: When you have 300 Life Points and activates "Graceful Charity" while "Skull Invitation" is active, if you have "Exodia the Forbidden One"/"Right Arm of the Forbidden One"/"Left Arm of the Forbidden One"/"Right Leg of the Forbidden One"/"Left Leg of the Forbidden One" in your hand after "Graceful Charity" resolves, then you immediately win the Duel before resolving the effect of "Skull Invitation".

TCG: if you draw the final piece of "Exodia" with "Graceful Charity" and have all 5 pieces of "Exodia" in your hand after discarding, you win the Duel even if the damage resulting from "Skull Invitation" would reduce your Life Points to 0.

So based on the ruling above should this situation with graverobber result like this example:

OCG: Opponent as 800 life point, and I have 2000 life point, I activated graverobber, taking my opponent ookazi, and after that I activated ookazi, my opponent loss 800 points making is life points 0, according to the ruling above I win the duel in this situation because the lingering effect of graverobber did not applied.

TCG: Opponent as 800 life point, and I have 2000 life point, I activated graverobber, taking my opponent ookazi, and after that I activated ookazi, my opponent loss 800 points making is life points 0, according to the ruling above graverobber lingering effect still applies resulting in a draw.

My question his, should Graverobber behave like this situation above in OCG, base on the OCG ruling of Exodia and Skull invitation shown above?96.44.92.186 (talk) 04:11, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

You should read this: Winning in a Chain.

1. The first situation is correct. The effect of Graceful Charity resolves first and if it you have all of the Exodia pieces by then, you win the duel before the effect of Skull Invitation is applied.

2. The OCG and TCG ruling you found basically said the same thing. Have all pieces of Exodia after the effect of Graceful Charity has resolved, win the duel before you lose LP from Skull Invitation.

The effect of Skull Invitation is applied when the cards are sent to the Graveyard. After the cards are sent to the Graveyard. The cards are sent to the Graveyard after the Chain has fully resolved.

The Lingering Effect of Graverobber doesn't start a new Chain. There are no OCG/TCG ruling contradictions here.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 05:07, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I should have look at the page on skull invitation. TCG unofficial ruling from UDE is badly worded, they add more information that was not necessary.96.44.92.186 (talk) 12:29, June 13, 2012 (UTC)