Forum:Future of Xyz

Does anyone think that the game may soon be dominated by Xyz, just like how Synchros dominate the game now? Neos01 (talk • contribs) 09:59, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not too sure about that. Xyz monsters have their abilities limited by the Xyz Materials they have, which makes them less gamebreaking than Synchros. Not to mention Monster Reborning them is almost pointless since they get revived powerless. Their splashability makes up a bit for it since a Deck no longer needs to go out of its way to squeeze in proper Tuners. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 13:07, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Not really, Rescue Rabbit will definitly have something to do with it if it does but otherwise people will be running Roach, Utopia, Maybe Chaos Ray, Leviathan, Tirus (the Genesis guy), Ardues (The Armageddon guy) and Gem Knight Pearl when he hits America/ The TCG. It's more of a what's a worthy staple to go into that won't give you much problems for bringing it out.

164.106.228.253 (talk) 13:08, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. This format was made for Rescue Rabbit and Evolkaiser Lagia to dominate. Other than that, no-Dark Worlds can Xyz Summon but the best decks are still Synchro decks in general. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 18:17, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Even if Xyz Monsters are going to dominate, we still have Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon to make them useless.--70.79.73.202 (talk) 21:36, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure they'll be as quickly replaced by something new before they can really show some form of potential much like Fusion monsters were with Synchros and Synchros are on the path to now. 71.17.187.75 (talk) 22:57, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

What people don't understand is that Synchro Monsters still are the most important part of most top decks (or at least, mostly the End Goals). They're still fine. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 22:59, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take an example for Agents, the newer version of the deck Xyz Summon Gachi, quickly to gain raw ATK power, plus a monster that's indestructible, cool right? But if you happen to draw a Shine Ball into your opening hand, Gachi isn't as good, because you're left with a weak monster, this becomes the perfect time to Xyz 1 Gachi and Synchro a level 6 monster like Brionac, and attack for a possible 3400, not counting a Hyperion. Perfect example of a mix. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:03, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention that Grapha + Gate of the Dark World, Lagia can't stop the spell if its on the field, and Grapha's destruction effect activates in the grave. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:07, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The introduction of xyz montsers does not mean , xyz monster will be become dominant over synchro montsers. Xyz montsers do not mean synchros monsters are weak, rather it is the xyz montsers that seem to be dependant on synchro montsers. The xyz montsers are usally limited by there xyz materials. Very few of the xyz monster effects are actually that game breaking. Synchro monsters usaully have better effects and no limitation to the amount of times their effect can be used. The only real advantage xyz monsters seem to have is that they are easier to summon. Another issue with xyz montsers is they have very low attack . Even the higher rank xyz monsters dont seem to have much more attack than the lower ranked xyz montser. Rank 4 Utopia has 2500 attack, and rank 7 Big eye only has 2600 attack. Another example is thunder end dragon who is rank 8 with 3000 attack, and number 30 acid golem who is rank 3 and has 3000 attack. I think the attack of xyz monsters is rather inconsistent. And the higher ranked xyz monster don't seem to have much more attack than there level counterparts.

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 13:20, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Observation: Once you go over 2400 ATK, the ATK increase on mostly played monsters tapers towards 2800. This makes any slight ATK boost significant in beating out whatever beatstick the original card couldn't trump before. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 15:52, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Second Observation: Do note that Acid Golem is another of them Golem series - sheer power and easy Summon condition for a horribly crippling side effect. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 15:52, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I guess the only thing we can do is wait and see. I believe that the potential for Xyz to dominate is there, only that its probably too soon to say seeing as they were only introduced recently. There're a lot of Xyz staples that decks seem to run nowadays, such as utopia and leviar, so maybe the potential is there. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 19:43, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

There are only a few really good Xyz monsters out there right now in the TCG: Utopia, Gachi Gachi, and Leviair. Leviathan is good because of Tour Guide, while Roach generally is overhyped, although it can win you the game at key times (but with Rai-Oh becoming much more common it's too vulnerable to destruction in battle). BF2 Talk Deck Guides 20:37, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty much with Neos01 on this. They have potential to be very good. You have to remember, many people didn't think a whole lot of Synchros when they were first released. Now look. Now that many have been released along with a sufficient amount of Tuners (which were few and far between at first), they have became extremely good. Synchros are just now at their prime as of last format, which was better than this one for decks that Synchro Summoned a lot. When we get more cards like Rescue Rabbit that make Xyz Summons even easier with some more good Xyz Monsters, Xyz MAY be able to dominate over Synchros. That said, some decks already focus on Xyz as one of their main function and don't Synchro hardly at all. Take Dark World for example. In addition to being able to summon Rank 5's with ease, they also use Tour Guide and either Broww or Sangan to summon Leviair, then bring back a monster removed by Gate. From there, they can bounce it for Grapha and reuse it's effect if it's a Dark World card, or use it for another Xyz, even another Leviair! This can create long turns sometimes and causes the deck to function smoothly. There is also the ever present Rabbit Laggia builds. You know the drill on this one. :P All I'm saying is that they have potential to trump Synchro monsters as the key cards of deck, maybe sometime in the near future. Who knows, there may be 1 card somewhere out there that will make the difference... Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 10:57, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Amen to that Synchro Maniac10. I couldn't have put it better myself. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 11:59, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think decks which can alternate between xyz summoning and sychro summoning (maybe even fusion) are good , although you hav to pick the xyzs and sychros that have good effects, good stats, easy to, summon. I also think the extra deck limit should be increased. I find building an extra deck with only 15 cards very difficult. Maybe they change it 20, or allow 15 sychros, 15 xyzs and 15 fusions. Also Blade Armor Ninja is an extremyly good xyz monster for warrior decks, summon it then choose itself for it's effect to attack twice, either getting rid of 2 annoying montsers or 2 directs attacks for 4400 damage.

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 12:23, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt they will increase the Extra deck limit. It used to have no limit, but now that we have BETTER things, why would they make it bigger? Just be more tactical with what you up in.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 12:29, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah they won't change it. You're only supposed to pick cards that help you or are useful. No reason to include say a Rank 7 Xyz if you don't have any level 7s in the deck. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 13:00, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Is there a list of extra decks cards that are staples, like trishula , stardust dragon and utopia?

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 20:26, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

They will not increase the Extra Deck limit. They'd have to Semi-Limit and Limit cards like Stardust Dragon and Scrap Dragon. Also, mixing Synchro and Xyz really isn't that good in the best of decks-splashing in a Utopia or a Leviathan/Leviair might work, but otherwise, not worthwhile. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:00, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

I've been observing a currently Duel Terminal-exclusive Xyz Monster: Lavalval Chain. Its effects are amazing:

1. It can either act as a double Foolish Burial that also affects Spell/Trap Cards...
2. ...or it can easily search powerful and hard-to-search monsters like "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning". If you use a card like Upstart Goblin or Allure of Darkness, you can instantly have that monster in your hand!

The only problem is that it has low ATK for a rank 4 Xyz Monster. It can be easily destroyed by battle by other rank 4 Xyz Monsters that are commonly used like Steelswarm Roach or Number 39: Utopia. But with these effects, can this card be game-breaking? Samurai Bruxo^{Discussão/Talk} 16:45, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 17:18, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm suprised that no one has mentioned the use of Archfiend's Oath . I also noticed that this card is great for putting exodia pieces at the top of the deck, specail summon summoner monks and you can control when you get exodia peices

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 19:49, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think that Lavalval Chain will become a staple if released outside Duel Terminal. Also, do you think that it can be the first Xyz to hit the banlists? Samurai Bruxo^{Discussão/Talk} 18:27, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

No.It's nowhere near the banlist.That's the good thing about XYZ's. They were careful(weren't so desperate) and made them plainly good.Not Goyo and DSF and Brio Broken..just good.So there isn't something that will be hit by a banlist yet.Laggia and Soldde seem to be the best xyz's and they would get at best a semi-limitation.Anything more is kinda dumb.Even semi'ing them is dumb.And it's not like any build would play 3 of each.So yeah the banlist will be XYZ-free for a while... S4suk3g13 (talk • contribs) 01:54, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

meant dolkka not solde sorryS4suk3g13 (talk • contribs) 02:53, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering that if egyptian god cards has become is consider as an old school card, then in the future of yugioh!, synchro monster will become old school monster, for synchro fans, most of them still cant give up on synchro monster no matter which type of monster released in future. I was thinking, will people give up synchro and play xyz monster or other kind of monster that will release in future, because shooting quasar dragon, shooting star dragon, stardust dragon, brionac, red nova dragon, blackrose dragon, scrap dragon, thrishula, T.G. Hyper librarian, Formula Synchron, Ally of Justice Catastor, are consider the best synchro monster for most synchro player...