Forum:Nordic\Beast deck

Ok so I wanna get some people on here's thoughts on this deck, I've got a lot of feedback from duellists from my area and Tournaments as well as played it against a lot of decks and it seems to work a lot better than the Nordic decks listed on this Wiki but either way I want to know what people here think of it and if they think it's good add it to the Nordics page, as seriously that page needs more ways to use Nordics added to it, I'm not saying get rid of the decks already suggested there but more options for starting Nordics player would be very nice.

Deck List:

So that's the deck, it's primarily designed to be a major face down deck, so that if someone attacks you whatever happens you'll either end up with tokens on your side on the field(Tanngrisnir), one of your opponents cards will be destroyed(Ryko) or you end up with more monsters yourself (Sangan, Tanngnjostr and the Hamster for monsters and Miracle's Wake and Broken Blocker for Traps). It may seem like it runs high when it comes to card count but due to the summoning power behind it I've found that it balances out nicely and thanks to it summoning power it's not uncommon for me to be able to get 2 gods out in one turn. You'll notice as well that there's a lot of destruction stoppers in there as well, March Towards, Starlight, My Body and even Gungnir as I've found that the biggest problem with the gods isn't keeping them coming back from the graveyard but having them removed from play altogether and it's because of that I put in such a high amount of destruction stoppers. I added Ryko for a number of reasons first is his obvious card destruction effect but also because he's a level 2 beast who can be used in a lot of ways, you can tune him with Guldfaxe and Hamster to make Thor or change around the Hamster to one of the goats to make Trishula, hell you can even just summon him when Guldfaxe is on the field to make Brionac. So overall he's been one of the best adds to the deck. On to the other two needed monsters of Morphing Jar and Sangan. Morphing Jar is a no brainer as he's able to refill your hand faster and more effectively than any other card and Sangan because aside from Guldfaxe every single monster in the deck can be searched for.

Right I think that's everything I can think of so far, every other card there should be self explanatory, so feel free to pick apart the deck or if you're part of the Duel Network or have WC2011 on your DS please try it out. ^_^

The FireFALL (talk • contribs) 01:31, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Take out Bait Doll (worse than MST), add Mystical Space Typhoon. Take out My Body as a Shield, add in Forbidden Lance. Take out March Towards Ragnarok (terrible), add Mystical Space Typhoon. Take out Miracle's Wake (bad), add in Bottomless Trap Hole or Solemn Warning. Take out Nordic Relic Gungnir (not very good), add Torrential Tribute, Trap Dustshoot, and Starlight Road. Take out Broken Blocker (situational) and one Divine Relic Mjollnir (situational), add Tour Guide From the Underworld. Take out the other Mjollnir, add Book of Moon. Take out Valkyrie of the Nordic Ascendant (situational), add Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning and Gorz the Emissary of Darkness. Take out Dark Bribe, add in Starlight Road. That should fix the consistency and add power. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 18:18, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

As for your Extra Deck: Take out a Red Dragon Archfiend, add Stardust Dragon. Take out the other, add Scrap Archfiend. Take out a Thor, Lord of the Aesir, add T.G. Hyper Librarian. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 18:19, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Dunno about dropping RDA entirely, but, yeah, Scrap Dragon if you can afford it. Looks good, though 3 Tanngrisnir seems excessive. 207.233.120.2 (talk) 18:43, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Red Dragon Archfiend isn't a staple anymore-it's good, but Scrap Dragon and Stardust Dragon are far better. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:00, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok so now time for me to give some feedback of my own. First off I have ditched one RDA but that's because I needed to replace one of my synchros with the Wind-Up Zenmaister who's working nicely so far in the deck. Next up why would I ever want to run Tour Guide From the Underworld? To summon the single Sangan in the deck O.o? It's not like I could even synchro with them and I don't run any lvl3 XYZs so to me this is just a very silly suggestion for an add. Again I say that Broken Blocker NEEDS to be in this deck and to say it's situational is just silly. A lot of people run Pots of Avarice and they're situational so should people not run them as well? No, of course they should run them because while situational they work and it's the same with Broken Blocker. 8 out of the 21 monsters in the deck can be used with Broken Blocker more than enough to justify running it. Plus it's a way to special summon monsters when you can't special summon with your monsters card effects, for instance on Friday at a tournament I managed to win a match against a skill drain deck because I used Broken Blocker to do my special summoning and brought out Odin thanks to it, so removing them from the deck is not only out of the question but is just a very bad decision overall. Same goes for Miracle's Wake, it can be used a million different ways in the Nordic deck, from resummoning Tanngnjostr in defence during the opponent's 2nd main phase meaning in most cases with this deck that a god will hit the field next turn, or to resummoning a hamster to go with the Ryko you summoned with the Hamster originally and then using them both together to tune with Guldfaxe, or even summoning the big monster you just destroyed with one of your gods. Hell it doesn't even need to be big, I stole a Treeborn Frog using it's effect to stop my opponent from summoning a monarch against me the next turn and killed him because of it. So in no way is Miracle's Wake a 'bad' card especially for Nordics. Getting rid of the Gungnirs strikes all kinds of alarm bells in my head and not in a good way. In fact it was this sentence that made most of my friends go 'WTH?' when they read it.

Gungnir may well be the best card in the deck thanks to it's very varied uses, it can save your gods from being returned to the hand or removed from play, it can eliminate key cards from the field and thanks to the fact that your monster 'returns' when it re-enters the field from removed from play no one can bottomless them. To remove them for a Torrential Tribute, Trap Dustshoot, and Starlight Road is just plain ridiculous. For one thing Torrential Tribute in this deck serves no purpose, the last thing you want to be doing is killing your own cards via your own effects. Trap Dustshoot serves no purpose at all in the deck other than just being an 'add on' card and having another Starlight Road when there is only one Stardust in the extra deck is pointless and will most likely just give you a dud draw later on in the duel. On the subject of removing monsters removing one Tanngrisnir and both Valkyrie has me literally scratching my head. Tanngrisnir is a very vital part of the deck and removing one of him would just limit your summoning ability and Valkyrie while having an effect which usually sees Odin hit a trap hole can still synchro with any level 3 or 4 to make a quick Brionac or Catastor and again with Broken Blocker used on the Hamster you can then synchro out Odin that way. So yeah she doesn't deserve to be on three but she runs very well on two. For the two monsters to add in their place Gorz and Envoy, I have to say Envoy is a good add and one I've been considering since his return but I've played with Gorz in the deck before and honestly he just doesn't work in a Nordic deck as there was something on the field so I removed him long ago. Thor stays at three for one reason, I've brought all three out multiple times now, even to the point when before I ran three I had to ask opponents if they minded if I swapped a Loki for a third Thor during the duel and in fact if there was any card I'd change for a T.G Hyper Librarian it would be Zeman the Ape King as so far he's the synchro I use the least in battle. Also one RDA stays as it's actually the synchro I summon most aside from the gods as it usually provides me with a clean field to do direct attacks with my gods.

Right this is getting rather long so I'll try and round up the last few cards you suggested. Another Starlight Road, see previous comment about it, in place of a Dark Bribe. Dark Bribe is still better as it has a larger range of uses for it compared to Starlight Road. Two MSTs for the March Towards and Bait Doll, the deck already has enough card destruction power without needing MSTs. March Towards is useful for stopping bottomlesses, even more so than MSTs as they can't activate their traps against it and if they have more than one trap on the field MST might miss the trap hole but it is also very true that Forbidden Lance is a far better card so the March Towards will be changed with that, and perhaps when Deep Dark Trap Hole is out I'll add a another one. Bait Doll is useful in seeing their spells and traps as well as destroying them and being put back in the deck and forcing a solemn is a brilliant more, well worth it's weight in gold against an MST. Take out the extra Mjollnir, it is in fact already taken out. Tournament experience on Friday alerted me quickly that only one was needed but it is still very much needed the other one. Book of Moon I removed due to the amount of cards I was running, with a Mjollnir gone it's been readded. My Body as a Shield while a brilliant card has really had much use so I'm gonna side deck it rather then remove it entirely and put two warnings in it's place now that they're entering tin status.

Adding anymore Stardusts or a Scrap Dragon is also out of the question. Stardusts are nice and all but destruction effects are something which I really don't worry about in this deck. The only thing that Stardust would be useful for would be Bottomlesses, otherwise that I want my Nordics to hit the graveyard so why stop the destruction effects? Scrap Dragon I have run for a time as well and again it's not very useful, yes you can kill a tuner to get a tuner into your graveyard with it but if you need to get a tuner into you graveyard via any other way aside from synchroing or Ryko's effect then you're not playing the deck right.

So in summary of what I've now changed. RDA and Zeman were removed for a Wind Up Zenmaister and T.G Hyper Librarian. The two My Body's were sidedecked for two warnings. The March Towards is now a Forbidden Lance, one Mjollnir was taken out for Book of Moon and finally an Envoy of the End was added.

Also just so you guys know what this deck is capable of here a list of the deck types it's killed so far. Skill Drain deck, Wind-Ups, Naturias, Dragons, Frog Monarchs, Scrap Stun, Karakuris, Dinosaurs, Ice Barrier and other Nordics.

It's only fallen to T.Gs, Blackwings, Six Samurais and Dragunity.

So overall it's only really falling to the top tier lot. Not bad if I do say so myself. The FireFALL (talk • contribs) 05:15, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you really don't get it. Stardust Dragon is amazing. Scrap Dragon is even better. You really really don't get it. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 12:52, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

What doesn't he get? I'll take a crack at it.

"Torrential Tribute" is good for killing lots of your opponent's monsters at once for cheap. If you don't want to kill your own monsters, save it for later when you don't have any. It can save you from many lethal things.

"Starlight Road" is a good card. However, running just one means that you will probably not have it when you can use it, unless you are very lucky. The increase is just for consistency.

The differences between "Broken Blocker"/"Miracle's Wake" and "Pot of Avarice" are that

1. in a Deck that should use PoA, it should not be situational at all--the Graveyard is stocked immediately--and
2. you can use PoA as soon as you draw it, on an empty field.

"Broken Blocker" and "Miracle's Wake" are both dead draws late-game, particularly if you don't have monsters or your opponent is attacking multiple times each turn. Ideally, you would protect yourself so you don't have to lose your monsters, and possibly get something out of it, like with "Dimensional Prison".

"Nordic Relic Gungnir" is neat, but, again, depends on having a monster to banish. 2 is an acceptable number. "Mjollnir" is not modular at all, and will be useless 9 times out of 10. Same with "March Towards Ragnarok".

"Tour Guide" thins your Deck and gives you a free "Leviair the Sea Dragon" or "#17".

The effect of "Valkyrie" is almost never going to be used. You are better off with "Junk Synchron".

Your opponent deserves to lose if you ever brought 3 "Thor" out. You are fighting piles of rags.

"Dark Bribe" is much-maligned in competitive circles because you lose 1 card and your opponent loses 0. Granted, you might stop a "Solemn Warning" or "Dark Hole", but you haven't cost your opponent any advantage and they usually draw something useful.

"Stardust Dragon" is good for stopping your opponent from killing all your guys at once, stomping on your face, and Warning you when you try to mount a defense.

"Scrap Dragon" is good for killing your opponent's cards, and also has lots of ATK. You can shoot "Gleipnir" at a giant monster your opponent controls and chain the effect, for a net advantage of +1. You can turn some useless Set card into a guided missile. RDA is the inferior card, only able to destroy monsters and with a wicked drawback for a Set-heavy Deck like this.

That's all I got.

ur so rong n00b ive beeten a blak wing! Designless Square (talk • contribs)

First up "Hell it doesn't even need to be big, I stole a Treeborn Frog using it's effect to stop my opponent from summoning a monarch against me the next turn and killed him because of it"

Miracle's Wake says " ...destroyed by battle and sent to your Graveyard during this turn"

Anyway

Based on the above comments, I'd maybe have you consider something like this?

Something like that might be worth trying, 1 point about scrap dragon, is that you can chain the card you use it on your side of the field, IE: Gleipnir, MST,

MST removes threats in advance, instead of having to lure them out,

Starlight, Like Broken Blocker, needs to be drawn as early as possible, so it's usable, while if it's drawn later it's got a higher chance of being dead,

Apart from that, it's just thined out of some of the more situational cards,

How does that look to you? (Though I would suggest dropping one of the Thor's, but your choice :p)

-Resk (✩)( ☯) 21:13, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Needs Reborn Tengu and another Horn. That'll make profit. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:18, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'd run tengu, but they don't seem to want it, I edit to help people with decks they like, not always make them as competitive as possible :p, Else I'd have just linked him to a netdeck

-Resk (✩)( ☯) 21:21, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

-2 Valkyrie, -2 Ryko. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:26, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

First off thanks Resk for pointing out the 'your' on the Miracle's Wake card, played the card in tournaments and no one had yet pointed that out, didn't know I'd been misplaying it all this time. Still it's one card I've never had been a dead draw and combined with Tanngrisnir, it has the ability to stop multiple attacks. Also with the advice from you I'm not going to add T.G Hyper Librarian and go for Scrap Dragon instead, I hadn't yet thought to combine it's effect with Gungnirs. Now I have it's going in the deck. Reborn Tengu is a nice card I have to admit, it would be easy to bring out the Zenmaister or Odin with it but sadly at £30 for three of them I can't afford to add them ATM. I still wouldn't add MSTs over Gungnirs due to the fact that Gungnir can target all cards on the field over MSTs spell and traps. March Towards and My body as a Shield have already been removed from the deck as they really weren't working anyway. In terms of how the deck plays late game all I have to say about that is that if you've not got at least one God on the field by that point then you might as well scoop, so drawing a broken blocker then is no big deal. Also if I was going to drop one God for a Leviair it would be Loki over Thor as the only way to summon him is with Vanadis and honestly everyone would pick Odin over Loki anyday to summon from Vanadis. Bait Doll is seeing a lot of use on the London Circuit in place of an MST as it's reusable and the only way to really kill is to use it on a Dark Bribe or Solemn Judgement.

Anyway thanks for the help guys on the deck got a few good pointers from this and that'll do me nicely. Now can someone please update the Nordic page so that it actually has a fully working Nordic deck on it :P The FireFALL (talk • contribs) 02:10, September 20, 2011 (UTC)