Forum:What happens when staple cards get banned

You know, i've been thinking. If staple cards get on the list of the Forbidden section, what other cards could replace them? Would you rather use Double Cyclone in place of Mystical Space Typhoon? (kinda obvious though) LastMinute (talk • contribs) 06:37, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

I can't imagine many, if any of the true staple cards becoming banned like "Bottomless Trap Hole" etc. It would have a huge impact on the game. But, yeah, I can only assume that the current staples would be replaced with others. But, if that staple affected a deck quite severely, then I would imagine players would switch to a new deck where the usual staples may not be required. An "Ojama" deck for example has "Ojama Delta Hurricane!!" to compensate for "Dark Hole" and "Heavy Storm" if they ever gets banned.

It can at times happen, for example with Trap Dustshoot. I personally, feel the card is a staple when not banned. But when it gets banned, you move on, and replace it with another card, like Mirror Force. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 13:14, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

How can you add second copy of "Mirror Force" if you already have 1 in your deck? Joke beside, "Mirror Force" is a good explain but also "Torrential Tribute" and several other cards that are Semi-Limited can be reintroduce back to the deck. --iFredCat 13:22, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Keep in mind that cards like "Dark Hole" and "Monster Reborn" have been forbidden in the past. And if most of our staples did get banned, we'd work around it. We now have "Night Beam" for example, and "Dimension Slice". Personally, if we lost a good amount of our staples I think I'd run "Gravekeepers" again. Djjomon (talk • contribs) 13:24, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, it was back in old format, also going for "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning", which he was forbidden longer. --iFredCat 13:48, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

It might be a good thing for the staples to get banned. The archetypes are broken enough without the need for cards like Monster Reborn. That card's just stupid. Honestly, there really isn't anything else that I could see getting banned from the staples. IF Dark Hole got banned, that would be really interesting though. Trak0don (talk • contribs) 14:18, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

The archetypes might be "broken", but that isn't a reason to ban good staples, just hit the Archtype instead. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 17:01, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

@Fred, I meant if you didn't run Force. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 17:01, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Simple, you replace them with cards that can replace the effects. Example: Dark Hole gets banned, I'll throw in Lightning Vortex. Sure, it only destroys face ups and it discards a card from the hand, but you can still make a comeback by destroying 3 face up monsters with high attacks and ridiculous effects. Another one is Heavy Storm and Mystical. If both got banned, I'd run Malevolt Catastrophe and Night Beam. Catastrophe only works on an attack, but has the exact same effect. Night Beam destroys face downs only but prevents chaining. If Monster Reborn got banned, I'd use Call of the Haunted or depending on the deck type, Iron Call for machines, Limit Reverse for synchro decks. It's easy to replace staples and make new ones. 173.165.86.6 (talk) 21:36, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Not really, We just kind of stop using them and fill the space with cards to make the deck run faster instead of staples. No one used L.V. when Dark Hole was banned lol.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 14:05, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

If Konami has cards like double cyclone and Storm, why are they still keeping Mystical Space Typhoon and Heavy Storm?

Also, what would you use in place of Solemn Warning and Judgement? LastMinute (talk • contribs) 05:16, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Konami will keep heavy storm and MST, because Double Cyclone and Storm are just bad cards. Think about it: MST kills 1 card, usually the opponent's card, that is a 1 for 1 play. You lose MST and your opponent loses a Spell or Trap they control, that;s fair, right? Heavy Storm is the same, except that when played correctly, can score you huge pluses, but that's mostly the opponent's fault for being careless, and betting everything on 3-4 set cards.

But Double Cyclone on the other hand, isn't fair, because you lose Cyclone and another card you control, and your opponent only loses 1 card, that's not very fair, is it? Same thing with Storm, you lose cards - Storm, then you can kill only the cards that were destroyed by storm, so in the end you ALWAYS take a -1 when using these cards, only a few decks can play around them, but there aren't any that are good.

---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 21:32, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

The best cards to replace Heavy and MST would be Giant Trunade and Twister, really. If you want to look at traps that do the same thing, look at Dust Tornado and Malevolent Catastrophe, but they need to be set, and make you wait a turn to be more aggressive, which kinda ruins some point of destroying spell and traps, so you can attack safely or win the duel on your turn. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 21:36, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Solemn Warning could be replaced by Bottomless Trap Hole, or other cards that respond to a summon, and Solemn Judgement is amazing (Kinda hard to replace), and the only thing that kinda competes is Dark Bribe, I guess. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 21:38, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ace, trunade is banned and Twister only destroys face-ups so that fails--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 08:19, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Aw man, hate Bottomless Trap Hole. Its condition is too easy to get. I mean, if you wanted to make a comeback, most people would usually summon a monster with high ATK to gain some advantage. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 19:03, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

It opens up some free space in your deck to use different cards. Hell, if Dark Hole and Heavy Storm were rebanned, I could fit Dojo back into my Samurai deck.

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 16:12, June 8, 2012 (UTC)