Forum:Why is Advanced Ritual Art on the limited list?

As I was going through the ritual monsters, checking all of them, they all say, "This monster can only be ritual summoned with the Ritual Spell, '*corresponding ritual spell*' or that it must be a 'Gishki' Ritual spell.

Except one.

Relinquished.

As Advanced Ritual Art is a Ritual Spell, that means Advanced Ritual Art and Contract with the Abyss can only summon Relinquished, if this effect is read correctly. Also, that makes Earth Chant a completely useless card, as Relinquished is a Dark monster and Earth Chant's effect states, . I know the people I have asked previous say they just summon the Ritual Monsters with Advanced Ritual Art regardless, but this would technically be an illegal maneuver, wouldn't it?

So, my question is:

1. Yes, Relinquished is a good card, but as it's the only Ritual monster that can be summoned with Advanced Ritual Art

2. If we are indeed following the rules as stated on the card text of the Ritual Monsters that state the only Ritual Spell allowed for Ritual Monsters is its proper one

3. Then why is Advanced Ritual Art, which can only summon Relinquished and only by sending an exactly one-star normal monster from the deck to the graveyard as per the cost, listed under limited?

4. If you don't believe me, check these pages please. I am citing this own wiki to prove my point with these following pages.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Ritual_Monsters http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Ritual_Spell_Cards http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Advanced_Ritual_Art http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Contract_with_the_Abyss http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Chant

To be noted, none of the Ritual Monsters or Spells specifically state say that Advanced Ritual Art, Earth Chant, or Contract with the Abyss that these can be substituted out for any Ritual Spell, only that they can be used to summon a Ritual Monster, in summary, specifically meaning they are replacements for the rather common Ritual spells, but it is the Ritual Monsters that block the application of these cards. —This unsigned comment was made by 71.89.85.125 (talk • contribs) 18:06, October 23, 2011

It's limited not because of those stuff you were mentioning... it's because it can help target Demise and milling any bunch of Normal Monsters from Deck to the Graveyard to summon him easily. It's greatly to save hand and reduced the deck, thinning it, -2 cards from deck, etc. I do believe the reason why you explained it very well, but you're just missing the point about other Ritual Monsters, like the one I gave out an explanation. And btw, if you're respond in Talk Page or Discussion, be sure to tapping four tildes at end of your comments - it will automatic sign your username and date whenever you hit Publish Button, k? Thank you. --FredCat 18:11, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

You have it ALL WRONG. ARA can summon anything, Relinquished just omits it's summon condition due to space. It's limited because Demise, King of Armageddon (who can be summoned with this card) would become too powerful.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 18:26, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

When you check a page, CHECK EVERYTHING. according to you these are wrong, and they aren't.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 18:30, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Just like the others said ARA can be used for any ritual and it is really deadly with demise because of the OTK. its not a readily used OTK but it is still devastating. If you are unaware of it it goes ARA for demise ditching 2 insects, activate demise effect to clear field, banish 2 insects to special doom dozer, and lastly activate megamorph. GAME OVER Magicsbetter;) (talk • contribs) 20:15, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

You guy... just explained what I already explained... --FredCat 20:16, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's because of Demise, King of Armageddon. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 00:24, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Shut the hell up, BF2, I already mentioned it and that user who created this didn't respond for a while. So stop say the obviously thing I already answered! it just make us all look foolish... --FredCat 00:41, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Keep discussion civil. Yes, I am watching.

--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:13, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

third third time was unnecessary, but no one can understand you Fred!!! we have to repeat you.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 01:58, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

To take a slightly different approach to the question, all Ritual Monsters state "This card can only be Ritual Summoned with...(insert name of Ritual Spell here)". The wording here is actually wrong. The listed Ritual Spell is not the only card that can Ritual Summon the monster. According to the Rulings, Advanced Ritual Art, Earth Chant and Contract with the Abyss can be used as well. Perhaps a more appropriate wording would be "You can use (insert name of Ritual Spell here) to Ritual Summon this card." Once you get past the wording problem, the answer to your question is obvious. Battlemaniac (talk • contribs) 10:29, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if this will add a reply or not; I was the one who asked the original question but just made account about three minutes ago or so. Anyways, the main reason I asked was because I was called out in an amateur's tournament for using Advanced Ritual Art on Performance of Sword; pretty much blew part of my major strategy there. And is this an official ruling or is it just a general acceptance of users so that the cards aren't useless?—This unsigned comment was made by Sparky Muse (talk • contribs) 13:53, October 25, 2011

No, it's an official ruling. Despite their card text, Ritual Monsters do not need their specific Ritual Spell to be Summoned. Your move was perfectly legal. Battlemaniac (talk • contribs) 16:03, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm.... well, I haven't seen it listed as an official ruling anywhere yet, so until I do I'm going to keep playing as if Advanced Ritual Art can only be played on Relinquished, else others may call me out on attempting to cheat again, and this is something I strongly wish to avoid. It's also funny to me that Earth Chant is the possibly only useless card if you're running by rulings, and it explains why they didn't make one similar to it or Contract with the Abyss for any of the other attributes.

You don't seem to understand - people have won tournaments and championships using Advanced Ritual Art to get out Demise, King of Armageddon. It works for every Ritual Monsters. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 01:26, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Why is this still being discussed. Advanced Ritual Art works on all rituals, thins the deck, you don't lose advantage for ritual cost, and it pretty much ignores the whole "This Ritual can only be used with this Ritual Spell." That's why it's limited, spheal with it. Adamtheamazing64 (talk • contribs) 01:39, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

but according to card text it's against the rules......and I haven't seen any official rulings otherwise.......—This unsigned comment was made by 71.89.90.0 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 2011 November 4

Again, you don't seem to understand: it's not against any rules, the cards are written incorrectly. There don't need to be any rulings. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 13:15, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

The line "This card can only be Ritual Summoned with the Ritual Spell Card..." is only reminder text, Advanced Ritual Art definitely works on Demise, King of Armageddon. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:29, November 4, 2011 (UTC)