Forum:Alector, Sovereign of Birds Q

Does Alector, Sovereign of Birds's effect negate all effects, even effects that activate in the graveyard? For example, if I special summon Alector from my hand, negate Sangan's effect, and destroy it, would it's effect still be negated in the graveyard? Tmcmullen08 (talk • contribs) 23:50, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

It's the same as Forbidden Chalice, Sangan activates in the Graveyard, so it doesn't get negated. See also: Card Rulings:Forbidden Chalice. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:58, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Same idea with "Skill Drain". --FredCat 23:58, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Not really; Alector will negate Exiled Force (Activates on the field), but Skill Drain will not. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:00, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Exiled Force's tribute is cost, so Cost first won, THEN effect activate, which is in Graveyard, you failed. --FredCat 00:05, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Exiled Force's effect Activates on the field and Resolves on the field, even though the card is in the Graveyard.

Sangan's effect Activates in the Graveyard, and Resolves in the Graveyard. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:34, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

@falzar: read the ruling on Exiled Force in relation to Skill Drain. Exiled Force does not resolve on the field, it resolves in the grave. So effects like Skill Drain, Alector, Sovereign of Birds, and Destiny Hero - Plasma DO NOT negate Exiled Force. you failed on this one.

Macroman2011 (talk • contribs) 10:26, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Skill Drain and Plasma look at where the Card is during resolution, not the effect. This is why they both don't negate Exiled Force.

I've already explained it once, and Deus agrees with it, so see Forum:Debris dragon and lonefire.

@Both: Don't worry about failing this one; even HHT got it wrong. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:29, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

but you are incorrect. this is an official judge ruling on any effect, with the exception of effect vieler, that negates monster effects on the field. it is even on the rulings page for exiled force here, as well as in the rulings for exiled force on netrep. you are wrong, so stop trying to argue the point. you are nothing more than a troll that thinks he knows everything and has a right to dispense incorrect information whenever he wants just because he somehow has become respected on this site. however you are still wrong on this so just give up.

Macroman2011 (talk • contribs) 10:33, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Quote the rulings, and have a link to the source.

I said Skill Drain and Plasma will NOT negate Exiled Force.

If Alector's effect is used on your own Exiled force, and then after that, you activate your Exiled Force's effect, it WILL be negated on resolution. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:35, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

alright then.

from the rulings page on exiled force, under mentioned in other rulings:

• Skill Drain: "Skill Drain" does not stop you from activating Ignition Effects, but it does negate their effects as long as the Effect Monster remains on the field...If you activate "Exiled Force"'s effect while "Skill Drain" is active, "Exiled Force" is no longer on the field and you can select and destroy 1 monster on the field...

also from netrep.net[1], a database of all official rulings:

• [Re: Skill Drain] "Skill Drain" does not stop you from activating Ignition Effects, but it does negate their effects as long as the Effect Monster remains on the field. If you Tribute "Cannon Soldier" to itself while "Skill Drain" is active, "Cannon Soldier"'s effect is not negated because "Cannon Soldier" is in the Graveyard, but if you Tribute a different monster for "Cannon Soldier"'s effect, then the effect is negated and your opponent takes no damage. Likewise, if you activate "Winged Minion"'s effect while "Skill Drain" is active, "Winged Minion" is no longer on the field and its effect resolves. If you activate "Exiled Force"'s effect while "Skill Drain" is active, "Exiled Force" is no longer on the field and you can select and destroy 1 monster on the field. If you Tribute "Paladin of White Dragon" to activate its effect while "Skill Drain" is active, it is no longer on the field and you can Special Summon "Blue-Eyes White Dragon". If you Tribute "Great Dezard" while "Skill Drain" is active, it is no longer on the field and you can Special Summon "Fushioh Richie".

That is the best I can do for now. it will take some time to get the official ruling from the US Judge Support staff, as I will have to email this query to them and wait for a response, but I can tell you right now that they will agree with me on this.

Macroman2011 (talk • contribs) 10:40, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that proves my comment on "Skill Drain and Plasma will NOT negate Exiled Force."

Now try disprove my comment on : "Alector's effect is used on your own Exiled force, and then after that, you activate your Exiled Force's effect, it WILL be negated on resolution." -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:43, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

alright, in that respect you are correct, because Alector is acting in the same way as effect veiler. but you were wrong to say that exiled force resolves on the field. it does not. and only effects that specifically target a monster to negate its effects can negate exiled force, not braod spectrum effects like drain and plasma that do not target. so in this one instance, as well as plasma and any other effect that would specifically choose exiled to negate, exiled force is negated. that still does not change the fact that exiled force resolves in the grave, not on the field.

Macroman2011 (talk • contribs) 10:52, March 16, 2011 (UTC)