Forum:Card Car D

Anybody thought of that card coming in galactic overload Card Car D? it could be the Pot of Greed of the future. only takes ur normal summon for an instant +1 it's too fast cough*exodia*cough the ftk and otk exodias do NOT run stall or summon monsters so this card will be great cuz they'll always have their normal summon.So what do you think? will this card be banned/limited/semi'd or unlimited? LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 13:38, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Just pointing out, it makes you look better if you say "your" instead of "ur". Anyway, while it seems good, the thing is that it gives a single +1. In slow Exodia, I can see it working, but even then Des Lacooda is usually more effective. In FTK, you should use Royal Magical Library as it gives more +1s. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 13:52, January 25, 2012

well yeah that's for exodia but what about in a destiny hero deck? this deck has MASSIVE speed (allure of darkness/destiny draw/some people put Trade-in) so adding this card is simply a nitrous for D-heros and other decks that already have speed.--LG (talk • contribs) 18:22, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I can't see anything happening to this card. If it was like in the anime and you didn't instantly skip the End Phase, maybe it would be Limited, but as it is, with the exception of a very few decks that already have far better substitutes, I can't see it either getting much use or being that incredibly broken. So no. That little car's going nowhere fast. --Blue-Eyes Starlight Dragon (talk • contribs) 18:46, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Me neither. The card does in-fact let you draw two, but it does have It's draw back on you ("Pot of Greed" has no Draw backs at all). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:51, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. In addition to that, Destiny HERO Decks lack the previous draw/search power they had. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 18:55, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Is this card really that good? I keep seeing people have at least 2 of this card in their Deck, and they're like first or second place of their tournaments. I find it really risky to draw two cards then skip to the End Phase when someone is going to use it later during the Duel. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 01:35, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

It works magnificently for Decks that don't battle very often, or Decks that are all about holding the line until it explodes on the opponent in a turn. Getting extra draws for those kinds of Decks is quite valuable. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 01:39, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Cardcar D is really really good late game or in a simplified gamestate. When you're both topdecking late game the simple +1 becomes extremely powerful. When you have plenty of options there often isn't an opening to use it, but it's fantastic for when you desperately need that extra card, which is actually pretty often. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 01:40, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but after drawing two cards, you skip to your End Phase. So you really can't use those two cards. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 01:59, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Is it good for a Nordic or Samurai deck?

Is it better than Veiler or Maxx C?

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 03:08, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Bad in Samurai. Good in Nordics (combo based). BF2 Talk Deck Guides 03:11, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Veiler and Maxx are better, they help to disrupt the opponent. Using Car against the wrong deck can leave you open to take a beating. But Gadliitron has a point I've mostly seen Car in Inzektor builds in the OCG, which really makes sense when you think about it. Inzektors really need 1 card to start the destruction (Assuming Hornet is in grave), and Car helps get to Dragonfly. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 04:29, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

But OCG doesn't have Tour Guide. Tour Guide opening > Card-Car D Opening. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 12:04, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• This card definitely is good, but since Ignition Priority is now gone from the TCG, Cardcar D leaves you facing the risk of wasting your Normal Summon should your opponent Veiler it. After that, it's easy pickings and is fairly useless even if they don't kill it (unlike Tour Guide, who is the popular Level 3 and can still find use as Xyz Material if Veiler'd).--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 12:10, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know about you guys but I'd rather them veiler my Cardcar D than a TGU or something I actually need, I guess it works well in Inzektors this way since veiler > them.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 13:48, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Except that if you're running a card like Cardcar D for consistency, and you open badly and have to rely on it to draw more cards, then a Veiler can seriously screw up your chances of winning.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:58, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Just because you play Cardcar D doesn't mean it's always your only option, the majority of the time it's either turn 1 or late game so getting rid of a veiler is with it considerably better than losing a TGU/Rabbit/Dragonfly/Hieratic/Etc or a topdecked card. And it's not like you use it without protection (if it can be helped).

60.228.86.44 (talk) 15:26, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• What sort of protection would you run to protect a Cardcar D from Veiler? And my point was that, if it is your only option in that circumstance, it can be potentially fatal. Either way, you're wasting your Normal Summon to try to draw 2 cards, and Veiler means you don't get to, and that's bad regardless of the way you look at it.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:29, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

What? You run Cardcar D with backrow protection, as in things to stop the opponent from curb stomping your open field. Even if they veiler it you probably wont be hit with massive damage.

And if that was your only option when they have veiler you were screwed anyway, let's say there was still prio, you draw into TGU/Debris Dragon/Dragonfly or something to turn the duel around, they'd just veiler that anyway.

At the very least you'd force out the veiler so it's a 1 for 1.

60.228.86.44 (talk) 15:42, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• And then potentially draw nothing good for several more turns and lose. You've forced out a Veiler, but then if you draw nothing they can use it on, it doesn't really matter. Either way, we're getting into too specific situations. Point is, Veilering a Cardcar D makes it useless and that's now a risk of running the card.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:45, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Too specific? Topdecking TGU/dragonfly/etc (depending on the deck) is extremely common since they're run in 3s.

If they draw into nothing several turns later what makes you think they'd draw into something with Cardcar D? That's a very specific situation if you ask me.

I suppose you don't run TGU in decks it should be in because running it with veiler around is risky?

60.228.86.44 (talk) 15:53, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Did I say you shouldn't run Cardcar D because it's risky? No. I said it's a risk, which it is. And like I've said before, Tour Guide is a Level 3. Even if Veiler'd, it doesn't become completely useless, unlike Cardcar D. Most decks don't run Rank 2 monsters, nor have Level 2 monsters to spare to Xyz Summon with. Stop constantly pushing yourself to let everyone know you're a good player. It's getting to look a bit desperate.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:57, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Being able to overlay with TGU after you've wasted a normal summon, very likely, yep.

Since when have I tried to make myself look like a good player? Stop insulting the commenter and give an example on why the comment is wrong.

60.228.86.44 (talk) 16:01, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I did it the other day, actually. After all, you have all of these backrow cards to protect it. And I apologize, you definitely aren't a good player. That's evident on your comment about Ignition Priority and Xyz monsters, and opinions on BTH pre-rule change. There's no point me making points because you seem to glaze over and ignore them anyway, so I end up repeating myself, which I've done on this thread and the other one a few times now. I'm saying that Effect Veiler is a risk to Cardcar D, and you're trying to convince people that it isn't for reasons I can't understand besides to argue. Honestly, no one cares.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:08, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

If you can run Cardcar D you may as well be running Duality. Duality is better in most Decks. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 15:59, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Those two cards are generally known to be run together. Duality into Cardcar D is considered a good play.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:08, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

You can't read, maybe you should work on that.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 16:15, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Great come back. You can't play this game. You should really work on that.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:19, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Insulting without basis? Nice. At least I have evidence for my argument, see other thread.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 16:20, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• What, that you can't explain things worth sh!t? Yeah, great basis. Mine is that you think Marshmallon is worthy of a Semi-Limit, and that BTH was a good card before the prio change.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:23, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah totally, let's unlimit a card that can't be destroyed by the main method of destruction and unlimit a card that if used on the right monster removes it from the game completely.
You'd have to be horrible to think either card was bad.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 16:27, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I guess all of the competitive community who didn't run BTH before the prio change disagrees with you, and all of the people who don't randomly splash Marshmallon into decks would back them up. You must have a hell of a hard time vs. Inzektor builds that run Reaper.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:29, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Top 32 Atlanta (2012)

• 1st Marquis Henderson: T.G.'s, ran double bottomless.
• Top 32 Nizar Sarhan: Dino Rabbit, ran double bottomless.
• Top 32 Josh Harris: Dino Rabbit, ran double bottomless.
• Top 32 Branden Buck: T.G.'s, ran double bottomless.
• Top 32 Michael Smith-Grant: Evols, ran double bottomless.
• Top 32 Evan Towler: Dino Rabbit, ran 1 bottomless.
  

That's not even counting all the sided ones.

According to [1] Marshmallon was first hit back in 2005, and you can clearly understand why, if you can't you're horrible. BTH hit back in 2009.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 16:40, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• 1 YCS with 6 decks in Top 32 running BTH. That means 26 decks that weren't. 2 of those 6 also being T.G.s, which naturally have a heavier Trap build. Yeah, great point. Back then, Spirit Reaper was also at 1. Now, Spirit Reaper is at 3 and Marshmallon is now Semi-Limited. The game is evolving. Those cards aren't threats anymore, and if you think they are, you either have an awful, awful deck, or you're the one whose a horrible player.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:42, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how long prio's been around for but:
YCS top 32 Atlanta (2010):

• Frazier Smith (1st – Gravekeepers), double bottomless.
• Sean McCabe (2nd – Gravekeepers), double bottomless.
• Ronald Mack (Top 4 – Gravekeepers), double bottomless.
• Brandon Wigley (Top 4 – X-Sabers), double bottomless.
• Justin Crespo (Top 8 – Plant Synchro), double bottomless.
• Michael Guzman (Top 8 – Volcanic Quickdraw), double bottomless -- also only traps besides 3 Decrees.
• Chase Simpson ( Top 8 – Blackwings), double bottomless.
• Brian Jones ( Top 16 – Blackwings), double bottomless.
• Adrew Jeffries ( Top 16 – Machina Gadgets), double bottomless.
• Andrew Bishop (Top 16 – Plant Synchro), 1 bottomless.
• Kevin Silva ( Top 16 – Dimensional Eatos), double bottomless.
• Paul Blair ( Top 16 – Plant Synchro), double bottomless.
• Gustavo Potino ( Top 16 – Plant Synchro), double bottomless.
• Dorian Foster ( Top 32 – Infernity), double bottomless.
• Waldon Autry ( Top 32 – Blackwings), double bottomless.
• Clay Atchley ( Top 32 – X-Sabers), 1 bottomless.
• Andrew Naylor ( Top 32 – Blackwings), double bottomless.
• Christian Lewis ( Top 32 – Blackwings), double bottomless.
• Jonathan Fontanet ( Top 32 – Blackwings), double bottomless.
• Jeremy Walker ( Top 32 – Plant Synchro), double bottomless.
• Jonathan Weigle ( Top 32 – X-Sabers), double bottomless.
• Brandon T. Smith ( Top 32 – Plant Synchro), double bottomless.
• Sushant Bhardwaj ( Top 32 – Gravekeepers), double bottomless.

So I guess none of these count as part of "the competitive community before the prio change" huh?
And you're right, times are changing, very few decks other than rabbit run many traps now.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 16:58, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• That was a different meta and completely irrelevant to the last 3 or 4 formats, but the fact that you had to go all the way back to 2010 to find any major uses of BTH pretty much solidifies my point. Thanks. And FYI, Heroes.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:00, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

So since it doesn't support your point it's irrelevant? If only logic worked like that.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 17:04, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• It's sad that I have to explain this to someone, but cards change in relevance as formats change. That's evidenced by your own little list. Compare 2010 (23/32 decks running BTH) to 2012 (6/32 decks running BTH). That's OBVIOUS. Their meta didn't have 3 MST and Heavy, or monsters like Grapha that can just derp and destroy unchainable S/Ts. The circumstances of the format is why people stopped running BTH, and now the circumstances of priority changing means BTH may become a viable card again.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:07, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong but they had priority back then.
Yes? Ok, stay with me here.
If you said "Mine is that you think Marshmallon is worthy of a Semi-Limit, and that BTH was a good card before the prio change" as a reason to why I was bad, that must mean anyone that thought BTH was good before the prio change was bad correct? So you think AAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL those people are bad? So how many YCS's you topped then? You must be amazing!
60.228.86.44 (talk) 17:11, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, BTH was a bad card before the prio change taking into account the state of the format. I didn't think you'd be so thick as to need me to point that out, but here I am, shocked by the ignorance of internet nobodies yet again. Whether a card is good or bad is always dependant on the format. Mirror Force used to be a staple in every deck, but with the advent of cards that could destroy it easily and monsters like Stardust Dragon, it began to get shakey. Now, it isn't a necessary card in every deck. Exiled Force used to be at 1 and used in top meta decks like Warrior Toolbox, back when RotA was at 3. Now, it's a bad card because we have better destruction. It's that same awful mentality that makes you think that Marshmallon is relevant. If you can't even understand a simple point like this, do yourself a favour and stop playing this game. It's too complex for you.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:16, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

It was never a bad card, the card text rarely changes, the only problem with it was it wasn't right for the format. This hasn't changed, bottomless is still about as good as it used to be this format, there's very little difference except the odd BLS/DAD/JD/synchro/Xyz being removed without getting its effect.
Exiled Force is still a good card, the only thing that makes it look bad by comparison is that there are better cards out there. Is MST bad because Heavy Storm exists? A bit of an extreme example but the idea's the same.
And I love how you think you're so good at this game but think everything completely changed because of a little prio removal. Veiler and Chain Disappearance got a bit better, Rabbit a little worse (still going to be T1 though), that's about it.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 17:52, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Who says I think prio changed so much? I think BTH may become better. That's all I've mentioned. Veiler got A LOT better. It remains to be seen how well Chain Disappearance will do. Also, since you just don't get it and just said something as stupid as "Exiled Force is still a good card", I'm going to leave it at that. No point arguing with a clearly bad player.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:56, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

So a 1 for 1 destruction with no real side effects is bad? Use it in the right deck (one that doesn't normal summon often, e.g. Malefics) and it's pretty damn good.
And you said Bottomless went from a bad card to a good card. Emphasizing BAD quite a lot meaning prio removal did a huge change.
And draw 2 Chain Disappearances against a Rabbit player (without them getting MST'd/heavied) and they lose all their Rabbits and ways to get their Rabbits back. Really it just added a major monster for it to banish.
I love how you think of me as a bad player when you think Marshmallon should have always been at 3 and BTH sucked until prio was removed.
Well, whatever, think what you want there's no changing stupidity.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 18:07, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Why would you even bother to kill something with Exiled in Malefic? The entire point of Malefic is to run over stuff, and in that regard, why wouldn't you just run Smashing Ground!? You don't lose the Normal Summon, which you can use for a Beast King Barbaros, since most Malefic builds are Skill Drain ones. Also, I don't think people should main Chain Dissaperance, plus most people side that card in, and usually people side in 2 if they choose to use it in their side. Also, back in 2010, people didn't have to worry about stuff like Leviair the Sea Dragon and other Xyz stuff, as well as BLS. But this format, before the rule change, people did, and Solemn Warning was better than BTH, because it stopped BLS from using it's effect as well as Tour Guide plays. A card's utility changes depending on the format, that is always true, and sometimes nothing happens, but other times a lot happens. Can you understand that? Atm, BTH did rise in utility, except in Inzektor match-up(s), so naturally you'd side those out for chain disappearance.

Btw, BTH was just less useful last format and the beginning of this format. Joey never said it was "bad", and when he did, he mentioned the state of the meta game, which makes sense. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:48, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

For the exiled force thing, I don't know about you but when they have 1 monster on the field 90% of the time, and it's a 4000 beater I don't normal summon often. If they're setting once a turn then you can't attack directly and they have a higher chance of drawing into MST/Heavy. Exiled force can destroy facedown monsters aswell, Smashing Ground can't.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 03:28, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

That's why people run Skill Drain (It's Anti-Meta and stops annoying effects), stops the Malefic from being the only one to attack and stops it from killing itself, and allows you to Normal Summon Beast King Barbaros/Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast, that way you get a 3000 ATK/2800 ATK beatstick and can attack directly after you attack with King or Dual-Mode. Also, Force can't get its effect if Skill Drain is out, and most good Malefic builds run 3 Skill Drain. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 16:04, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

woah woah woah ace, exiled force gets its effect with drain out. LG talk My own Guides 18:06, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

It should shouldn't it? It leaves the field before the effect resolves so I don't see why it wouldn't.

Anyway out side of decks that don't need their normal summon, and can go a turn without attacking it is lame, but for the decks that don't need that normal summon more power to ya if you wanna draw 2 and give me my turn sooner.

Shinkirou 18:34, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Whoops wrong card (I was thinking Veiler/Forbidden Chalice I guess). Anyway, my point was that Force takes up a turn even if it is a one-for-one, what happens when you don't control a Malefic? Do you still play Force and trade off, only to leave your field open? I'd rather just run over the monster with another stronger summon. And thank you Shinkirou for going back to the Cardcar D topic, and yeah, personally, slower decks and decks that take a turn to warm-up really benefit, like Inzektor and Hieratic, but other stuff really wouldn't (Personally). I don't think this card is really needed in decks like Dark World and stuff, that are already fast on their own. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 01:40, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

So if you special summon before normal summoning this moster, are you still able to use its effect?

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 21:58, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Nope. In a similar vein, card effects that say "you cannot attack the same turn you use this effect" cannot be activated after you declare attacks. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 04:01, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Card Car D is definetly worth side decking against Wind-Uploop , with Maxx "C".

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 20:29, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

So did anyone just manage to draw one today? I bought 6 packs and the only "good" card I got was Queen Dragun Djinn. I also got some Hieractics and a couple Lightrays.

BTW, to be honest, I think this card sort of sucks. Sure, it has some great drawing power, but unless you have a really crappy hand or have a field full of monsters, this card is not worth losing your turn over. I'm not even sure what I would do if I actually got one. I probably would end up ebaying it since it is going for like $100 and I don't have a full job right now.

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 21:34, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Depends on what kind of Deck you're using. If it's one that doesn't Special Summon or attack a lot, or if it's one that waits until the right setup before exploding all over the field, that's where Card Car D will shine. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 23:53, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking more of it in a Hieratics deck, since I am starting one. I just cannot resist anything based on Egyptian mythology. Hell, that is the reason I am into this series in the first place.

However, how important is this card in one? I ask because I will never get any until they are reprinted.

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 02:31, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Kain, you have to think about the deck in question.
Hieratics are OTK based, they need to set up for that OTK as much as possible.
If you've looked at OCG Hieratic decks you will notice 2 things, 1, they all look very similar, and 2, they all run 3 Cardcar D and Pot of Duality (which might I add combo really well together).
121.222.167.78 (talk) 07:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I understand that, but this card is like $100 online. Is it really that crucial to the deck or can you have something else substitute it? I will NOT be getting this card unless I manage to get one in a pack, and even then, the chances of getting 3 are non-existant.

EDIT: Figures, I bought 4 more packs today and I get a Secret Rare, but it is a lousy Trials and Tribulation card. Nothing I can even sell for a good price on ebay. -_-

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 15:30, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

THATS why they are a 100 dollars. It's not about how good they are, it's just because they are hard to get.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 20:12, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, well they aren't worth the trouble to me. I will get something else to put in there and do without or just proxy them until they are reissued in a tin.

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 04:31, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

For a normal player it probably isn't worth the cost, but if you want to run the deck at YCS or something similar you'd need them unless you have some hidden strategy no one else does.
Also, they just came out, I wouldn't hold your breath on waiting for a new release.
121.222.167.78 (talk) 14:40, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

[quote]For a normal player it probably isn't worth the cost, but if you want to run the deck at YCS or something similar you'd need them unless you have some hidden strategy no one else does. Also, they just came out, I wouldn't hold your breath on waiting for a new release.[/quote]

I won't have to worry about YCS because there isn't one in my area for me to even go to. There aren't even shops that even have tournaments around me.

Anyway, if I ever did go to a YCS, I would take my Samurai deck with me.

As for hidden strategy, I don't know, since these are brand new cards, I don't really know what strategies people use. However, using level 8 normal monsters bring out Thunder End Dragon, and since I keep getting him no matter how many times I get rid of that card (traded my first one, ended up with 2 more in my next day packs I bought, so I sold another, and got another, which I tradedd, but I still have one), I might as well make use of him.

And why do you not think they will reprint him? Every card gets reprinted in time. I bet it will be part of the fall of 2013 tins just like Warning and Duality were.

In fact, I would not be surprised if Maxx C was one of the cards in this year's tins.

BTW, being a secret rare cannot be the only thing driving its price up. I mean, Trials and Tribulation is a secret rare, and that only costs $15 on ebay.

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 15:30, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Obviously usability is a factor, but it only goes so far, it is only expensive because it is hard to get. Take Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind, when it first came out it was a short print, and it cost like 15 bucks at the time. That's a lot for a rare.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 19:52, May 10, 2012 (UTC)