Forum:Fran Ken

Apparently Number 22: Fran Ken is coming out sometime in the future. Any ideas for what the real-life effect will be? I'm thinking something like:

DARK; Rank 8; 4500/1000; Zombie/Xyz/Effect; 2 Level 8 Monsters; Once during each of your opponent's turns, when a monster's effect is activated, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card: Negate the effect, target the monster, and change it to Attack Position. Also, the target must attack this turn, if able. This card cannot attack directly, and if at the end of a Battle Phase this card has no Xyz Material, destroy it.

Of course, the Zombie-type is assuming Konami doesn't turn it into a Dragon, like they do to everything. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 16:51, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

That made no sense what so ever.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 18:11, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I know, Helix... but that user is just wish to guess what kind of effect will it have once it hit OCG/TCG... --iFredCat 18:19, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see what's so confusing. That effect is completely plausible. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:34, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Helix just find that IP-Addressed User's choose of effect "non-sense", as it was not quite right in his view. However, I just respect that user's choose because it is IP-Addressed User's guess. It's unlike other Xyz Monsters, which can be work during it owner's turn or during any player's turns (I am looking at you, Utopia), this Number 22 monster can only work during opponent's turn. --iFredCat 18:36, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if it "made no sense what so ever." I was trying to include the negation/force-attacks-from-opponent thing the manga version had in a somewhat realistic manner, along with potential restrictions to prevent it from being extremely OP. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 18:53, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

GUYS, I meant the zombie to dragon thing.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 23:27, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that was just a bad joke, based off of Konami making Number 91, which everyone thought would be a Sea Serpent, into a Dragon, and just them making too many powerful cards into Dragons overall. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 23:54, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, but damn that string of comments about me getting confused over the effects made me laugh, sorry Fred!!!--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 06:54, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

The page for the card now has a sort-of incomplete translation for the real-life effect. Does anybody know if this wording lets you use it's effect mid-chain on Spell and Trap cards, like in the manga? 108.196.206.15 (talk) 20:53, July 12, 2012 (UTC) EDIT - Also confirmed to be 2 Level 8 DARK material now; I guess Dark Worlds could run it if they wanted to. Wait, now it's 2 Level 8 Machines? Um... Ally of Justice Cosmic Gateway, Ancient Gear Gadjiltron Dragon, Gearspring Spirit and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon? Any other ideas?

@Helix, it's alright - at least I get someone to laughing around. --iFredCat 21:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I hope that it will be 2 Level 8 DARK monsters, not Machines. But if the others effects stay the same... Can't be revived... And how come a monster with Un-Rebelling Strength changes itself to defense position? --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 20:21, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

It turned out you're right, MissingNo... And also I got in an argument with several IP-Addressed User about him with Grapha. If I recalled correct, all "Dark World" can't be working if they were discard for a Cost, included "Grapha". ATEMVEGETA told me when I tried to put in "The Supremacy Sun" in my Dark World Deck. --iFredCat 20:25, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

I was only arguing for mentioning Grapha as potential material... he's level 8, DARK, and fairly easy to drop 2 copies of. I wasn't promoting using Dark World discard effects with this guy... 108.196.206.15 (talk) 20:27, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Then making it clearly to wording that - the way you posted making me believe that you were using "Fran Ken" effect to summon "Grapha"... Get that straight then I can back out. --iFredCat 20:30, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

How's the new wording? 108.196.206.15 (talk) 20:33, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

It's pretty good for a rank 8. It's a 4500 beatsticker though disappointed on the fact that the monster he targets goes to defense mode after using his effect. Hopefully that was an error. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 20:36, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Bastard! I was about to responding... So anyways - You have to wording it different way: I am not coaching you anywhere! --iFredCat 20:37, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Woah Fred. Vocab. And what's this about wording? Just wondering. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 20:39, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

It was the conservation I had with other user just before you respond. He believe that Fran Ken can kick Grapha onto the field - which I believed that it's not workable. The way he commented seemed different from what he was posting in... --iFredCat 20:40, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Technically Fred, it was worded very carefully before you edited that its good in darkworlds because of its potential to SUMMON grapha, not use his discard effect. It doesn't need to be worded better because you misinterpreted it. Just saying. 2.126.180.53 (talk) 20:42, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Need more clearly wording, dammit. The way I read it, it's by Fran Ken's effect. Now shut up and work your grammar up. --iFredCat 20:44, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Fred, you're the one using poor grammar, it explicitly stated "This card can function well in a Dark World deck due to their capability of easily summoning two or three copies of "Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World" BEFORE you edited it . There is no mention of the discard effect in this statement so it is fine the way it was, so don't tell me to shut up because you made a mistake. And seriously Fred, cut the attitude, it isn't needed. No one is talking to you in a rude manner the way you are, so there's no reason to use that language. 2.126.180.53 (talk) 20:47, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Check the history - the extra line was removed because you're misreading the effect - it's NOT discard: It's sending. At least that line other user left behind is better than before, impressive, asshole. --iFredCat 21:21, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Fred, BEFORE you intervened, THIS was the tip. "This card can function well in a Dark World deck due to their capability of easily summoning two or three copies of "Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World". There is no implication of Fran Ken using its effect, it heavily suggests that grapha uses its effect to summon itself to provide Xyz material for the summon. No mention of Fran Ken's effect what so ever, so yeah, it was fine before you intervened, and seriously, cut the attitude or I'll report you to an admin, calling me an asshole was uncalled for. 2.126.180.53 (talk) 21:58, July 18, 2012 (UTC)