Forum:FredCat's Ratbox (R/F)

I will add the Extra Deck later on, but for now, it's an issue is in the deck itself. --FredCat 13:49, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Why Parasite Paracide? I'd suggest Pot of Duality. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 14:15, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Done --FredCat 14:23, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

You should probably run 3, but at least 2, copies though...Perhaps another instead of CotH? Also, I personally prefer CED over Solemn Warning this format. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 14:33, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

That's interesting worded, friend. And I get it covering that would satisfy your choice of cards. --FredCat 14:41, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I know I stated that in a very weird way when I read over it, but you got it. :P Anyways, you do know that Green Baboon can't use his effect if the beast is destroyed by battle, right? So, I'd say to take him out with one Chain Master (3 seems excessive) for an Amazoness Trainee and 2 D.D. Warrior. Also, I'd say to take out one Panda for a third PoD. You do run Naturia Beast in the Extra Deck, right? Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 14:50, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I can deal with Extra Deck later on, but yes I will include Naturia S/T negate-monsters. The recipe has edited into what you asked for. --FredCat 14:56, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

It's coming together quite nicely now. The only other things I can think of right now is Reinforcement of the Army, Trap Dustshoot and possibly The Warrior Returning Alive, but I wouldn't know where to put them in. xD MAYBE -1 Creature Swap for +1 RotA. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 15:17, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Funny, I just threw in Trap Dustshoot into the Sidedeck. But I missed other two. And I have finally deal with the extra deck. --FredCat 15:22, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

You need Utopia in the Extra Deck, and Mist Wurm in for Leodrake. I'd run a 2nd Naturia Beast as well. If you can get it, I'd also suggest Daigusto Emeral. It's a good instant PoA to a lesser extent. Even though it has low attack, you can recycle your Rats, etc. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 15:45, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Replaced which for the latter two as well as Utopia, this extra is fill now. --FredCat 15:48, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Take out CED, add Warning. It doesn't do a thing against Dark Worlds and doesn't permanently stop Kristya or Hyperion. It doesn't stop Trishula, which is also a big deal. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 16:48, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Have a talk with Synchro Maniac, as he's the one told me to replacing the reverse order you mentioned, BF2. I am just tired of many users arguing on what should I using. And you all are not first one done this. --FredCat 16:50, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with him when it comes to earlier this format, but nowadays Bottomless may even be more effective than Warning because it stops Dark Worlds. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 16:52, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

He's already got Bottomless. :P I just don't like Warning that much because CED has 3 advantages over it, whereas it only has 1 over Bottomless. Warning costs LP's you may not always be able to pay, it sends the card to the graveyard, and it isn't chainable. Bottomless isn't chainable, but is pretty good other than that. It's really a personal preference, as I said. Use the card you like better. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 21:59, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Except that Bottomless and CED can't stop the Trishula that kills your best cards, the Scrap Dragon that blows up your Field Spell/boss monster, the Tour Guide's searching ability, Orient Dragon's Banishing, Debris Dragon's Special Summon, Black Rose Dragon's Field Clearing ability, and a lot more. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 22:02, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

And be caution, if "Scrap Dragon" was destroy by either Solemn, he still get his special summon effect (By summon other Scrap Monster). But for now, I can leave it as way it is. Some decks use Device, some used Solemn - each one have their own weakness. Thank you both for being honest discussion. --FredCat 14:41, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Most decks that use Scrap Dragon don't use other Scrap monsters (and I already knew about that ruling). It's a staple. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 20:53, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I am well-aware of that, Bob... I just happened to running into full-Scrap Duelist and he pulled other Scrap Monster. --FredCat 20:56, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

FredCat is right, but there is something else I'd like to point out. Your arguement that it can't stop those Synchros' trigger effects is really invalid (under mostcircumstances). If you bounce the tuner or even another monster, Trish, Orient, and Scrap can't be summoned in the first place, somewhat similar to Warning, besides the face that they keep at least one other monster, but that isn't usually a big, threatenting one. As for Debris, if you bounce the card it summons, it's usually just dead weight. That is, unless you don't think they'll summon one the 3 Dragons you mentioned. Then you can just return the Synchro to the Extra Deck. Same for Tour Guide. If they're going to summon Leviathan Dragon, just bounce it and works just as well as Solemn would've. In addition to the other reasons I listed above, I like CED. As I've said, everyone will use the 1 they like best. That's just my personal thought on that. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 21:22, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

But if you bounce the Tuner they can just do the same thing next turn. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:26, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

As Synchro Maniac have confirmed this; it's sense of timing. I do know that we all lacked the timing when coming to Synchro Summon. Game don't stop us from using the Timing wisely; we can bounce ANY monster, not just Synchro Monster. It can be work same way with Solemn Warning/Judgment, if we used it perfectly.

If that monster is bounced, then we can "Mind Crush" it down to graveyard easily - I had been through this many times, whenever I added a monster; my opponent crushed it. --FredCat 21:27, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that all the top decks that used a Trap lineup used Warnings. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:29, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Good points, but 1) You can bounce a card besides the Tuner... 2) Not if the duel turns during your next turn where either they can't, or it wouldn't be the best decision to play the Tuner the next turn. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 21:31, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I understand your point, and I think it's very valid. Sorry about arguing. Perhaps you could just use both? BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:32, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, he could, but space is very tight. I'm sorry as well, I didn't mean to start all of this commotion. :P Warning or CED is a personal preference. Certain people like one over the other. We'll leave it at that. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 21:34, October 12, 2011 (UTC)