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alternate universe version

Wait, is it confirmed that this Jack is a different dimension counterpart ??

Thunder Eagle (talk • contribs) 23:36, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

If you believe the subbing. It said Jack rose from the slums of City through the Friendship Cup. --Let's Rocket 451 (talk • contribs) 23:42, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

This history was also confirmed by some extra material prior to the episode. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 23:43, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Could be a lie to hide the singer legend or to hide everything from the past or something. We don't know yet what happened and what will happen, I agree so far we should keep the articles separate but we should it sound less #this is already confirmed#

Thunder Eagle 13:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

We never assume the show is lying to us, unless there are obvious implications that that is the case or things or way more vague than they are here. If it turns out the show is lying to us, then when the lie comes to light we update the article, simple as that. Yugo's info on Jack basically makes it impossible for him to be the same person. And we have no reason to believe that Yugo is misinformed on this matter. That isn't to say he might not be - and again, if he is, we'll update when that is clarified. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:40, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

We do not assume it is telling the truth EITHER!Manyfaceblake (talk • contribs) 16:16, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

...which is the same as saying "assume he is lying".....which is stupid.

Dread (talk • contribs) 16:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

No that's not the same. I'm saying do not assume either possibility until the show confirms one way or the other Manyfaceblake (talk • contribs) 16:21, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Actually yes, we do assume the show is telling the truth, because there is no evidence that it isn't. We are directly citing the show. The only way we're wrong is if the show is wrong and thus lying. And once again, if that is the case, we update it when that comes to light. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:29, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Not when the people in charge of "The City" have constantly lied and hid information in the pastManyfaceblake (talk • contribs) 16:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

We don't know that they have done that this time. We update when we get more info, we can't just say "let's wait the entire arc before writing anything." Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:37, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

-sighs- jeez, that's will take a very loooonnng time. Neo Razora 16:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

| take it that this conversation ignores my comment about Word of God. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

It was the first I heard of it, so i didn't believe it. link?

Dread (talk • contribs) 19:55, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

This page. It took me a while to find it, so that might be why it's lesser known. http://ygorganization.com/v-jump-random-scraps-for-june-2015-vj/

Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 20:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

The serie lied to us ? Dafuq I'm talking about the officials in the city.

After 5D's ended the city goes over to a system with a mayor right ? Well since the Singers never fixed the gap between poor and rich it might be possible that a mayor right guys where done with the poor ones, so after 4 years they choose the Roger guy instead of Yeager. And introduce a new system, everyone is still equel but with the socity with losers and winnars (Yugo mentioned that every everyone is in fact equal, but Top was a special area only for the top people) First off there wasn't really a problem but slowly the top people start to discriminate the commons more and let the commons paid more and more tax. Slowly the once normal people became poor and so this situaton was born. Or worser, Roger is also a member for Academia and is put there to de-stabilise the Synchro Dimension

He also brainwashed Jack by some unknown means.

Just an example of a shallow theory that this doesn't have to mean that this city and 5D characters has nothing to do with

Thunder Eagle 21:59, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

5D's didn't take place in the Synchro Dimension. a) Same timeline as DM and GX. b) FUSION MONSTERS. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 22:09, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Why do people think that nobody use Fusion in other dimensions ? Fusions Summons where there from the start while Synchro and XYZ where invented later. I think everyone knows about Fusions and Fusions are a more common thing. That might also be the reason why the Fusuion dimension is main protagonist since everyone uses fusion summons but the Fusion Dimension truly master it. (which is ironic cuz in the real game every deck (can) uses XYZ and the XYZ dimension is already destroyed)

Also why do people think these dimensions always existed ? Maybe that Reo guy created them after a failing experiment ? Or maybe because of Z-one or Yubel these Dimensions where born. Anyway we still don't know why these dimensions exist.

lastly the megazine said #reappeard# but if they are really differnt dimension counterparts that's not a #reapearence# that a new character with the same face...

In my theory all the series takes place in standard none of them have taken place in other dimension. the orginal jack and crow from 5ds are from standard and even zexal takes place in standard despite lack of other summoning methods except xyz. the heartland in arc v is not the same one that appeared in zexal (Saeryukgkj (talk • contribs) 11:43, July 12, 2015 (UTC)) Thunder Eagle 09:31, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Oh gee, I don't know. Maybe it's because Yuto states that it's an undeniable truth that the Dimensions are divvied up by Summon method and he states that people of the dimensions all use that Summon.

And of course it's gonna say reappeared, it's not like they're going to say new character regarding Jack and Crow. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 10:35, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Just cuz they use SPEED FUSION doesn't mean it can't be the Synchro dimensionManyfaceblake (talk • contribs) 01:25, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

Not really the same.

The Jack Atlas and Crow Hogan of the Synchro Dimension is different from the two appearing in the 5D's. In the 5D's, a fusion summon is made by Yusei while in Synchro Dimension, it is said that all use Synchro Summoning onlu. And why is only Jack the only hero who arise from being poor? What about Yusei and Crow? Yusei does not exist here though. And look at their duel disks. Jack's duel disk is also different from the one he used in 5D's. Arrrggghhhhhhh Yu-Gi-Oh! You're confusing all of usss.... Denversapple (talk • contribs) 05:06, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Its an Alternate Universe version. Different Jack and Crow, no Yusei.

Adding to that list, the fact that ARCV!Jacks backstory is different

In 5D's, Jack being from Satellite was a secret

In ARC V, its commonly known

in 5D's, the class Discrimination in the City magically vanished between timeskips

in ARC V, its still there and much more apparent.

the fact that the City doesn't Appear to have been torn in half hints that the Zero Reverse didn't happen there either.

Not Quite the Same Character in not quite the same story. much like GX 5D's or Zexal compared to their Mangas.

Simple, if this is enough to confuse you then I suggest you don't go anywhere near the Gundam franchise. that'd make yer head explode.

Dread (talk • contribs) 05:20, May 8, 2015 (UTC)