Talk:Short Print

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Yeah, but how the hell are you supposed to know that it's a short print? You could just buy a booster box, but you'll get short prints and commons! How can you tell?! (User:MorphingJar700MorphingJar700 07:19, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

this needs a list of all existing short print cards. it barely has business being here without one. i'd add it myself, but i don't know most of which cards are short prints.Legendhiro (talk • contribs) 19:27, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

What the hell is the difference?

SIGN YOUR FRIGGING TILDES! "Ally of Justice Catastor" and "Naturia Beast" are short-print. --FredCat 03:22, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, we know they are Short Print. So what's the difference(s) that makes you know that they are Short Print? Order (talk • contribs) 12:45, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know, there are none on the cards themselves; based on the definition of "Short Print", the only way you could tell would be a statistical analysis over a large number of card packs/boxes (otherwise, you have to take someone else's word for it). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:24, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

How do we know that Short Prints and Super Short Prints exist if they're identical to Commons? Are there any signs that differentiate them from each other?

Samzapp (talk • contribs) 19:29, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Can you not read? I gave an answer directly above your comment, and it's been there for over a month. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:17, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Before I respond, I'd like to quote the header:

"Please try to

Be polite

Assume good faith

Be welcoming"

Continuing on, your "answer" didn't really answer anything. To put it bluntly, you actually complicated things further.

Samzapp (talk • contribs) 22:38, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

The answer I gave is the best - and only - answer we have. No one yet has been able to definitively point to some feature on cards and say "this shows if the card is a (Super) Short Print". Absent that, we have to take someone else's word for it or run our own statistical analysis on pull ratios (though for the record, Kevin Tewart has stated that Super Short Print doesn't exist). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:49, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Acceptible number of packs needed to tell if a card is short print.

I'd say that a single box would not be enough to tell if a card is short print or not (as it still could be small-scale enough to have flukes of getting 6 of a short print and 2 of a non-short print. I think that you'd have enough data to be (relatively) certain if looking at booster cases. Also, I'd also say that in order to test if there are short printed rares, you would look at 2 or more cases. super Rarees would probably be 4 or more. Ultra Rares 16 r more. Secret Rares 32 or More. Ghost Rares 64 or more. Note the numbers I use are estimates and probably are a little bigger than actually necessary to be certain if a card is short printed or not. Zombiedude347 (talk • contribs) 13:04, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Unless you're trying to determine or confirm actual pull ratios with statistical significance, there's no reason to test for Super, Ultra, Secret, or Ghost Rares, since these are all distinguished by unique foil patterns, and none of them have Short Print variants (keep in mind that Short Print in the TCG is the same as Normal Rare in the OCG). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 13:55, June 27, 2015 (UTC)