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Falzar FZ

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Nomination

Active user, online quite a lot. Undoes vandalism quite a bit, and when it's a major vandalist, contacts VSTF, however recently they aren't as active so...
Likes to help out and contribute in the Forum. Knows the the main policies, page formats and basics to templates and stuff like that. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:53, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Available. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:03, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Result - successful 
Successful. Adminship granted. -- Deltaneos (talk) 02:21, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Questions

Questions from Deltaneos

Please put your answers under each question individually. -- Deltaneos (talk) 02:58, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

1: What work do you intend to take part in that you need to be an administrator to do?
Block continuous vandalists
Occasionally move images to the right page
Move pages without creating a redirect when un-needed.
Lock pages (though probably only when continuous counterproductive editing is continuously done) -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:55, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Delete stuff, focusing on spam and proxy card images. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
2: Aside from reverting vandalism and cleaning-up mistakes other users have made, what are your best contributions to the site?
Helping out in the Forum, especially in the Ruling Queries.
Along with Hide Head Turtle, improved the Forum. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:55, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
@Helping out in the Forum: maintaining two lists.
A good contribution that could be made in the future would be the idea at Forum:Improving "Card Effect Type(s):". Though getting it approved and whatnot isn't going too far at the moment. I would like to believe that it is because we are waiting on the arrival of the newer card table that Dinoguy mentioned, before we continue that discussion. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
3: You've nominated three other users for adminship within minutes of nominating yourself. Could you explain this decision?
Since no one else was nominating anyone. I thought I'd start things off. Hopefully other people would follow.
The nominations I made were mainly based on how active the are at the moment, for anti-vandalism purposes. Someone else could base their nominations on something else, and then the nominations would be tallied up. (or at least, that's what I think it was, with the /1 and /2s; and how this was not a nomination where people who are willing say they are available and then people vote on the same page). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:55, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
4: What is your understanding of whether people can or to what degree they can copy content posted on this site?
Wikia should be the same or at least very similar as Wikipedia. People can copy parts of the content, or even the whole page. However, I'd like to think that credits or a source/link back here would be nice, so that people can check if there is an update or who contributed on the content. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:55, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
5: Supposing a user was to post a rumoured card list on a set article, which quickly gets reverted. In response this user repeatedly blanks the reverters user page, even after being warned to stop. How would you handle this situation?
Newer editors probably won't know that rumours are not allowed, and they tend to only blank pages after their edit has been reverted a couple of times (during this time, the reverts should have a reason in the summary, saying that rumours/speculation is not allowed).
Afterwards, if they blank userpages, we'd have to assume that they missed the summary in the history page, found the reverter on the Recent changes page, where the tab is closed, so it only shows who edited it with no summary.
Alert them that rumours are is not allowed on their talkpage, and then undo the blank.
If they ignore you (kinda hard to not see an orange bar that says you have a new message), and continue to blank pages a few times, then block. A short block should be enough in this case (assuming there's an option that blocks an editor from editing a user page, like how there's one for talk pages and rulings pages), as the original intention was a contribution and not a vandalism edit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:55, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the page be locked anyway with the Template:Pp-upcoming set at the top of the page? Preventing this from happening would be preferred than to wait for this to happen. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:34, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
Questions from Dinoguy1000

You probably know the drill from Delt's questions above... ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:14, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

6: You state that you'd occasionally like to move pages without leaving a redirect behind when it isn't needed. What might some of these cases be?
I'd move pages that don't belong on the Mainspace to the Forum and then adding the header. Instead of marking them for deletion right away; or move, add header and the go back and mark redirect for deletion, which I must admit, I don't do too often atm, the extra step makes all the difference xD.
and um.... I'd be useful if I could move images under the wrong name and not leave a redirect. Not that I can move images at the moment :P -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:17, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
7: Do you know what a history merge is, why (and when) it should be performed, and how to do so?
(This is all based on the name xD) I would assume that it is where you merge the history page and content of 2 separate pages. This is probably needed when 2 pages were made, but soon we find out that it's actually the same thing, so 2 pages aren't needed, 1 would be the main page and the other is the redirect. (e.g. Dark Glass and Bruno, but it wasn't done there)
I'm not sure how to do it, but it seems useful so... (this part of comment made after Googling) Google gave me this, hope it works if I ever need to use it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:17, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
8: I have a Limited Edition Secret Rare, level 8 monster card named "Typist's Night-Fair" (yeah, no creativity plus bad puns equal horrid crimes against imagination =D ) with 2700 ATK/2000 DEF. The card's set number is CGOM-EN054. An image of the card was uploaded with the name "File:Card005481.JPG". What is the name it should be moved to? (feel free to use templates)
Assuming it was an actual card, and not a card made by a fan or one that was generated by ygo-cardmaker,
Typist'sNight-FairCGOM-EN-ScR-LE.jpg
I wonder what effect is has... (hoping it's not a Normal Monster). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:17, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
For history merges, Wikipedia has a quite good writeup of the theory and process at wikipedia:Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves. In general, they probably aren't appropriate in cases of ordinary merges.
The image name is almost correct; the dash and apostrophe should be removed from the card name as well. When is the last time you looked through Project:Image Policy? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:01, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
That Warning note on that page looks bad... I'd ask another admin who is familiar with the process to do it.
A quick skim, just then. An actual read, quite a while ago, I think the wave before the last wave of scans I did.
For the dash, I actually checked that with an "Arcana Force" card... I'm used to checking to see how it is done in the past... yea, I should have used the Project:Image Policy instead.
Well, if (") and (') are to be removed, then images from "Karakuri" will need to be moved, as well as images like: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (Yes, those images were uploaded by people who upload images a lot). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:23, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, there are a lot of images which are going to have to be moved to reflect the current naming policy. I've been taking my time about it, especially since I've been concurrently developing {{TCG-OCG card image}} (which is ready to be used) and {{Set}} (which the former uses, but which I'm still thinking about/playing with a bit). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:38, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
More questions from Deltaneos

I'm still finding it hard to decide where I stand. A few more questions... -- Deltaneos (talk) 02:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

9: If you have admin access and you encounter an edit war. Multiple editors start trying to merge the ZONE and Yusei Fudo articles, at a time when this hasn't been explicitly stated in the anime, but they keep getting reverted, how would you handle this situation?
See if there are any valid reasons in the History Summaries.
If not. Short lock pages with the a reason like: Counterproductive edit warring. Unconfirmed content + reverts. See the talk page.
By short, I mean, until when the next episode comes out, and hope it'll be confirmed (or unconfirmed) there.
Revert back to how they were before the copy/paste merge.
Start a section on the talk page that states what was being done (in this case, merge of the pages)
With a note which states that unconfirmed content and speculation are not allowed. If anyone has proof that it is a fact please provide it here. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
10: If you have been alerted of these pages (not all at once) and asked to delete them, which would you delete? If you wouldn't delete them, what action action would you take? Think if there's anything you should check in some of these hypothetical situations before making the decision.
  • A: A redirect to a character article left after a page move.
  • B: An article whose name looks legitimate, but the content is spam.
  • C: An article on a Deck type that seems to have been created by the author of the page.
  • D: A rulings page with no sources.
  • E: A talk page, where an argument has gotten out of hand and turned into a flame war.
  • F: An article that has another article on the same subject, under a more correct name.
All: Check history (as some people don't know about it, and just mark it for deletion; in that case, revert back to last good version). If there's nothing there then:
A: I don't think redirects to a character article needs to be deleted. The old names are generally alternate names, so there will be people who would look up that name. If it's an alternate name, then I'll remove the deletion notice, and note that redirects from alternate names are necessary.
B: If it actually does only contain spam, then delete
C: If it's in the forum, I don't see why not... the author wants it deleted, so it should be fine to delete it. If it's on the main space, and it is a commonly used deck type (so it's a valid page), with valid info, with no reason, then I'd ask on the talk page, otherwise sure, delete.
D: See if the rulings appear on the well known sources, if not, then delete. If the do appear, +reference.
E: Replace flaming comments with an own post that says something like flaming and personal attacks aren't allowed, please remain on topic... without resorting flaming and personal attacks.
F: See if there is any content that is worth moving across and move it and history merge if necessary (by eventually figuring it out elsewhere before that, or ask another admin to do it). If not, then make it a redirect or delete, depending on how 'incorrect' the previous name was. See if any links to that page, so there won't be any broken or double redirects. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Most answers are good.
For F, I was thinking check which article is the original. Sometimes pages are copy-paste moved or recreated from scratch and the original with page history is flagged for deletion. Sometimes this will just require deleting the new to move the original and sometimes it will require a history merge. Your answer was fine though.
For A, more specifically if the redirect was a misspelled, mistranslated or hoax name, what would you do? -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:09, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Spelling errors shouldn't be needed. So delete that.
Hoax names are similar to speculations and unconfirmed info. Hence should be deleted. Unless they were official (or semi-official, not made by a random fan), like Unlimited Blade Rain.
Mistranslations... I think they should be deleted. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:42, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
I was really checking to see if you'd see if there any pages that still link to the redirect before deleting it, but overall your answers were quite good. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:11, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
11: Sometimes enforcing a rule or policy can discourage someone from editing. e.g. Telling a new user what they can't do. Does this danger appear in any of the edits you make? Have you considered this problem in the past and what have you done to avoid it happening? Or if you haven't seen this problem before, what would you do in such a situation?
It depends on the reader's opinion and personality, but I tend to try to keep my comments neutral (firm enough to let them note that it is what they're supposed to do, but lax enough to not get them intimidated) when doing that. But imo, alerting them about a rule or policy would be the right thing to do.
I've considered it before, and have changed a bunch of my... 'template comments' (lines that are used a lot, so are saved to a .txt file on Notepad). If any are still lines that seem like that, feel free to point them out, and I'll try change it (If I remember correctly, this has been done before by Deus ex Machina... the pointing out part). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
12: Since you've started editing here, is there anything that hasn't already been touched-on in this RFA that you regret doing? I promise not to use any example you give as a reason to oppose. I just want to see how you've learned from experience. If you feel this question is too personal and would rather not answer, I won't hold that against you either.
Stuff like this would be considered as 'feeding the trolls' right? ... I did that sometimes when I was bored :P
Now I would prefer to just add 'Vandalism' in front of the 'Undo revision....' to it instead. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Support

  • Support. Falzar is good editor and with sysop power, he can take care of image moving to the correct name (i see not so many other admins do this) and vandalism. --113.190.195.31 (talk) 08:39, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
  • Support - after reading through all the comments here again, and reviewing a number of links posted and some other stuff, I feel comfortable with the idea of Falzar FZ being granted admin privileges. I'm not seeing any reasons to think he may abuse any of the tools that come with the bit. One thing that does worry me some is his sudden focus on history merges, though it's really my fault for mentioning them in the first place without making it clear that he wouldn't be required to perform any (just keep in mind that if you're not sure whether a history merge is appropriate, it is always safer to perform an ordinary merge+redirect and ask another admin what they think). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:44, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

  • I don't know. His involvement in community discussions is good, plans for adminship are okay. I might be overlooking stuff, but I haven't seen very many additions to the content part of the site. He has started and contributed to Stardust Accelerator and Reverse of Arcadia character articles, but mostly it seems to be fixing other edits and reverting vandalism. I know adding content doesn't really affect how anyone behaves as a sysop, but this just seems incomplete without it. I might change my mind before the RFA is closed. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:21, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
This is probably because I prefer add content as I come across it, while I'm familiar about the topic. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:14, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Other comments

I think some of the questions given do go a bit beyond what's normally expected. History merges aren't something many users including current administrators are aware of or usually need to do. Maybe the same with the question on reusing content. Although it was asked with this message in mind. (You can look at the current licensing information here or here for how it applies to Wikia.) I don't think many people are aware of this discussion on the image policy or check the policy page for updates. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:01, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

I would agree. Had I been asked the image policy question, I would have checked several card image file names and made an educated guess based on them. I wouldn't think to check the image policy, as finding it via the search bar would be very difficult and I wouldn't necessarily know what the policy page would be named. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:22, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
I must admit, that probably was a bit over the top. I was going to pass by with asking him to maybe rearrange the content and/or add his own categories and his 'own info' to the profiles; then I came across his line about not netdecking his decks, although I myself have no problems with netdecking, thought I'd notify him that he just did something fairly similar and something that he disliked so much. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:14, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
If you intend to do pagemove-related work as an administrator, it helps greatly to at least have a passing familiarity of the term and its meaning. The situation should be rather rare, but you should at least be able to recognize obvious histmerge cases and, if you don't know or aren't confident enough to perform them yourself, ask another admin for help.
The image naming question was asked with the same basic logic in mind, though in this case, it's more important to have a direct understanding of our current policy since so many of our images are of cards (though I also agree that our image policy is somewhat hard to find/underadvertised...). With card images, though, there's a ready-to-use template which will check the filename (and some other stuff) for you and automatically flag (and categorize) images which need to be renamed (though again, this template is currently underadvertised, and not yet widely deployed, so it's not surprising if someone doesn't know about it yet). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:02, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
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