Forum:August questions

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here they are:

1) i have a F/D banisher of the light, and my opponent has a bora on field and a kalut on hand, he attacks the F/d banisher, can he discard kalut??

2) i have a rai-oh and a doomkaliber on the field, my opponent summons a gadget, can he activate the effect even tho it cant search, so my doomkaliber dies?

3) can doomkaliber negate the special summon of either machina fortress or D.D. survivor? 3) b) can rai-oh negate any of those?

4) both me and my opponent have a LADD, both with 2800, my opponent activates MST...........what happens next? wich 1 negates first?

5) can i chain bottomless 2 a machina fortress, and in response 2 my BTH activate a torrential?

6) similar, can i activate Dim prison and in resp mirror force?

thanxs 4 answring Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 17:41, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

1. Yes they can. Kalut's effect can be activated in substep 1 of the battle phase and Banisher of the light is flipped face up in substep 2 of the battle phase.

But i think they would have to choose to activate the effect of Kalut before Banisher is flipped face up they can't wait till it is face up and then activate Kalut because by then the effct of Banisher would remove Kalut from play and he has to go to the grave for it to work.

2. Under OCG rulings:

  • When "Green Gadget" is Normal/Special Summoned, you cannot activate its effect if there is no "Red Gadget" in your Deck.

If there is no gadget in his deck he can search. Also if the effct of a card cannot properly resolve than you cannot activate it.

3. Not sure on Machina(i don't know if he is treated like D. Simorgh or Cyber dragon). Yes it can negate DD survivor and DD survivor will stay removed from play.

4. See SEGOC but your opponents will negate first because yours will activate first and chains resolve backwards.

5. Not sure... i think so as long as your opponent does not have a response you should be able to chain...

6. Also if mirror is in response to D you shoudl be bale to but not the other way around because mirror is spell speed 3.

Seek a second opinion on 3, 4 5, and 6 though ^^" Kearowind (talk • contribs) 19:39, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

1 & 2 look good!
3) "Machina Fortress" is like "Cyber Dragon", so "Doomcaliber Knight" won't do anything, but "Thunder King Rai-Oh" can negate the Summon. In general, "Dark Simorgh" is an exception, and shouldn't be compared to anything else.
4) See Card Rulings:Light and Darkness Dragon:
5) Yep, you can do that, as long as you give your opponent the chance to activate something in between. The entire Chain is in response to the Summon, so "Torrential Tribute"'s activation timing is still correct.
6) Yep, that's also possible. You can activate the cards in whatever order you want, since both are Normal Traps. See #5.
--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 20:00, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


1. No, you can't activate Kalut's effect because it activates during the damage step, which face-down Banisher is flipped face-up at the very beginning of the Damage Step.

2. The continuous effect of Rai-Oh does not even allow Gadget to activate its effect, so Doomcaliber Knight does not activate its effect.

3. It cannot negate the special summoning of Machina Fortress because summoning it does not start a chain. It can, however, negate D.D. Survivor's special summoning and keeping it from coming back.

4. If your opponent activates MST while the both of you have LADD, while both of them will be activated simultaneously, in terms of chain-link, your opponent's will be placed right after the MST while yours will be on chain-link 3. Since your LADD is placed incorrectly on the chain, it will not negate the MST, but your opponent's will negate the activation of it's own MST.

5. Yes, the torrential tribute can be activated in response to BTH, and the torrential would activate first, destroying all the monsters on the field first.

6. If it's your opponent's battle phase, and you activate Mirror Force, you can chain it to Dimensional Prison to remove the attacking monster, then the Mirror Force would be destroy all the other attack position monsters. However, if your monster is attacking, and your opponent activates Mirror Force, you cannot activate Dimensional Prison because your opponent is not attacking you.

Hope this Helps! ~YGO Judge #1637~

1) See Breakdown of the Battle Phase. Kalut can be activated during the Sub-Step 1 before Banisher of the Light is flipped by battle which happens later during the Sub-Step 2.
4) It depends what player's turn is. If it is the opponent's turn, then their LADD is chain link 1 and yours is chain link 2. If it is your turn it is the opposite.
5) You mean that Torrential Tribute will resolve first. Not activate first.
ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 00:03, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

yay teamwork....XD so if i am to understand this correctly LADD doesn't try to negate LADD right? Kearowind (talk • contribs) 02:20, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes.-- HHTurtle  (Talk) 02:44, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


guys thanxs 4 th answers, and just 2 confirm the situation, if my oppoent declares attack, i dont activate anything, and my opponent activates book of moon, i can chain dim prison right? Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 00:21, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

yes, you can do that. -dest- (talk • contribs) 02:27, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

No, you can't. You only get one Chain to respond to the attack declaration. If you declare that you don't want to activate anything, then the game advances - you're now no longer acting in response to the attack declaration. Your opponent didn't activate "Book of Moon" in response to the attack declaration, so you can't activate "Dimensional Prison". --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 04:19, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

sorry for that, I confused the order >.< shouldn't post 4:30 in the morning :D-dest- (talk • contribs) 08:43, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

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