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I want this deck to be stronger. I feel as if it is missing something, but I don't know what it is. Any suggestions on what I might need to tinker this deck with?
My Deck
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23 monsters
extra deck
10 spells
10 traps
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In the future, I plan on replacing Rocket Arrow Express with Slifer, as well as adding Numbers 44 and 54 to my extra deck. Thank you if you are able to suggest. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 16:21, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
Replace Kuriboh with Battle Fader, and Muka Muka with Tragoedia. You should throw out Infinite Cards, even if you play Slifer and Tragoedia, it's too specific. Instead, focus on a draw engine to fill up your hand.
Instead of Gamushara, use Magic Cylinder. Double Payback is more of a Side-Deck card. I would recommend more aggressive Traps.
--BronzeJohnson (talk • contribs) 12:20, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I think I should have gone a little more in-depth. I see you want me to replace kuriboh with battle fader, however I see that battle fader's effect is only useful during the time your opponent attacks you directly. What if your opponent decreases all the attack points of the only monster you have to zero and they only have one monster to attack with? Now Lets look at tragoedia, yes its effect is better than Muka Muka, however I would not replace M.M. with him. It is my opinion that if any deck where to have any Lv. 9 or higher monsters, it would work best if it had only one. I would take out R.A.E. if I where to put tragordia in the deck, and it would eventually be replaced with slifer. As for your suggestion about taking out I.C., it would be the power source for both M.M. and slifer. Take it away and you further limit there power more then they already are, 6k atk for slifer and 2.4k atk for M.M.
As for the second part, this deck is not meant to be fully aggressive. Some/most of the cards I include in this deck (for example: Destiny Hero - Defender, Forbidden Lance, and Nordic Relic Laevateinn) are meant for defense. As for Gamushara being replaced by magic cylinder, have you not noticed Mirror Mail? If Mirror Mail, Gamushara, and Forbidden Lance are all used together, you can deal a lot of damage depending on the atking monsters original atk. The same thing can apply if you use just Gamushara and Prideful roar.
And to leave all to think over again weather they know a card they wish to suggest, remember that this is a defensive deck that is also, in some ways, a power-house. the deck is meant to protect your monsters and ether: overpower the opposing force, weaken them, or prevent them from atking. Again, thank you for your suggestions. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 23:14, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
- I think you need to read User:Dark Ace SP/Deck Building Lesson 101. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:31, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
How is this? I just edited it. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 00:26, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
My Deck
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23 monsters
extra deck
10 spells
10 traps
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Your Deck is a pretty good example of the Master of None, which attempts to do a number of things with a number of different cards but doesn't accomplish them consistently. Usually, specialization, though not completely to the point where it could cripple you (even with a Side Deck), would do better. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 01:15, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
What then? was the first deck version better then the new one? Do I still have a bit to know about building a deck? Do i just need to further edit my deck till it works with itself? If you think it is the second, it may be because I'm more of an older Yu-Gi-Oh game player. I have never really gotten use to the new cards. The only reason I use them is because I can learn any deck. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 02:06, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Me and Gadjiltron are trying to say, is that there doesn't seem to be a central point to your deck. We can't seem to find any kind of thread that gives the deck synergy, it just seems like you grabbed a bunch of cards that are alright to great, and put them together. Does that make any sense? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:26, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
Not really. The decks I love to play are more the defensive kind of decks (in my words, the decks that know that they can't get what they want right away), and decks that make you think/strategize ALL THE TIME no mater what you draw. So I stall to the point I bring out one of possibly 10 things that help me win, by a lot. that, and I live in the real world where you are limited to what cards you have. In my case, I have more 1st gen. cards I know I an extremely low chance to beat any kind of deck. this is my currently strongest deck, however I hardly ever use the extra deck:
Hieratic Blue-eyes Photon Dragon
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25 monsters
Extra Deck
10 spells
10 traps
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If you think there are problems with this deck, try building a deck of cards you have that hardly ever came from the internet, because about 90% of the cards i have where all by chance, 9.5% from starter and structure decks, and the last 0.5% from the internet. try building a deck like THAT! --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 03:08, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
- The ever-persistent lack of consistency still holds, but if card availability and budget are constricting you, there's nothing we can really do except give a goal for you as a deckbuilder to work towards. The Decks For Free topic does try to cater to their clients' desires while staying restrained to a budget, giving them reasonable visions of their desired Decks - a goal to achieve without overspending. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 08:38, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
It's not budget that concerns me, it's the fact that i might not have cards people suggest I should use. For example: some random person might suggest that I replace a card for something like Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon if i where building a deck revolving around red-eyes. However, the only red-eyes cards I have are the original Red-Eyes and the chick. If the same person suggest I get some off the internet, I won't be able to. The only way I'd be able to get it is if I trade cards with someone. However, it is highly unlikely they would want 1st gen. cards in exchange for powerful cards, I pretty much believe I don't have anything worth trading anymore. Another reason why I say this is because I am using the cards that some People might be looking for in my many decks.
I hope this helps make it a bit more clear, but the deck I am trying to build is a stall deck with NO clear strategy till I know what kind of deck my opponent is using, then I would be able to use a strategy to win the duel no matter what deck they are using.
Also, sorry for the last post, it seems as if almost no one (if not, no one) is able to understand what limitations I have. Where I live, I don't have access to ANY shops that host tournaments or sell Yu-Gi-Oh cards unlike other people. The first time i was at a tournament, the amount of cards a single person had with them was RIDICULOUS! As for me, I only brought 3 decks with me, all lost every single time. I am pretty much asking for help constructing a deck using what cards i have that could help me even the odds of winning in any tournament to 50-50, yet fit my style of dueling. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 14:31, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
I know that feeling. I don't have many shops nor tournament, hell even people who play near me. That's why I started on Duel Network. It's free and every card is available. That might be a better alternative for you. --BronzeJohnson (talk • contribs) 14:55, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, but even that site has problems with the people. I have tried dueling people, but half the time, they just leave in the middle of the duel. Also, if you don't think you can help me with the deck I originally meant this for, maybe you can help me with a deck I plan on constructing once the new structure deck comes out on September 13th. This is the deck i plan on Building:
Oh Blue-Eyes, my soul
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27 monsters
Extra Deck
10 spells
10 traps
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This is (in my opinion) my best deck on dueling network. however, I find that I am usually use the Original Blue-Eyes when I win. I try to use more than JUST Blue-Eyes to win, but I end up with him on the field 9 times out of 10. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 15:56, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
I would add Strong Wind Dragon and maybe Vice Dragon. Tuners like Influence Dragon or Delta Flyer would enhance the synchro capabilities (Stardust, Exploder Dragonwing). I would leave out Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, because it's very hard to summon (maybe with Summoner of Illusions to summon the Ultimate Dragon). I'm not sure about Damage Condenser, but it seems like a very solid deck to me. --BronzeJohnson (talk • contribs) 16:23, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I can see replacing shining for one of them, but what about the others you suggested? What would I take out to put them in? What would you suggest if I where to replace D.C.? --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 16:31, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Strong Wind Dragon instead of Blue-Eyes Shining, the tuners instead of the Kaibamen. For D.C., I think Mirror force would be good. I just realised how many light monster there are, so Honest would fit perfectly. Why do you have Deck Devastation Virus in there? Generally reduce the traps to only what you really need (test duels will show) and Royal Decree or Trap Stun. Then you'll have enough deck space to include all monsters I've mentioned. --BronzeJohnson (talk • contribs) 17:08, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
The virus is a just-in-case card if I where to ever face an Exodia deck. It was suggested by someone on dueling network. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 17:33, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
I have taken your suggestions into the deck, and this is what I got so far:
Oh Blue-Eyes, My Soul
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Side Deck
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Is there Still anything I might need to change? --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 18:48, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Now it's very good. But I would put the devastation Virus in the Side Deck, considering you don't play many DARK monsters. --BronzeJohnson (talk • contribs) 08:37, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, now all I have to worry about is getting the cards I don't have by trading other people for them. However, I believe it will be more difficult to collect E.D., G.-E.T.D., R.-E.D.M.D., T.D., D.E., 69, and S.W.D. than any others. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 04:21, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
I just remembered about the other deck, and I could still use help with it. While seeking help for the Blue-Eyes deck, I came up with a few things id like to focus on in this deck:
- 1. Have this deck perped to support any of the Divine monsters so I can use one of them in this deck. (doesn't matter which one is used)
- 2. Have this deck revolve around Xyz summoning mainly rank 4 monsters like Utopia.
- 3. Have this deck be able to survive throughout the duel and yet is able to control the field. (effect and atk)
- 4. Have this deck be able to take down almost any deck (mainly the current meta-decks) and yet be able to protect your life points or monsters.
- 5. Alter whatever is in the deck currently so long as the deck would still be able to fit my style of play. (defensive till I obtain a card that could help me win. example: Ultimate Tyranno)
If you can help, I appreciate it. Also for those of you who didn't know what the overall point of the deck was, 5 has the answer. However, that answer is meant for the first deck I posted on this page. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 18:44, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
other wise, if you think there is nothing that can make the deck better, please let me know about that as well. Remember, help will be appreciated. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 01:18, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
If ppl arent posting right now because they don't know what deck from this page I refer to, it is this one:
My Deck
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23 monsters
extra deck
10 spells
10 traps
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Again, help will be appreciated. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 23:02, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Is there nothing you think could be done to the deck? please tell me if it can be updated or something.--I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 02:10, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
Thing is, with the Deck's main idea being having no clear strategy until it knows what the opponent does, we don't have a clear answer as to how to improve the Deck substantially. Remember the purpose of the Side Deck is to help the Deck cover its weaknesses in its strategy in the off chance that the opponent somehow manages to exploit that, or to exploit weaknesses in certain opponents' strategies. Keep this in mind, develop a better focus rather than your current one, and perhaps you might get better responses to improving the Deck. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 04:40, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
Ok then, I'll forget about trying to update it. how about this deck?
The Magical Lock-down
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this is one of my best decks, however i realize that it is using cards that will be band. please help me find cards that are an equivalent to the cards that will be band. for example: find an equivalent to Monster Reborn. --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 15:21, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
Call of the Haunted is a quick replacement to Monster Reborn. You only get to target your Graveyard, but at least you can force a Replay with it. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 17:26, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
Because you are running 3 Peten, a "Foolish Burial" may be a card to consider, useful in many builds, or perhaps The "Armageddon Knight".
N Kram (talk • contribs) 19:10, August 28, 2013 (UTC)N KramN Kram (talk • contribs) 19:10, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
This would be a quick method for summoning your "Blizzard Princess".
N Kram (talk • contribs) 19:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)N KramN Kram (talk • contribs) 19:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
Are you in need of any traps/spells/monsters that you do not currently own? I can send you some from the previous standard, like The "Bottomless Traphole"(DB2/LON), or The "Gold Sarcophagus"(SE) if you like, I have many extra (and others) not currently in use.
N Kram (talk • contribs) 19:18, August 28, 2013 (UTC)N KramN Kram (talk • contribs) 19:18, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
