Forum:Restrict Honest?

I find this card pretty annoying. I mean, this card is like having a sakuretsu armor in hand and if that weren't enough you also achieve to cause some damage, usually about 1500 or so... I think this card should get semi-limited.

85.48.47.153 11:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• I think it should be banned myself (for a card called Honest it encourages rather dishonest gameplay), but no one cares what I think. :P Danny Lilithborne 12:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

This card should be semi-limited for limited. My brother uses 3 in his deck and gets them back through his 3 Beckoning Light. He waits till I declare an attack, uses Beckoning Light and then uses Honest during the damage step. It makes me so mad. >_> Animedude3000 14:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I run Honest in both my Anti-Meta and Lightsworn deck. This card is beyond overpowered. It should probably be semi-limited, but then Lightsworns would get hit really hard and you'll see Dark Armed Teleport and Gladiator Beasts dominating even more. I'm all for limiting Honest in some way, but Konami/Upper Deck need to find a way to balance the game so that we don't have a ton of the same deck types at tournaments. -- Sub 20:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)d

• No matter how they try to balance it, there will always be someone to find a gamebreaking combo and make it popular. Then all the netdeckers would copy that person and presto. All the same decktype. Seems like netdecking is an incurable disease. --Gadjiltron 09:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

you people are all stupid it should be limited not semi limited

I do agree that it should be limited, but thats just my opinion since my deck has tons of LIGHT cards and I dont like paying loads of moolah for three honests >.>. That why I only have one honest, anyway. I want DAD to be forbidden, though. Shoukatsuryou 05:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• No matter what happens later, Honest should never be Limited or Forbidden. I am of the first to admit the card is seriously broken, but it also is the core and powerhouse of 75% of Anti-Meta, not to mention a much-needed support for the otherwise unsupported LIGHT attribute. So, what? Ban Honest, then DARK decks, Gladiators and Plants/Spellcsters run rampart. Then we're all like "BAN this, BAN that"...that's not a way to think. If Honest is banned, all LIGHT decks die, and MANY players are left very unhappy. Honest will be never banned, for the same reason Allure will be never banned. It is useful for a lot of duelists. Instead of complaining about its status, we should all try and find counters to Honest, and to all decks that are gonna be played, since this format promises to be really unpredictable. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 23:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I think Covah's got a pretty good point,cause I can think of at least three counters to Honest, Thestalos, Trap Dustshoot, and Mind Crush. Monarch1 16:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

• And don't forget Divine Wrath, Gladiator Beast War Chariot and my personal favorite, Reverse Trap. Just try playing it some time. It is LOADS of fun. You can't play it in the Damage Step, but when they attack with a 1000 ATK monster your 2400 ATK Monarch, for instance, you know they have Honest. So just play that Reverse Trap after they declare the attack and watch the horror in their eyes as they realise they've just commited suicide xD. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 17:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

YESSSS

I think they should because i lost to a guy running full light swarn. I had an arcanite Magician on the field and he had a rycoo. He dropped three honest on a rycoo and attacked my arcanite. What kind of bullshit is that. That was the match that putt me in to the finals:( everyone has a good point but they have already banned/limited cards essential to "meta" like dad teleport bestiarri i think limiting honest would balance out all the decks that are popular

70.245.207.244 14:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)Six sam master

Banning Honest is as most have stated a serious problem. However he should be limited or at the very least semi limited.

Someone mentioned on how Honest will never be banned for the same reason Allure of Darkness wont be banned. Well allure is semi limited and I believe so should honest. Maybe even limited since its alot easier to get honest back from the graveyard than it is to get Allure back.

Or they should at least create a more effective counter to honest. Something that can punish the oppenent for using him the same way theres lots of ways of punishing someone for using a DAD or Judgment.

And for everyone defending Honest.. Why is it that Honest holds this place where everyone crys bloody murder when a discussion comes up about it getting restricted while there wasn't nearly as much debate for the other meta types getting their trump cards limited. Steelfallenangel 17:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

About what Covah said, Reinforcement of the Army was VERY useful for many, many duelists. Now look at it, its limited. why? Because it was abused by some gamebreaking deck. Shoukatsuryou 12:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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• I think that this new Konami era will try and supress abused cards instead of banning them. Take DAD for example. Everyone wanted it banned, but Konami was smart and limited it. I think that if a card is abused, semi-limit it. If that fails, limit it. I believe no cards should be banned, except for a select few, such as Change of Heart, Delinquent Duo, etc. Honest should be semi'd, IMO. --bewk (talk | contribs) 21:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

fffffff

@Darth Covah what are you talking about light monsters has plenty of support if should be at least limited since you can easily bring it back from your grave

Ryko Killed my Five headed dragon because of honest :(

• Honest is the most hateful card that Kazuki made, it is what in the top of the list said, it is like a Sakuretsu including the effect of Magic Cylinder but the worst is that you can’t destroy it easily and it’s effect is activate in the Damage Step. For me Honest doesn’t have to be limited or forbidden, it have to be illegal. Paladin endymion 01:50, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

@paladin endymion: sure is butthurt in here. Maybe you should go back to using your zombies somewhere else, no one wants to hear your complain. If anything should be banned, it should be plaguespreader and mezuki. - Wiiject, 9:30 am, January 8th, 2010

What wrong with that famous card; Enemy Controller? It can screw up your Light opponent up horrible... Since Honest only work on ATK.--FredCat100 17:39, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

the fact that you cant do that is one of the reasons to in my oppinon semi Honest, you cant use that beacsue honest is activated in the damage step. The best counter to honest is a good divine wrath since its good for more than just that.

True that enemy controller wont work but

Reverse Trap should. Unless Im wrong I believe reverse trap meets all the requirements for activating in response to Honest in the damage step since it does effect damage. And if it does chain to honest your oppenent will be basically having the exact reverse effect. Losing there monster and taking your monsters attack. At least thats likely since honest is normally used on a weak lyla or something to take out a 2800 or 3000 beatstick.

They can take it out fairly easily since its a trap but even if they attempt to take it out you can chain it to at least keep them from being able to use honest in that turn Steelfallenangel 08:15, January 11, 2010 (UTC) not unless if your opponent has trap stun then your screwed

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One more Anti-Honest

Book of Moon people... let us not forget that they can't attack if their monster is facedown...

While we're at it, Enemy Controller gets them into a position where Honest can't help them. --Gadjiltron 10:39, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, at least Semi it, I mean, yeah its really powerful, but it is an essential to a few powerful decks.--BassNettoHikari2 21:27, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Honest is already Semi-Limited.-- HHTurtle  (Talk) 07:44, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Limit it! Limit it!

Honest should be limited. Even dropping 2 at a time can be potentially fatal, since you lose the attacking monster's attack, and your attacked monster's atk. Also, Monster Reincarnation bounces it back to the hand, and even with beckoning light weaker, it still retrieves. Also, you can CotH him, and then use his effect to bounce him back. EVEN AT 2 HE IS TOO STRONG!!! Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 03:21, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Honest+The Creator+Fabled Monsters = Honest abuse!!!-HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 03:25, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

The "Honest" Truth

People bitch and complain about honest all the time, ooh its too good, oooh it should be banned. really honest is definitely good, but only in select few decks...mainly Lightsworn or Fairy Beatdown. It's not a universal card that goes great in EVERY deck, even though people make it seem like it is. Other cards in the current list like Grand Mole, Plaguespreader, & Goyo Guardian are great additions to any deck. But restricting Honest to 1, kills it completely rendering it really useless. I can understand semi limiting JD and restricting Lumina, but restricting Honest would be a really foolish and stupid move. Automation44 (talk • contribs) 06:46, July 16, 2010 (UTC)Automation44

Right now there's no need to further restrict honest, it could be abused, though not in a game breaking way, and Lightsworns are not too much of a threat now, (specially if they limit JD) I hope they don't further restrict it, because I'm needing a second copy for my spirits deck (I love his combo with Asura Priest).HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 14:55, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Honest isn't splashable, but in the select decks he works in, he is deadly. There are only two counters for him, that I know. You can't even counter honest with honest, as the first person gets the additional attack from the second honest that was discarded. Divine Wrath and Reverse Trap are the only cards that work against him. The other thing that completely disrupts the game is the fact that you get to deal a direct attack to your opponent, destroy one monster on their field, and become untouchable one your opponent's turn, making it completely overpowered and broken. Asura Prist combos are nice, but you do only need a 700 ATK boost. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 16:13, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

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deadly ? just deadly? it can roll over the whole duel!!! it is like giving a monster you have the ability to destroy any monster (that can be accepted) , and also to attack your opponent directly in the same time with any monster (that can't be accepted), also i think there is no other monster card that can destroy other monsters by just discarding it!!!!! i think there isn't a card that can do such effect for any other attributes , even change of heart or pot of greed can be much less dangerous and they are banned!!!!! this card should be limited , one is very enough in the deck.

Why'd you necrobump this? And why did you also not sign your posts? Two birds with one stone? --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 05:29, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

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