Forum:Yugiohs gotten depressing

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i dono ever since i started with the whole pro yugioh thing like goin to locals makin a good deck and duelin alot more to win instead of having fun. yugiohs gotten....boring like when i first started as a kid it was amazing because alot of people had different decks and it was a thrill to duel someone new but now when i duel a deck thats "original" its too easy to beat and the only challenge i get is either a mirror match or some meta deck and its not fun anymore because im not on my toes anymore its just "oh red eye darkness metal dragon spam some dragons blah blah blah" or an infernity otk. what r your guy's oppinions? ever since you started pro dueling has yugioh gotten boring or exciting? Raiga 01:35, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

It's still exciting. Especially when you see their expression of sadness and what the hell expression. Still they get over it and it's still fun because no one tells you how to customize your deck. So yeah. Fallensilence 01:37, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

raiga i felt the same the last months, so i created an exodia deck, cause u dont now wat u'll draw, how u'll draw, or when u will draw it, so i recomend u make an exodia dek, or if not try 2 change the opponents, like i have a friend who uses toons, and he kicks ass. btw, the best cure for depression is 2 watch YGOTAS, or 2 watch the first 2 seasons of GX ;D Pato M 01:45, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Depressing? No, not necessarily. A tad annoying? Possibly. I still see some sparks of originality at my locals, and I enjoy creating new decks--Akiza Izayoi 01:48, June 21, 2010 (UTC)ks and combinations and testing them against Meta decks.

Is everyone's spelling getting worst or what? The only thing that ticks me off in yugioh is typos in the card. Fallensilence 01:53, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

The thing that amuses me is the number of typos in your previous post, Fallensilence. :p--Akiza Izayoi 02:13, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

I personally think that the show hit rock bottom once they made 5Ds. I mean, turbo duels? Synchro Monsters? Tuners? Whatever happened to the good old days, where YuGiOh was simple and much less confusing? DarkusMaster 02:19, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


agrred, CARD GAMES ON SKATES!!!!!!!!!! but it could be worsePato M 02:23, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

This is why I've been building Decks. To experiment, to create, to pretty much keep alive one of the few things that keeps the game fun. I don't have all that much money, so everything's in the drawing boards. --Gadjiltron 06:19, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

I got my Yugioh depression when people started building winning decks over and over again. I know there are subtle diffrencenes in between those decks, but they contain the same winning card and/or stragety. I just wished that winning decks weren't copyed by everyone, cause I also want to see a lot more deck orginality. This kinda goes with what Raiga was saying in his first post.

I'm also depressed about Yugioh's TCG and OCG cards come (roughly about 70%) strait from the show/ manga. I know there most Archtypes come from the show/ manga (I know some archtypes don't, like Koa'ki Meiru), but I really want to see some other Archtypes that were created from people that play TCG and OCG, not from the show/ manga. --97.118.230.173 07:57, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Make decks that have a fail concept! And then MAKE IT WORK! xDDD Got the greatest feeling when you win with them... Akyrix 10:18, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yes, the amazement and humiliation I felt when my Chain Burn Deck got thwarted by a successful Huge Revolution... --Gadjiltron 12:07, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

It gets annoying once you don't have anybody to duel for the summer. :( Fallensilence 17:16, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

@DarkusMaster, you said turbo duels, meaning yo've probably watched the dubbed version, watch the Japanese version subbed and then tell me you're still depressed, if you are, go watch a good movie. I suggest Toy Story 3. great movie. Adamtheamazing64 22:39, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I never said I was depressed with the Anime. It just got confusing when turbo duels, Synchros, etc. were added. DarkusMaster 00:45, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Synchros just makes the game awesome. Fallensilence 00:45, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Meh. I could say otherwise, even though I own two: Stardust Dragon and Ancient Fairy Dragon. They aren't easy to summon. My only tuners are Morphtronic Scopen and Alien Ammonite. DarkusMaster 00:52, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. You should get some more tuners. Fallensilence 00:57, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Buy a starter deck 2010 and some packs to get more, heck even go on ebay to get some more tuners, not that hard to get dude. Adamtheamazing64 03:46, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Argh it's hard to find the new starter deck these days. Fallensilence 04:32, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

really? My target has like 20 right in front of the store, even in the back where they keep the toys and games aisle, I find old starter decks like the E Hero one, Syrus, and Structure decks like dinosaur and Machine revolt. Should not be hard to find dude. Adamtheamazing64 16:24, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

My target doesn't. It only has one Machina Mayhem in stock left and no starter deck whatsoever. Fallensilence 17:52, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Highly unexpected from target. usually the number 1 place for tcg, next to hobby shops. What about walmart? Adamtheamazing64 00:06, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Nothing except a few booster packs for the shining darkness and one yusei fudo 2 tin. Fallensilence 17:31, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

A little unrelated, but they sell little to nothing when it comes to YGO here in Australia. They only usually have the newest structure deck, a tin, and two boosters. If you look around enough, you find more, but usually, that's about it. Back on topic, I'm glad I don't play YGO with people who stick with the metagame archetypes. --HybridDragoness 10:43, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't that a little insulting? I mean what so bad about metagame archetypes? Fallensilence 17:31, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

woah alot of comments o_O anyways i bought 3 duelist tool box decks and made pretty sweet synchron deck with some of my own cards and im havin some fun with it im used to blackwings and a switch of play styles made me wanna play yugioh again goin from strong beat down monsters to weak monsters is pretty interesting lol and i agree with fallen dont bitch about metas bitch at traditional decks :D Raiga 22:24, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh has gotten much more interesting for me when I started dueling competitively many years ago. You make so many new friends and get this feeling that you're part of something big. It's only depressing when your in a loosing streak or your deck got destroyed by the ban list. -bewk 23:11, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


I get depressed when using a deck that I built from scratch and really put my heart into making and then going up against a deck with a huge load of destruction cards. Y'know, stuff like Sakuretsu Armor x3, Exiled Force, Lightning Vortex, etc. I can't even attack without having my monsters get blown off the field. EgyptianGods 03:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I know that kind of deck. I went back and FTK the guy with my Empty Jar deck.-- HHTurtle  (Talk) 05:15, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Heavy Storm's always good with these kinds of situation unless STARDUST comes by. Fallensilence 18:27, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Idk i always run around here and make weird decks and im always up for a duel just for fun,like a lot of people i dont have much money but ill play anyone online or on wifi i only played yu-gi-oh to be with friends and relax and challnge my mind and no one should have to feel bad about losing to a bunch of destruction and total non-original decks because seriously "most"people like that even though they do win....they really have no lives...or gfs......so kinda always remember that and make sure do duel and love the game with friends,oh and as mentioned if anyone just wants to play for fun against some original decks of mine just ask for my yahoo or wifi friend code.Raventheblack (talk • contribs) 05:48, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Have you ever tried making a character's deck like Yugi's or something like that? Those are always fun to make. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 12:37, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with that one fallen. I have a 100% Yusei deck up to TSHD. It works perfectly against any of the 30 decks my brother uses. It's only weak against Infernity and Blackwings, which I run. Adamtheamazing64 (talk • contribs) 16:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I can say it's gotten depressing because at my local store, it isn't just normal tournaments, and I'm constantly trying to build new decks, improve current ones, and trying to win at the same time... IonCharge (talk • contribs) 17:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

@ Raventheblack
I am stunned by your post. Are you saying that all duelists who are better than you are all lifeless dorks? Talk about stereotyping. Almost every duelist I know has a girlfriend, and has more to their life than just Yu-Gi-Oh!. Yes, there are some 40-year-old guys who are all about the game, but they are the minority by far. If anything, playing in tournaments can give you dozens of new friends and sharpen your mind.
Please refrain from saying something so insanely arrogant which gravely insults the legion of duelists who can beat you in a card game. -bewk 01:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

@IonCharge. I thought the point of yugioh was to build decks, improve decks, and win tourneys. If you're against all that, then quit. I'm just saying, it won't change at all. Adamtheamazing64 (talk • contribs) 02:26, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, typo there, I meant to say can't say :p

To respond to the forum, yugioh is a game that is paradoxical; it's a card game that encourages players to pay lots of money and spend lots of time involved in it (hence the wiki and ebay listings) and yet it has a TV anime, a young playerbase and toys marketed as such. Here's where it gets complicated: there are changes from the OCG to TCG; there are separate lists of cards available for play in official tournaments, card arts are altered (censoring) and it takes months for OCG cards to be printed for TCG play and vice versa. In addition, cards become very expensive very quickly for two reasons: the packs/tins/whatever they come in are expensive ($4 a pack? What are we buying, gallons of gas/cartons of cigarrettes/gallons of milk?) and trading lots of common cards for rarer ones is basically impossible; the common cards are cheap and be bought in bulk from retailers while rarer cards are rarer, which drives their prices up. Between the cost problems (which Konami should fix) and the card availability problems (which they should fix), many players brought into the game by the anime or friends find it hard to balance originality/fun with winning when winning = money. Zeroblizzard (talk • contribs) 03:46, July 1, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard
Cost problems could be fixed by dropping the price of a booster to $2/$3 (lunch money), 7 packs for $10 (allowance/job money), 30 packs for $40 (medium sized gift), structure decks down to $5/$7 (enough for at least once a week), tins down to $10/$15. Zeroblizzard (talk • contribs) 03:46, July 1, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard
Card availability problems could be fixed by the cost fixes mentioned above and by making more cards available. Gold Series are great, but they're two step forward and 2 1/2 steps back; they allow kids to get rare cards (one step forward) for a relatively cheaper price (the final step forward) but are still expensive ($20?, WTF?, the first step back), have a lot of common cards in them that are good reprints but are relatively common (smashing ground? heavy storm? wtf?, another step back) and are printed in gold rare rarity(which promotes collectors to jack up prices but allows people to trade cards for something even though the rarer commons are practically worthless (hence, tradebait); a final half step back). Zeroblizzard (talk • contribs) 03:46, July 1, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard
Competitive yugioh sucks for me; I had to pull off some weird trades and buys to get a decent Extra Deck (Goyo, 2 Stardust, Black Rose, Android, Gottoms, Red Dragon and I still would like at least one Mist Wurm, 2 Armory Arms. I'm not even hoping for a Catastor or a Brionac.) and my main decks shift between Flamvell Cat and Hand Return (think tuners, Gravekeeper's Guard, Gale Lizard, Penguin Soldier, Morphing Jar 2, etc.). Zeroblizzard (talk • contribs) 03:46, July 1, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

No its not

If the game has gotten depressing for you, then you have lost the spirit of the game, it is only a game after all, its not the end of the world or something. Look at Jaden in season 4. The game depressed him, but all he needed was a good duel to remind him that dueling is meant to be fun!! Find some new people, just remember, its a effin game, its meant to be fun--BassNettoHikari2 (talk • contribs) 00:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Just don't do it on a motorcycle. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 05:57, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed with BassNettoHikari2. Also, don't try to create a school dedicated to those card games (on motorcycles) --HybridDragoness (talk • contribs) 10:52, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, though, Jaden had been dueling with the fate of the entire universe hinging on the success of his dueling. No doubt something like this for a kid (Yusei's too old, Yugi has a 5000-year-old spirit of a pharaoh with him) his age would be taxing on his mind. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 11:13, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, to get around all the infernities, sabers, blackwings, and various cat decks that people use just to win tournaments, I like to create a Deck that's original and good, and completely whoop those people back in to shape. Personnaly, the only thing that makes Yu-Gi-Oh! frustrating for me is when people build Decks or maximize the effectiveness of completely broken cards, like D-Prison, Lightning Vortex, Rescue Cat, Black Whirldwind, Infernity Launcher, Faultroll, etc. It'd be nice if people didn't waste hundreds of dollars just to make a tournament winning-Deck that everyone is using. Just show up the people at the tournaments with either a custom Deck you've made, or an anti-meta Deck and rub it in their faces when you win ^.^ Just kidding. Good Luck. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 20:24, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Personally I don't like to see people try to win instead of having of fun but they did work hard to make the deck so yeah I let them have their fun. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 01:41, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

It's getting lame if everyone is like everybody

Did you ever experienced that you made an "original" deck but it is already existed? I built my own "original" deck about dragons back then. I'm pretty sure that I thought about it myself but someone told me that it was called "Disaster Dragon Deck"! Time passed I build another about fairies, little did I know my "original" build is really a "Herald of Perfection deck"! It is pretty lame when all you're facing are builds borrowed from someone else's idea. Where are the creativity back from the old days? I'm not saying that it is getting boring but the flow of the game changed dramatically nowadays. --SilentHero26 (talk • contribs) 07:46, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I still have my creativity. Check out my page. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 16:25, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm depressed about my player selection

I like Yugioh, always have always will. But I'm really bumed out about the number of players that actually play yugioh where I live. There's myself and my brother. 2 bad players, and 2 players that just kinda play yugioh casually (cause they play Magic: The Gathering hardcore). That's it! What also depresses me is there are no card shops that specialize in yugioh near me. The actual ones are 15-20 miles away from where I live.

Not only am I stuck with low player selection to duel against, but any yugioh specific shops are too far away from me; limiting my card selection even further. --184.96.208.206 (talk) 02:27, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

indeed SilentHero26, indeed. though what disgusts me most are those who enter tourneys with an "original" deck and, albeit competetive and he/she competent, behave in an arrogant and rude manor, spouting such tripe as "get this guys deck a body bag" while laughing in his opponents face. this happened to my friend Kyle, who introduced me to Yugioh, and its wrong. this type of behavior is unacceptable to me and no duelist should be subjected to this from such uncouth, unoriginal, and unfriendly tier-wh*res who care for winning and nothing more. also, regarding your comment about facing decks with "builds borrowed from someone else's idea" , you have to expect that people who are avid Yugioh players/builders (in my case both, though much more time spent building lol) to create decks based on new (or old/combinations thereof) with the cards they choose to use. i myself am in the process of finishing my own perfect herald build which i am about to top off with common charities and a 2nd light of redemption to hopefully deal with its hand depletion issue.

Ha ha :D I know what you mean, There is nowhere to buy cards around my place, so I pretty much have to dream up a deck idea and find the cards on ebay, I wish Yugi's grandpa would open a kame game shop here... I force my brothers to play with some random set of cards dating back to when yu gi oh began. The sad thing is they actually beat me! :D Oh well, north-east England FTW. Penguin Soldier (talk • contribs) 09:10, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

originality

Considering that i've had 18 decks at a given time built, it all depends on you. I mean, i still go to the local tournaments, but only to trade and hang out. most of the time i'll just kick it in a corner with some friends and goof off with cards. sure i can build a tournament level blackwing or infernity, i have all of the materials, but i make fun builds that slow down a bit for just playing. If you worry too much about your tournament ranking, you have a chance of losing your spirit for the game, so just kick back once in a wile and don't sweat making top 8, just have fun. Shadowfox337 (talk • contribs) 10:50, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

the point

in the past, konami produces Yu-Gi-Oh! duel monsters cards that is actualy produced to improve the game, and for the buyers to have quality time of playing. now, konami is just producing cards for money, and not for the quality any more. think about it, their was this old times that buying a booster pack excites you since you know that each cards can be beneficial and can fit to any deck, but those old times are gone..... new cards now a days really sucks!! look, cards that can't be used if you don't have his own whole clan implemented on you're deck? sucks!!! the worst thing that made yugioh into just a milking cow busyness is the very time, "Archetype" idea has been implemented.... since then, you have to buy a thousands of boosters just to have something beneficial..(1 or 2 cards?)... the archetype thingy leads the players to forcefully abandon their old decks and total edit a new one, for the fact that archetypes boust the olds and without building an archetype yadayada deck, those new cards are worthless. and then after a hard time building a deck of trashy archetype cards, you'll realize that you didn't collected enough of the archetype you're building, causing you to buy more, then instantly its just a game of card hunt and fortune waste......you might argue that you build a mix deck, but hey, try reviewing it, it might just be a soso deck claimed original but actualy built from meta/archetype strategy fragments. and look, their's no brain on building a deck anymore, the card's archetype name would just sprout their groupings, bla bla bla..... and poof! you have a deck... the truth is, yugioh already is on its own perfection after Yugi Mouto's arc ended, thats why Kazuki takahashi never created a sequel for it.., it is soiled after konami tried to re continue the game and the anime just to save the whole tcg business, and from then on it sucks..the game isn't pleyed by the gamers anymore, its the game that is toying with us all now....nice......and for what? money....


P.S. hey! if someone questions my point, "i'm a duelist too!!! a duelist that is actually struggling on his dragon deck against heroglyph, six sum, and d world, since my self costomized Dragonic Legion deck isn't holding on its footing anymore..."

sincerely;bryanmerel


Yugioh in local tournament as gotten more boring, because of people making 95% success rate FTK. If this only happen once its find and really funny, if it happens to many times it is not funny anymore, and it is also boring. A 95% success rate FTK deck is only 95% strategy, and 5% luck base. A Good yugioh deck that would never be boring would be the one that involve 50% strategy and 50% luck base. Since you can never predict who will win.96.44.92.186 (talk) 13:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


PS: It's a luck and strategy card game, it is never meant to be just a strategy card game.96.44.92.186 (talk) 13:34, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe, but the reason decks are meta is because they don't have high luck percentages, meta decks are meta because they are consistent at what they do, which is why people use them, if it was 50% luck based, it wouldn't be a good pick for a YCS or a Locals in which you are actually trying to win.

---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 14:47, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yep definately luck based. Especially if you take out all the pot of dualities, sangans, other generic (non-universal) searchers, reiforcements of the army, shien's smoke signal, and all the other version of it for different archetypes. Well then you have to really on luck at some point.

Kordeleski (talk • contribs) 00:27, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

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