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{:User:Wasn't/Archives} "Rules"/"Facts"(I think)

  • I like it like this; it's a lot easier.
  • You can say whatever you want: be rude, fight, argue, vote, rate, comment, even curse, quote, research, greet, interview, etc regardless of language (use) since it's only "humans" on this, but no real-life committing suicide. "Japanese people" love killing themselves over their honer, etc; I'm not sure about now and/or people like them.
  • Sign and date your post (talks).
  • I'm still researching on "Fairy Archer, "Attribute Reptiles" so if...
  • I don't have [multi-(sub)accounts] like "FredCat", "Dinoguy", etc..
  • People with unusual names like "FredCat", "Dinoguy", "Wasn't", etc are also "humans"
  • Don't edit on, above, and under "{:User:Wasn't/Archives}" ▲2 "== Card Rulings talk:Phantom of Chaos =="
  • No false and/or fake claim(s), complaint(s), idea creditor(s).
  • God knows.
  • last, I don't know too much about yugioh.wikia.com nor do I know how to change colour(s), font(s), style(s), background(s), etc.

● These idea Credits goes to "FredCat"; i got it from him without asking him/her's...

Card Rulings talk:Phantom of Chaos

Hi! This is about the question you left on Card Rulings talk:Phantom of Chaos.

  1. Yes, "Phantom of Chaos"'s name will become "Elemental Hero Bubbleman". "Phantom of Chaos" copies all of "Elemental Hero Neo Bubbleman"'s effects, including the one that treats it as "Elemental Hero Bubbleman".
  2. Yes, you still have to pay costs.

Also, it's usually better to ask questions on the Forum. Not only is it specifically set up for people to answer your questions, but it gets more traffic, so you'll probably get a faster answer. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 09:36, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Also, about your question (I think it was yours?) about "Chain Material"... if you're using the effect of "Chain Material", then it changes how "Chain Material" works. You use what's written on "Chain Material", not what's on "Super Polymerization". Thus, you don't use "from either side of the field"; instead, you use "from your side of the field, Deck, hand or Graveyard". --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 09:50, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yep, you'd still double "Cyber Twin Dragon"'s ATK and everything. "Chain Material" only replaces the text that says where you can grab the Materials from (err, and where they go). --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 04:52, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Double Tributers

While it is true that that would be the case, that is not the page to put it on. The Six Attributes page is SPECIFICALLY about the six attribute monsters themselves, not about strategies or uses for them. Put that on the Wicked Gods page if it isn't there already. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 23:08, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 03:02, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Its your prerogative to add in that information, not mine. And no, I'm not a researcher. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:07, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Contradiction between OCG/TCG and its Actual Card Text

I think we're going to devolve into semantics at this point, but...

"Phantom of Chaos" copies the effect of the monster -- as in, it copies the effect's cost, the effect's activation conditions, and the effect's effect. See Card Rulings:Neo-Spacian Dark Panther, since the two work the same way. So yes, "Phantom of Chaos" copies "The effect of "Fairy Archer" can only be used once per turn.". "Phantom of Chaos" gains access to the following:

During your Main Phase, you can inflict 400 damage to your opponent for each face-up LIGHT monster you control. This card cannot attack during the same turn you activate this effect. Only one "Fairy Archer" can have its effect activated per turn.

This is the effect of "Fairy Archer". It can only be activated once per turn. --Deus Ex Machina ✉ 01:18, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

As I said, "Phantom of Chaos" also copies activation costs and activation conditions. See Card Rulings:Neo-Spacian Dark Panther. If you copy "Exiled Force", then you have to pay the cost and Tribute "Phantom of Chaos". If you copy "Hand of the Six Samurai", then you can only activate the effect if you control another "Six Samurai" monster. If you copy "Fairy Archer", then you can only activate the effect once per turn. --Deus Ex Machina ✉ 11:36, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Wicked Gods/Double Coston

I personally see the piece of information about the Wicked Gods and Double Coston as common knowledge, however, if you want to, you can go to the Wicked Gods page and see that it says: 


Double Coston, while being neither of these, counts as two tributes, which is excellent as it reduces the Gods back down to two tributers.

Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 16:39, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Also, do not take my removing of the information from the Six Attributes page as something I "love to do". I was merely removing information that didn't belong on that particular page. Its like I'm out to get you or something ridiculous like that. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 19:02, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean about Vassal. Also:

He/She does the same with mines so your not alone; he love deleting regardless of efforts spent on even though he has a good reason. I think we should delete some of his hard work, just kidding--Wasn't (talk • contribs) 06:00, December 21, 2010 (UTC).

Do not act as though I'm out to get you. I'm merely trying to make sure that the information put up is accurate and where it is supposed to be. The user who made the second "des frog otk" page was duplicating an already made page. Oh, and the tip you put on the Gravekeeper's Vassal page somehow bolded itself, just to make you aware. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 17:56, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Leave the text unbolded. And I understand what you said, but tips need to be as general as possible; the tip on Vassal's page can apply to any high attack monster, not just Armityle. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 01:45, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Because its my talk page, and I like to keep it as cleared as possible. What difference does it make? Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:23, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why else would I remove content from a talk page? Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:28, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Six Attribute Template

Stop adding the word "romanticize" to the template. The word "romanized" is correct, as it essentially means translated. Romanticize, according to Merriam-Webster, means "Deal with or describe in an idealized or unrealistic fashion", which is not what the sentence is supposed to say. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:33, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

The word romanized needs the "d" to be past tense... Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:44, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
Any language with roots in Latin is called a "romance" language, so the word romanize is correct. And here are the correct definitions.

( often lowercase ) to render in the Latin alphabet, esp. a language traditionally written in a different system, as Chinese or Japanese.

to make romantic; invest with a romantic character: Many people romanticize the role of an editor.


Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:50, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to start an argument when we don't have to. Just leave the text alone; the person who is apparently in charge of the template (Dinoguy) wants it to read "romanized", so lets just leave it that way, okay? Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:54, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty then... Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 19:02, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I'm not "in charge" of the template... though I may be somewhat aggressive in my reverts. ;) As for "romanized" versus "romanticized", I have always heard the former used to adjectivally describe text transliterated into the Latin alphabet, and this fits the pattern started with "romanization", which describes both the process itself and the resulting text (it's further supported by the fact that the Wikipedia article I linked to uses "romanized" itself). "Romanticize(d)" and "romanticization" may well be alternate ternimology with the same meanings in some dialect of English, but most English speakers will much more readily recognize and correctly interpret "romanize(d)"/"romanization". 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 19:57, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Talk page Error

Next time, if you wanna shove something like that in someone's Talk page, DON'T! Do that again, and I will report. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 21:46, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

If you need to record something like that, get note on the computer, it can hold anything here there. Or at least put it in your User Page or here, since those are your only legal permission to place the copied version. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 22:25, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Theory of Yusei turn Evil

I know, but it's just a theory, that mean it may never true. I put it up because Atem (Yami Yugi) and Judai have turned bad for short time. (Atem only lasted 1 episode and Judai went on for few episodes, only dueled twice so far) Therefore the reason why I set this theory up as Yusei may becoming villain in later season. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 16:32, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Template

We can put it in, it just has to fit the parameters of the template i think. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:39, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Blue Rose Dragon Ruling

The reason why he deleted it, because it's not OCG/TCG card yet. Therefore it's only activate on Gallery/Appearance/Trivia. Sorry about that, buddy, but he's right. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 19:55, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, but for now, it's not exist as real card. It's only Anime-Version right now. If you find a card that exist in OCG/TCG, you can add whatever you like as you tried to do on Blue Rose Dragon. And next time, if you have new something to talk, please click "Leave Message". If you had same old topic, just click "Edit" next to one you were continuing to talk about. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 20:16, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Rulings pages are only used for real cards. Plus the rulings must be taken from an official source. See Project:Card Rulings for more information. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:57, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
The rulings would have to be taken from the official OCG rulings site. We don't use unofficial ones. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:07, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Blackwing Dragon

You will inflict 3000 because that is the ATK lost by that monster because of this effect. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:46, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Malefic Cyber End Dragon

It is not released until February 26th. That image is just a pic from a scan of a magazine. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 16:02, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Curiously, both the OCG and TCG versions of Malefic Cyber End will be released in February 26th. See the release dates there. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 16:42, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
Shriek and Manjoume's pages. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 16:56, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
I said that Malefic Cyber End pic is a scan from a magazine, not the card itself. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Talk: Clock Resonator

Maybe he would be base on timing, as he could rewind the battle and bring the Synchro Monster that destroy last minute back to the field and try again, or something similar to that. I only tell base on his name and looking. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 16:12, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Talk or Forum

Next time if you asking question, please visit Forum page (simple if you're read here, just scroll up to top of this page and click "Forum" just next to Edit/Leave Message button) and answer any question that match the list from there. I answered your question in Forum; Forum:Phantom of Chaos Question --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 18:10, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

They included various way to do that way and this way. Never let the cover judged. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 18:23, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Tip Page

Please cease your work on that page, or you will suffering some hard ways. I just warning you if you continued that way. You're just put it wrong way. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 02:13, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I am well-aware of that. But you're just making other users not happy. So please cease doing that. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 02:21, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Still, you're pretty pissing him out. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 02:37, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
I am part of cat, I can sense his anger easily. So you should listen to him. "Someone never understand" is just what making emotion easily. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 02:46, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Instinct... act like real cat's instinct, I can sense the danger quicker, much faster than regular human catch up. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 02:51, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
He have "User" in his link, so type his name ain't work. And he's working his ass off on this site as we speak. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 02:55, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
I knew... but still, don't put up something that can make users disagreed with what you doing. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 04:17, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nope...

I'm not a Wikia web designer. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 04:05, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

"All of YGO" or "All YGO" shouldn't be needed...or would you find another game with all same things like Yu-Gi-Oh!? It's just that. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 05:33, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Yet it is not needed, since those details would not change from a series to another. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 05:43, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Hyper Librarian

  • Well, if you're going to edit on this place, it wouldn't be too much to ask to learn how to use it. It's not difficult. There is a text box below the edit frame and you can put any comments there to explain your edit.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 18:07, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

It's because...

the phonetic of it's Japanese name. I don't know about Japanese speaking but, you stated the Kana that translates to Desert Gardna. See the Phonetic name, it's meant to be Desert Gardna. That second name from the Kanji is not needed. Dunno why but that's the reality. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 04:13, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Cybers

I recently created the "Cybers" page. Certain cards were classified as being related to "Cyber Dragons" but really shouldn't have been. They should classified under the "Cybers" archetype. "Cyber-Tech Alligator" is one of these cards. It and other cards such as "Cyber Phoenix" and "Cyber Archfiend" should be under that archetype, not related to "Cyber Dragons". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:42, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agreed with Cheese, as because "Cyber-Tech Alligator" only had red parts, which "Cyber Dragon" never have any in all forms. So far, Cyber Dragon/Twin Dragon/End Dragon and Overdragon are all silver/dark iron colored metals, while Cyber-Tech Alligator only have red-colored metals. So it's impossible to have him taken the parts from Cyber Dragon. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 19:51, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
From what I know about Cheese's knowledge on "Cyber Dragon" archetype, they are rather being included "Dragon" along with "Cyber", not just "Cybers". So that's why Cyber-Tech Alligator is not technology dragon and not named "Dragon". Therefore is the reason why that monster is put in "Cybers" theme instead. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 20:05, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
I would consider any card that actually has both "Cyber" and "Dragon" in its name to be a "Cyber Dragon". In addition to those, I would include "Cyber Valley" and "Cyber Larva", since they look to be draconic in origin. The rest should be classified under the "Cybers" archetype. My logic is that the manga card "Emergency Cyber" and the anime version of "Cybernetic Hidden Technology" specificaly support "Cybers", not "Cyber Dragons". I have not gotten around to doing this yet, as I plan to do so after this gets worked out. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:56, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
I think you may have misunderstood me. Non-Cyber Dragon cards should go under "Cyber", not "Cyber Dragons". This would include Cyber-Tech Alligator, Cybernetic Cyclopean and Armored Cybern, among others. Regardless, thank you for trying to help. If you'd like, I could give you a list of the cards that should go under "Cyber". If not I will get around to it myself soon enough. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:35, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I went ahead and added it Template:Cyber. Once "archetype1 = Cyber" is added to a card page, it should now show up on that template. Does that help? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:44, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, here we go. All of these cards should be the "Cyber" archetype. Any other card with "Cyber" in its name is also part of the archetype, but also part of another archetype, like "Cyber Girls" or "Cyber Dragons".

Also, a few quick notes on what support is. The "support" parameter is for individual cards. For example, "Bubble Blaster" is support for "Elemental Hero Bubbleman". "archsupport" supports archetypes. In this case, the cards would be "Cyber Roar", "Emergency Cyber" and "Born from Draconis". Some cards aren't necessarily either. "Thuban" and the like have unknown effects, so they shouldn't be classified under support or archsupport, they are simply part of the archetype without supporting it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:11, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

The manga cards should be in the archetype, not listed as support. Looks good otherwise. Thank you for your help. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:01, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
They have "Cyber" in their names, so they should be part of the archetype. "archrelated" should be used for cards that aren't part of an archetype, but have some other relation for it. For example, "Hero Medal" isn't Hero support, but it is still related to Heroes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:09, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Good, but you forgot to remove the "archrelated". It doesn't need to be in both, though it's not a big issue. I appreciate your help. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:25, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Looks great. Thanks again. "Cyber" should include any card with "Cyber" in its name, even if its already part of "Cyber Dragons", "Cyber Ogres" or anything else. If you wish to add that to any of those pages, that would be great. In these case, you would use "archetype2 = Cyber", since "archetype1" is already being used. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:21, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Perfect. I appreciate your help. It's something I would have gotten to eventually, but there's plenty of other things I'd rather be editing. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:06, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
I realize that, I was just letting you know what you've done so far it great. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:28, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure how that code works myself. Sorry. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Only ones missing that I can see are "Cyber Barrier Dragon" and "Cyber Laser Dragon". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:26, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Looks perfect. Thanks again for your help. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:44, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

TG Hyper Whatever

Falzar just stated that it isn't the only Nomi Synchro Monster so that trivia is not needed because it's not true. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 04:05, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Could you stop putting that Halberd Cannon is a Delta Accel Synchro? If you keep doing that I will call an admin to deal with this. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:26, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Wrong. Because we don't know what a Delta Accel Synchro is. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:34, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, you don't know. Stop putting that or I'll call an admin. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:46, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
Then stop talking and listen this: Bruno might explain what a Delta Accel Synchro is in next episode. Wait at least until Bruno says what it is. Until then don't put that on Halberd Cannon's trivia. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Card Trivia:Counter Cleaner‎‎

"In all of Yu-Gi-Oh" is necessary, redundant and obvious. GX, 5Ds, etc, are a Series found in Yu-Gi-Oh. There is still only 1 Yu-Gi-Oh.
The 'Edit summary' box is right next to the 'Save Page' button. It's kinda hard to miss.
By the way, there is also a 'Preview' button next to the 'Save Page' button. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:05, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Bruno

It was crammed because there were too many images in only a small portion of text. Monobook is a different skin that some users use. You can preview it here. On most screen resolutions, Monobook is wider than the default skin. On Monobook using a 1280px wide screen, the three images on the left at the bottom of the biography were pushing each other down the article and there was text overlapping the image on the right. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:20, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Malefic World

Don't you know there is something called scanner? With that you can put a page from a magazine on a scanner and the scanned image will appear on your computer. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 20:16, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Bolding

Are you aware that putting a semi-colon (;) at the beginning of a line, causes it to bold and if a colon is used later in the line, it is replaced with a line break and a tab? This is causing a lot of your messages to appear in bold and break at the colon in the timestamp part of your signature. I'm not sure if you were intentionally doing this or not. If it's unintentional, you can just use a colon, instead of a semi-colon to prevent this. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:07, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Which command doesn't work for you? -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:43, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. You were asking how do I leave an edit summary? Anyway looks like Cheesedude has beaten me to it and you've got the hang of it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 02:38, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re:wikia command code

No, I didn't. The only thing I typed was "+appearance". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:12, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

In the edit summary. In this actual article, I just added the chapter number to Template:Yu-Gi-Oh! GX manga appearances, which was already in. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:22, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Double Dots?

I use the latest "New Wikia Looking" instead, because it has latest action appear where Monobook do not. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 21:28, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
It look ok to me, if you're worry about it, please ask Admin, as I am not one. And they know the effect better than I do. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 21:46, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
D-Neos, he's best bet you can get some helps. --FredCat Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C. 02:05, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Card Trivia:Malefic World‎‎

Alright. I already saw it in your Summary. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:41, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

New images

I certainly appreciate the new EXVC pictures you are uploading, but could you please upload them as per our image policy? It is waste of effort to go after images that aren't properly named, when it is something that can be avoided altogether. Thanks! Toob (talk • contribs) 12:23, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Concerning "Shien"

I've noticed that there's some confusion about what makes a "Shien" card part of the Archetype proper. Since I've corrected a few mistakes about which cards are and aren't part of the Archetype, and you've undone some of those corrections, I figured I'd explain the matter.

Firstly, Archetypes have no real weight or meaning without some sort of effect, card, or rule binding them together. I trust you know this, but it's background for the point I plan to make.

If there were no cards specifically made to work with "Shien" cards, then there'd be no need for all the "Shien" cards to stick with the name "Shien" when being brought to the states. This is one reason why "Kagemusha of the Blue Flame" went with "Blue Flame" - because at the time of its release, it was the only "Shien" card in the game, and there were no effects meant to work for "Shien" cards alone.

However, now, there is one such effect - "Gateway of the Six"'s third Ignition Effect. Specifically, it works for "Shien" Effect Monsters, but being Effect or not doesn't matter to determining Archetypes; Archetypes look only for name pieces. Gateway thus established the "Shien" archetype as a standalone entity.

There are no other effects that work for the "Shien" bunch - meaning that Gateway is the only thing that decides what is and isn't in the Archetype.

For a while, before Gateway was brought to Japan, things were easy - if the card had "Shien" in its name, the US copy of the card said "it's in the Archetype."

This changed when Gateway was released to the OCG - as the OCG copy doesn't just ask for a simple "Shien". It asks for a specific combination of kanji and katakana-as-furigana, as shown in its card gallery. Some "Shien" cards fit this combo; others do not.

Archetypes cannot disagree between the OCG and TCG; this much is proven by the rulings making clear how "Hundred-Eyes Dragon" is not a "red-Eyes" monster, thereby making it incompatible with the effect of "Red-Eyes Wyvern". (You could argue that "red-Eyes" is not "Red-Eyes", and that changing an uppercase letter to lowercase removes a card from an archetype, but that argument is refuted by "Unifrog"'s status as a "Frog" monster.)

And, as usual, with the OCG ultimately controlling the way the game is governed, we can't sit back and say "the OCG copy of Gateway is wrong".

So, I write this to make clear: "Shien's Spy" and "Legendary Six Samurai - Shien" are no longer compatible with Gateway - and thus are not part of the "Shien" Archetype established by Gateway. I ask you to leave them out of the archetype when making your edits.76.250.142.21 (talk) 16:33, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

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