Forum:Decks of the next format

IPlay4Fun (talk • contribs) 18:58, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

For the March 1st ban restrict list what decks do you see being the next tier one decks Solastramage666 02:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Frogs, with 2 Treeborn Frogs, D.3.S. Frog is literally unstoppable. Even Dragon Master Knight + Judgment Dragon + Dark Armed Dragon + Ultimate Ancient Gear Golem + a gun could not stop it. But seriously, Monarchs and Chimeratech OTKs.--Helix-king 04:14, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Infernity. That is all. As soon as The Shining Darkness comes out in the US, they will be AMAZING. This deck OTKs like crazy. Runer5h 04:20, February 19, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Demise decks, with all the epic ritual support. That, and gadgets. ElectroBlade 04:23, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

"Amazing", more like CENSORED till I don't even wanna look at them any more.--Helix-king 04:25, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

--Maybe Anti-Meta will still be top,because of the cards in TSHD

Jampong 04:25, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Blackwings are probably the most competitive deck now. The limiting of allure and whirlwind will slow them down but with new support from shining darkness i think they will be the top deck.

Top Tier Meta:

Blackwings - Even with the limits put on Gale, Allure and Black Whirlwind, they are still a strong deck type.

X-Sabers - X-Sabers have always been strong, they have just been overshadowed by Lightsworns, so noone would use them, so they wouldn't have any restrictions on their cards.

Monarchs - With Treeborn Frog, Cyber Dragon and Dandylion all at 2, as well as all Monarchs at 3, it is even easier to get out everyone's favourite annoyances.

Gladiator Beasts (possibly) - They haven't been hit as hard as any other deck, and with Proving Ground (a card I think should have hit the list a long time ago) still at three, I think they still have a chance. At least Bestiari is searchable.

Top Tier Anti-Meta

Gadgets - They lost an Oppression, but in return, they got back 2 Smashing Grounds. They noe have far too much destruction available.

Necro Stun (possibly) - With Oppression at 2, regular stun got hit. Skill Drain anti-meta decks don't work as well without 3. This is what's left. Necrovalley will crush some decks, even acting as 3rd, 4th and 5th Oppressions. In addition, with Descendant and Power Pickaxe now released, as well as the fact that noone has played them for ages (except me), thus none of their cards are limited, they stand a chance.

One last thing; why did they semi-limit Royal Decree, Royal Oppression and Skill Drain. I thought the point of the lists was to harm meta decks, not anti-meta decks. Next thing you know, Shrink and Burden will also be up there. Battlemaniac 10:29, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

• They are probably trying to mix things up by weakening meta and anti-meta, so other decks can come in.--Helix-king 12:24, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Some thoughts I can see Monarchs Blackwings top tier also I am guessing that no one remembers the pre oppresion gadget decks that relied on one for one cards like smashing and fissure and ran a future fusion and overload for the otk possibilty and used some anti meta aspects but didn't run the oppressions that is a good gadget varient it has control it was a fun machine deck Solastramage666 11:36, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Here's what I think:

• Tier 1:

Blackwing (New support, even an Allure replacement*)

Gladiator Beasts (Untouched by this banlist, everything else is slowed down in this format) (Corridor of Suffering does not stop Gyzarus. Spam Gyzarus with Gladiator Proving Ground-->Bestiari and you should be fine)

• Tier 2:

Monarchs (Dandy, Treeborn and/or Macro variants)

X-Saber (With Saber Hole and other new support)

Infernity (After TSHD so that they can spam Infernity Gun)

Lightlord (Despite Lumina, Charge, Foolish Burial and Necro Gardna at 1, Honest at 2. It can still work)

Zombies (Mezuki, Burial from the DD, Allure, Foolish Burial at 1)

Plants (especially Gigavis, Dandy at 2)

Gadgets (with Fissure and Smash at 3 and/or with support from Machina)

Cat Synchro (Super Nimble Mega Hamster and/or Flamvell variant)

Disaster Dragon or Hopeless Dragon (spamming Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon makes this deck fast in this slower format)

• Falzar FZ 13:24, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Don't be fooled into thinking that Lightsworn won't be a top tier deck this format, it's still a powerful deck, it has been slowed down considerably, but it still hasn't lost it's raw power (except for 1 Honest). 86.162.74.186 22:21, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Why would Infernity be tier 2? I played against one, and it swarmed so fast and hard it wasn't funny. It summoned two Trishulas in one turn. ONE. DAMN. TURN. DAMN that hurt. --Gadjiltron 13:08, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Two? I always can get out 3 if I want. But yes, Infernities are amazing at spamming level 9 synchros. Runer5h 18:35, February 25, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

I have it as 2 since it can be stopped. Just Negate the first card of each combo. Glads do it easily with their Chariot, but now that Infernity Barrier is coming out, I'm not so sure, it can be enough to bump it up to 1.

I'm also considering to add Frogs to the list. (but that's after Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier comes out) Falzar FZ 04:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Most competitive decks of the new format

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Top tier/most competitive decks-----

Blackwings- ridiculous swarm capabilities, super fast synchros, nearly untouched by the ban list.. Lightsworn- even with having lost a lot of speed, the great field control this deck offers is enough to earn it a tier 1 slot, not to mention the sheer power judgment dragon brings to the field. Twilight- the milling of lightsworn to put enough dark monsters in the grave for dark armed dragon Tourney level anti/meta-the best of the anti meta decks can put other tier 1 decks at a deadstop, and totally kill their strategies. Very annoying to face. Infernity- incredibly fast, very powerful, and with more support coming. If you haven't dueled one of these yet, beware.

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Tier 2/ used in tournaments though not as efficient---

Monarchs- sure, with dandylion, cyber dragon, and treeborn frog, it's easier to summon caius and the others, but the speed of tier 1 decks demolish the monarchs Plants- the swarming of these decks almost compares to the swarming of zombies before being killed by the banlist. With the right cards in hand. I've seen plants swarm their way to beating top tier decks. At the same time, plants fall short because recoveries are seldom made against total field destruction such as JD and Dark armed. Rescue cat- sure you can pull out powerful synchros, but not as consistent as other decks Gadget variants- great hand advantage, smashing ground, fissure, and hammershot. Just falls a little short of tier 1 with not as much power as easily available as other deck types. Gladiator beasts- able to respond to nearly any situation , but has been crippled by the banlist. Six samurai- together they are extremely strong,and the stronger monsters are easily summoned, but not good enough to stand up to tier 1 decks. Gravekeepers- the new support has made them more powerful, and can lock oters out of the grave. xx sabers- fast and strong, but rarely will you see them kill a tier 1

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Tier 3/ still used, but highly unneffective----

Demise otk's-people can't seem to get over that demise has been semi limited, and advanced ritual art has been limited,making otk chances very slim. Zombies-this deck type is officially dead. Mezuki at 1 along with plaguespreader, but you might see a few of these variants still at local tourneys.

Final countdown- if these decks don't get a dead draw , simply siding a jinzo or other trap disabling card to ur deck in round two will ensure victory

o yeah I have already seem a ZombieVayusworn(new List) in the Top on a Regional Championship in Brazil Im not kidding

But for me

Tier 1 -X-Sabers(with the TSHD this deck will be Awsome) -Infernities(Aready Top Tier in Japan) -BW(Everyone knows why)

i'm still running a variant i like to call Hopeless Scourge which still does pretty well with it's multiple OTK tactics and swarming speed

My List...

...is exactly the same as Falzar FZ's list. He got it right. -bewk 16:36, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, X-Sabers vs. Infernities. (Gets popcorn) X-Sabers are crazy consistent and can control the duel, while Infernities can get amazing OTKs - did I mention that said OTKs are a huge amount of fun to play? Runer5h 21:02, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

I have been proxy-testing Sabers with Boggart and it's kin, and I love the results. They can form a massive field presence in one turn. X-Sabers will be tier 1.5 this format, just because BWs, Infernity, Flamvell Cat, and GBs will be filling up the Top 16, and can do what it does just a little bit better. -bewk 21:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Flamvell Cat? I've never seen that in action... but I don't think that GBs are really close to beating X-Sabers this format. And BW got its Black Whirlwinds semi'd and its Allures Limited, so I don't think that they'll be nearly so consistent. Runer5h 21:40, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

You are lucky to have not seen Flamvell Cat. It is huge. I fear them. GBs still have their trap line-up to dispatch X-Sabers, but a big swarm from them leaves GBs helpless. Most of the time, GBs have an answer to every card Sabers throw at them. Most of the time. BWs still can Vayu, Icarus, and Oppression their way out of most situations, but do it at a slightly slower pace. -bewk 22:01, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

BEWK, Runer5h, I'm not joking. The horror, the horror!!!! I've played against Flamvell Cat and it's damn scary. It's not just Rescue Cat. Flamvell Firedog can always bring out tuners to synchro summon and that's just the beginning. When you think by destroying their synchro monster, that you'd have won. You couldn't be more wrong because they can always use Rekindling and mass ss from the Graveyard to bring a new army of Synchros.

So yeah, I lost badly. It was amazing, there was so much synergy. It makes me itching to make my own Flamvell Cat deck.--Hide Head Turtle 03:38, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

bwings

Runer5 lets be honest here. bwings did not get hit as hard as most people think. I never even thought of running more than two whirlwinds or more than one allure. just add up some filler cards its not that hard to do--207.40.28.2 23:37, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

yea i agree ive been playin blackwings since they came out in the TCG and ill admit the semi-limiting of blackwhirl wind has slown my deck a lil bit (used to win in less then 5 turns) but its nothin big i can always have armor master,shura,gale,and bora to back me up then when i get my blackwhirl wind and my elphin i start to really swarm like crazy but even without a blackwhirl wind in my hand or field i can still swarm and win if any deck had its ass kicked by the ban list then its pretty much lightsworns Raiga 01:42, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't think Blackwings were hurt badly by losing a Black Whirlwind then you're not dueling at a competitive level. 86.157.4.118 02:51, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

i am playing at a competitive level? dont talk about someone unless ya know em douche bag and no they havent been hurt badly with black whirlwinds limiting Raiga 21:44, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

thank u raiga. I mean really i run an extra smashing instead of the 3rd whirlwind--72.192.164.222 22:14, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well you use Elphin, so you musn't be that competitive, plus I saw you rant on in other threads about how you think Vayu Oppression is rubbish, therefore you mustn't be a top tier player. You can't seem to comprehend the amount of speed Blackwings lost when Allure and Black Whirlwind got hit. Try playing against Flamvell Cat and you should understand.

i played against a flamvell cat and beat it easily with my blackwing deck (gotta love that archetype). all i had to do is pump my shura with mage power, use royal oppression, use anti spell fragrence, and jinzo along with a set mst. the're really not that hard--Bwinggale 21:47, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

pfttt please >_> i use 2 elphins and i am competitive vayu oppression isnt that good either when i run 3 lightings or have just one armor master on the field a field full of beat sticks is worthless if they cant even scratch me and im not saying they lost speed but its not enough to kill the deck like i said above black whirlwinds semi limiting hasent done much to my deck and allure of darkness isnt that good of a card it draws 2 cards sure but i have to remove or discard my entire hand and i agree with bwinggale ive played a flamvell cat and there just hype Raiga 22:25, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

You obviously don't play competitvely if you're using 3 Lightning Vortexs, that card doesn't even fit in with Blackwings at all. Vayu Oppression is the only top tier Blacwing deck in this format. If flamvell cat deck are just 'hype' how come they've dominated so many regionals? 86.131.150.145 23:06, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

how bout u stop judgin me? and theres nothing wrong with 3 lightings it helps it dosent mater if it fits its an awsome card and show me the damn tier list if its the "top" and it is hype there not hard to kill Raiga 23:55, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

i dont play vayu oppression and i dominate a lot of regionals--Bwinggale 02:39, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Scraps? IPlay4Fun (talk • contribs) 18:58, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

The new banlist killed off many meta's from the last banlist. Infernity, Cats, Frogs (not monarch), & Sworns are obsolete in the current format. Since many game devastating cards like Heavy Storm & Brain Control are gone, many older decks have a chance to top. Of course Blackwings, GB's, & X-Sabers still top, other decks have rose to the 2nd tiers including Plants, Machina's, Naturia, & Anti Meta Variants (ex. Gemini) have gained considerable ground. Some other decks that have turned popular this format are Gravekeeper's & Amazoness's have seen a spike in gameplay as well. I believe X-Sabers, GB's, & Blackwings will take a considerable hit next format, but for right now they still top. Automation44 (talk • contribs) 22:19, November 2, 2010 (UTC)Automation44