Talk:Warrior (archetype)

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Necessary?[edit]

Is an entire page necessary for these monsters. I don't think they would be considered an archetype, more like cards used by Yusei, but certainly not an archetype.--Mr.Archfreak 01:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that they aren't really an Archetype (yet), but maybe down the line there will be support for them as a group. --Bluedog (Talk) 01:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Support cards that refer specifically to them isn't always required for a set of monsters to be considered an Archetype. They all have ウォリアー in their names and display other similarities. That makes them just like the Monarchs. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

More Warriors[edit]

When i looked at the template 4 Warriors, i noticed most of them r just random cards with "Warrior" in their name. From what ive been told 4 a card to be a Warrior, it needs a Synchron, and cards like Speed Warrior and Max Warrior don't have synchrons, since they are not Synchro Monsters. Some 1 should change the pages. I'd do it, but where i am its past 1 am. I'll be back in 1 week

  • They are all in this section because they all contain a particular Japanese phraseology or spelling that translates here to Warrior, but isn't the same as the way that Warrior (as in Warrior-type monster) is written on the Japanese cards. Just like how in the OCG Fiend-types are Demon types, but Archfiends are Demons, simply with different spelling and the like. So that means they are all Warrior monsters in a specific archetype, since then you'd have to argue as to why Red Dragon Archfiend, Thought Ruler Archfiend, Archfiend Marmot of Nefariousness, Axe of Despair, etc, etc, should be removed from the Archfiend template. Vagrant Lustoid 10:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

But then why "Fortress Warrior" is a "Warrior" and "Rocket Warrior" isn't? Because Yusei doesn't use it? When will people understand that not every character in the show uses a series?

  • Because the "Warrior" in Fortress Warrior is written a different way than the "Warrior" in Rocket Warrior, in the original Japanese. It's simply a translation thing and the fact that Japan has at the very least 3 different "alphabets" whilst English only has the one. Vagrant Lustoid 06:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Rockstone Warrior?[edit]

Shouldn't Rockstone Warrior be counted as a member? He has the required "ウォリアー" in his Japanese name. (I'm asking since I don't know how to edit that) Burnpsy 22:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Rockstone Warrior is a rock type, since Warriors Monsters are Warrior type. then, Rockstone Warrior is still not included.--33royward 22:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't he be put under "Related" or something then? Makes more sense than Panther Warrior or Rocket Warrior. Burnpsy 22:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I think it might count as a member of the archetype. Assuming its not a member of the archetype it's certainly not "archrelated".
Cards that are deemed archrelated have to actually be connected to the archetype. E.g. support an individual member, like "Limiter Overload" and the "Synchrons". The reason archrelated is not considerd archsupport is because the cards don't support the archetype as a whole, only particular members. For example "Limiter Overload" supports "Speed Warrior", who is a "Warrior" monster. It doesn't mention the "Warrior" archetype itslef. Saying it supports "Warrior" monsters because "Speed Warrior" is a "Warrior", would be like saying it supports EARTH monsters, because "Speed Warrior" is EARTH.
So yes, it makes no sense to say "Panther Warrior" and "Rocket Warrior" are "archrelated". (People seem to think archrelated is for questionable inclusions.)
Back to "Rockstone Warrior"... I'm not sure being a Warrior-Type is necessary. Its name is wrote in kana. The second part is "ウォリアー" and is seperated from the first with a "・". (Plus Yusei uses it.) That can't be just a coincidence. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Why are we adding Warriors not used by Yusei?[edit]

Panther Warrior, Zombie Warrior, Rocket Warrior & Karbonala Warrior? I mean, was this Article to show the Warriors used by Yusei?~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 03:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've looked, and Panther Warrior and Zombie Warrior has the required ウォリアー in its japanese name, so, that means, they are part of the archetype.--33royward 03:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

No, not warriors used by Yusei but warriors that has ウォリアー in its japanese name.--33royward 03:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but wasn't this Article created to SHOW the ones used by Yusei, cause JUST because they have that in their name makes them a part of the Warrior Archetype and not the Archetype/sub-type or whatever it would be called used by Yusei

Check again, Royward: Zombie Warrior doesn't. Panther Warrior, yes, but put it in the related category. Runer5h 03:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

I did check and Zombie Warrior has ウォリアー in its name.--33royward 03:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, since you changed the card's Japanese name, it seems to; however, look at the picture, and you'll notice a pesky little hyphen-looking thing right in the middle of what would otherwise be ウォリアー. Not a Warrior. Please stop reverting it. Runer5h 03:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Runer5h
Me too, for that matter. I vote that the ones not used by Yusei but that still have ウォリアー go in the "Related" category. Runer5h 03:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

MOST of these cards are used by Yusei, it did not say that the monsters in this page were used by Yusei, only mostly, it say so on the page that this refers to the archetype, it did not say that this refers that cards used by Yusei, so, Panther Warrior is still part of the archetype.--33royward 03:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

what monsters are you refering to--33royward 03:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)?

  • the ones referred to by R5H "I vote that the ones not used by Yusei but that still have ウォリアー go in the "Related" category"~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 03:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
See the above section; "related" is not for questionable members. You're either a member of the archetype or you're not. "Panther Warrior" doesn't count. Its naming deosn't match the pattern that every other member uses. The others all follow this pattern "<name>・ウォリアー". <name> is always an English word written in kana. "Panther Warrior" doesn't have the "・" and the first part of its name is not written in kana. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Yep. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, done and i made changes to the Article to show that the warriors in the article are the ones with "・ウォリアー" and not just "ウォリアー"~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 21:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Is Blizzard Warrior and Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior included in this archetype? I mean, sure, these cards re not used by Yusei but it the both of them still has "・ウォリアー" in they're japanese name, so, are they included?--33royward 07:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  • You need to find consensus for something like this before doing it yourself. Danny Lilithborne 09:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Why are people so intent on finding "odd" cards to include in this archetype? It's a series connected by reputation. Common sense is what dictates if a card is in the series. People aren't pouncing at every "サイバー" (Cyber) monster to count it as one of Alexis' Cyber Girls or "Machine Emperor Wisel Infinity" to count it as a "Monarch" (皇). There are things like "roid" and "Guardian" monsters, where a few unusual examples are included for having similar names, because they have an in-game relationship, since cards reference the archetype by a bit of text in the card's name.
"Garoth" does not look like part of the series or have an in-game relationship and its is not "<name>・ウォリアー". It's "<name>・ウォリアー <other stuff>". It was released before they'd come up with the series, so its name being similar is really just a coincidence.
I'll admit "Blizzad Warrior" does look like it could be part of the series, its name matches the pattern and since it was released after they'd already started this series, they could have avoided making its naming match the series. It wasn't used by Yusei, but neither was "Tune Warrior" (although he uses it in video games and I think he's been shown holding it in magazines). So "Blizzard Warrior" looks questionable, but I would say don't include it without further evidence. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
found some more warriors with <name>・ウォリアー, and the name is english written in kana. yes, i might have alot of free time on my hands, but i still need to know if there should be on the list. Ryu Senshi (Dragon Warrior), Alien Warrior and Laval Warrior. the front word is english in kana. i hope no one will say alien and laval aready had their own archtype so they are excluded. blizzard warrior also belong to the ice barrior, so i don't think this should be the reason why alien and laval warrior is not included. i'm not sure about ryu senshi. thanks for reading. -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 15:33, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
I put the card "~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire" "03:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)" said except "Rocket Warrior" because it doesn't have "ウォリアー" (Warrior).--Wasn't (talk • contribs) 02:03, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
I also didn't add "Karbonala Warrior". same reason as "rocket warrior".--Wasn't (talk • contribs) 02:06, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Um...[edit]

  • The intent of this page is starting to become unclear... Danny Lilithborne 08:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
  • The first intent of this page is to display the Warrior monsters used by Yusei Fudo. But I think only Warrior-Synchro card used by him should be putted here, because only them have similarities so far, while the other is not. --Blackwings0605 08:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Junk Warrior's Colour[edit]

It looks like there's been an argument on the edit history about Junk Warrior's colour.

While I did not get involved, it looks very clearly purple to me. I don't get how one can even argue for blue. That said, let's try to come for an agreement. Burnpsy 01:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with Burnpsy the color is purple! User:WarriorsFanX 17:15, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

i must agree with altyrell on this one that is clearly blue on the purple side of the spectrum Sammykill98 18:00, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Warriors not used by Yusei[edit]

Hey, should we include the Warriors monsters that has 「・ウォリアー」 in their japanese name but not used by yusei in the "archrelated"? Blizzard Warrior, Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior and Alien Warrior has the required 「・ウォリアー」 in their japanese name, isn't this page an ARCHETYPE, not cards used by a character? Jaden uses Elemental Heroes but he did not get to use them all, but still their included in the archetype, its a little unfair for these 3 monsters not included in this archetype just because their not used by a character, Tune Warrior is not used by Yusei in the anime, but still it was included, if these 3 monsters cannot be included by an archetype, aren't we supposed to include them in the archrelated because they still have the 「・ウォリアー」 in their name?--33royward 12:51, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't we have this discussion above already?
These guys are a series connected by reputation. They have no in-game relationship. There aren't any cards, whose effect only work on things with "ウォリアー" in their name. "Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior" and "Alien Warrior" were made long before this series. Its just a coincidence that they have "ウォリアー" in their name.
Look at these examples.
  • "Cycroid" is a "roid" in-game, because there are cards that affect cards with "roid" in their name.
  • "Cycroid" is a "Vehicroid" by reputation, because its one of those cartoony vehicles.
  • "Cycroid" is not a "Vehicroid" in-game, because there are cards that support monsters with "Vehicroid" in their name and "Cycroid" does not have "Vehicroid" in its name.
  • "Elemental Hero Necroid Shaman" is a roid in-game because it has "roid" in its name and there are cards that support monsters with "roid" in their name.
  • "Elemental Hero Necroid Shaman" is not a "Vehicroid" by reputation because its nothing like the Vehicroids, even though all of them have "roid" in their name and so does he.
  • "Level Warrior" has "ウォリアー" in its name, but there are no cards that affect monsters with "ウォリアー" in their name, so it has no in-game relationship with the other "Warrior" monsters.
  • "Level Warrior" is a "ウォリアー" part of that series of monsters Yusei uses, so its part of the series by reputation.
"Alien Warrior" and "Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior" were made long before this series and with no intention of bing like these monsters, so its just a coincidence that they have that bit in their name. I think pictures of Yusei holding "Tune Warrior" have appeared in V Jump and he uses it in Stardust Accelerator. Plus it looks like its part of this series. I'm not sure about "Blizzard Warrior". It was released after they started making these guys, so had the chance to avoid including "ウォリアー" in its name. And it does look kinda like it could be part of the series. I'm not sure about "Blizzard Warrior", but "Garoth" and "Alien Warrior" are not part of the series. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Ok,shouldn't we put them in the "archrelated" category then, we are talking about an archetype, not a "used-by-a-character" card group?(sorry for the late answer)--33royward 13:46, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
No, they'e not related to the archetype. They just coincidentally have the same bit of text in their name. Archerelated is for cards that are connected to the archetype, but don't support it as a whole. e.g. "Miracle Fusion" is a an "Elemental Hero" support card, since its mentions "Elemental Hero" monsters as a whole. "Spark Blaster" does not support "Elemental Hero" monsters as a whole, but it supports an individual member, so it's classed as archrelated. (Calling it an actual "Elemental Hero" support card, would be like calling it a LIGHT or Warrior-Type support card.) Cards that are archrelated to the Warriors are "Limiter Overload" and some of the "Synchron" monsters, since they support individual members, but the series as a whole. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:03, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
We really need to change the {All of their Japanese names are comprised of English words wrote in Japanese phoentics followed by 「ウォリアー」 ("Warrior"). } part, since most cards created before 5d's will fall under this category if we do not change it. -Lpoi 17:21, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

If that is the case you better start arguing that Summoned Skull, B. Skull Dragon and Fiend Skull Dragon are not Archfiend monsters because they were released before the archetype was even made.--Darkness 10:28, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, based on the above discussion, it seems like this article only intended to show warriors released during the 5D's era. therefore the sentence {All of their Japanese names are comprised of English words wrote in Japanese phoentics followed by 「ウォリアー」 ("Warrior"). } should be changed if they are really ONLY intended to talk about warriors in 5D's. -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 05:28, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Manga Warriors[edit]

I just added Lightning and Mighty Warriors to the page but should they each get a special mention as Synchronless Warriors like Quick and Hyper Synchron are mentioned as Warriorless Synchrons? --Blackstone Dresden 23:42, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Quick Synchron a Support Card?[edit]

A Support Card doesn't always have to support the whole archetype, so why isn't Quick Synchron listed as a Support Card? It was made to assist in summoning Junk, Nitro, Turbo and Road Warrior among others... Burnpsy 00:11, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Typical Cards?[edit]

I thought this was a page about the "Warrior" archetype, not a deck list. Quillbolt Hedgehog and Necro Gardna are cards used by Yusei, and Call of the Haunted is a Staple in many decks. What is the purpose of that section? --Resul 17:21, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Firstly Yusei does not use necro guardna (Jaden does) but the purpose of this list is to give people who want to build this kind of deck a starting point or a general idea of what cards could be useful--Berfomet 20:37, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

better reason please?[edit]

i know this has been discussed before, but can we please have a good reason as to why old warriors that are not used in the 5d's should NOT be listed here? old archfiend are included into the archtype when the archfiend is released. this is aready a good reason to add them into the archtype. just because they are not used by yusei does not means that they cannot be here (or at least we can put them under related). -220.255.7.177 (talk) 17:08, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

  • You see, it's because the warriors who weren't used in FDs either a) Don't have the right japanese name, or b) are just coincidentally related. 128.107.239.233 (talk) 21:53, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

The key strategy of warriors is to support synchrons for easier summoning of Synchro-Warriors and Junk-Synchro-Monsters. They all have useful levels and or effects. For example: Level Warrior and max warrior can change their level to fit the situation. Most of the non5D-Warriors dont have synchro-supporting abilitys. --SG-27 (talk • contribs) 08:16, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

For now; since it is under 'archetypes', they will all be listed.
Archfiends are a true archetype, as it has support cards which mention them. Such as Falling Down which says "Archfiend card".
Warriors do not have this. They are only connected as a Theme. This theme is Warriors used by Yusei Fudo.
Just having the same name means nothing, and thus, once we decide on using the term to use for groups that aren't true archetypes; they will be removed from the list.
If you want to help, you can say vote on which term we should use; Family, Series or Group at Forum:Archetype_definition_(again)#Recap
Once we see a majority, then we move on to the next step. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:24, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Synchro Monsters only[edit]

I think we should trim down the members to just Synchro Monsters that require a corresponding "Synchron" Tuner. Currently we're naming every monster Yusei used that has "Warrior" in its name; series pages are supposed to be based on "theme", not name. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 16:20, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

To me, "Monsters with Warrior in their name that are played by Yusei Fudo" is a theme. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:20, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
To me, "Synchro Monsters with Warrior in their name that require a specific "Synchron" monster and are played by Yusei Fudo" is a stronger theme. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:27, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

archetype.[edit]

There's a Trap Card called Defend Warrior, and it's supporting this group. 70.79.84.206 (talk) 01:48, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

You're right. Here's a list of cards that need to be added to the archetype now:

Kunoichi, Abyss Warrior, Alien Warrior, Wind-Up Warrior, Trident Warrior, Dododo Warrior, Ryu Senshi, Feedback Warrior, Blizzard Warrior, Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior, Laval Warrior, Panther Warrior.

There may be some anime or manga only cards as well. I'll check around. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
The day draws closer to when "Dragon" becomes an archetype. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 02:52, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
You missed Tune Warrior, Bronze Warrior and Mighty Warrior: Dark Soul.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:11, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
And the "White Warriors", it seems. So yeah, one of our shining examples of "this is not an archetype...is now an archetype." Yay. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:19, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Also, the "Symphonic Warriors", the "Magnet Warriors" and "Abyss Warrior". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:38, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
User:Dinoguy1000#Archetype searches ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:40, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Similar to the Knight archetype, this page could have a template for the entire archetype, a template for the "Symphonic Warriors", another for the "Magnet Warriors", etc. --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 16:38, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose we could, though I've always hated those nested navboxes myself. Though if someone wants to make one, feel free. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
By the way, I'm saying of adding the templates only to the Archetype page, not in every member page (I don't like to see, for example, the Cyber Dragons template in every Cyber card, even the Cyber Angels). --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 20:46, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about removing them myself; they're quite useful for anyone looking to navigate between members/support of an archetype without having to continually go back to the archetype page. I could add a class to the whole thing that you could then hide in your user CSS, though. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:40, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting we remove them, I just don't like the nested navboxes at all. A regular navbox is fine. I think stuff like the navboxes for the "Cyber" and "Knight" pages are unnecessary and clunky though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:43, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype Issue[edit]

Everyone, think honestly. Every archetype has SIMILAR characteristics throughout the cards within the archetype. Archfiends all have a skeletal appearance and are predominantly fiends. The Phantom Beasts all are beast/beast-warrior/winged beast and have Phantom beast in their Jap name, which is why Gazelle is one of them, on top of being listed on their card effects. So just because they have the phrase "warrior" in Japanese in their name, it doesn't mean they're part of the archetype. Especially if they existed before all of the others, and are never seen in the manga/show in combination. If you can cite one time Yusei uses lets say, Rocket Warrior, in combination with any of the others, then that would be a good reason to include said card. I hope you can see the logic in this, rather than just putting them in their because they all have the same name. Dr j 26 (talk • contribs) 11:54, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

After multiple conversations, especially this one, it was decided that defining archetypes as a group of cards that has a support was the best way to group them. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:00, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
Then several cards should be taken out, as Alien Warrior and the Magna Warrior Cards don't support anything else, and Alien Warrior is part of the Alien Warrior Archetype, the Symphtronics are their own archetype, Wind-Up are another archetype, and the same for White Warrior. Dr j 26 (talk • contribs) 12:08, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
The effect of "Defend Warrior" supports all cards with "Warrior" in their names. Since archetype pages are collections of cards that have at least one card that supports them by name, Alien Warrior and the Magnet Warrior cards are a part of this archetype. It does not matter if their effects to not support one another. The "Rose" and "Knight" archetypes are similar. Again, we have had many discussions on this, and have concluded that this is the best way to organize archetype pages. A member of an archetype can also belong to multiple archetypes, like how "Wind-Up Shark" is also a "Shark. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:11, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
Also, it's the Japanese name. If "Defend Warrior" was a real card, all of the cards we've listed would be valid targets. And on that note, "Rocket Warrior" isn't a member and is not listed here, since its Japanese name does not contain the right text. It's not like we haven't put actual thought into this. See the conversation Golden Key linked you too. That took months to decide. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:13, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
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