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==Why are we here?==
 
==Why are we here?==
 
 
The answer is simple, yet complex. Some of us are here to aid in cataloging all the cards that exist. Others because we love everything about it. In many ways, we seek to integrate everything we see in sites like [http://www.ideal808.com Ideal808], [http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com Upper Deck Entertainment], the Yu-Gi-Oh Info on [http://www.netrep.net Netrep], [http://www.gamefaqs.com GameFAQs], and info from sites like [http://www.pojo.com Pojo] and [http://www.metagame.com Metagame]. Also these sites could help [http://manjyomethunder.twoday.net/ Manjyome Thunder], [http://shriek.twoday.net/ Shriek],  [http://www.janime.info/Genex/ Janime] and [http://yugiohfans.co.uk/.html Yu-Gi-Oh! Fans]
 
The answer is simple, yet complex. Some of us are here to aid in cataloging all the cards that exist. Others because we love everything about it. In many ways, we seek to integrate everything we see in sites like [http://www.ideal808.com Ideal808], [http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com Upper Deck Entertainment], the Yu-Gi-Oh Info on [http://www.netrep.net Netrep], [http://www.gamefaqs.com GameFAQs], and info from sites like [http://www.pojo.com Pojo] and [http://www.metagame.com Metagame]. Also these sites could help [http://manjyomethunder.twoday.net/ Manjyome Thunder], [http://shriek.twoday.net/ Shriek],  [http://www.janime.info/Genex/ Janime] and [http://yugiohfans.co.uk/.html Yu-Gi-Oh! Fans]
  
To integrate all the reference material you see there... that is our goal. To be the best and most dedicated website in existance to all players and fans alike of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Universe, and above all, to be totally 100% free to use and quote material from.
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To integrate all the reference material you see there... that is our goal. To be the best and most dedicated website in existence to all players and fans alike of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Universe, and above all, to be totally 100% free to use and quote material from.
  
 
==Database Update==
 
==Database Update==
 
 
We are currently in the process of updating the image database in accordance with our new [[Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia: Image Policy|Image Policy]]. During this time, some images may be unavailable.
 
We are currently in the process of updating the image database in accordance with our new [[Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia: Image Policy|Image Policy]]. During this time, some images may be unavailable.
  
 
Please do not be offended if images you have contributed disappear from the list available under the "My Contributions" tab on your user space. To standardize filenames, images must be downloaded, saved under the new name format, and then re-uploaded. Although this does remove your credit byline from the image page, it does '''NOT''' affect your overall contributions.
 
Please do not be offended if images you have contributed disappear from the list available under the "My Contributions" tab on your user space. To standardize filenames, images must be downloaded, saved under the new name format, and then re-uploaded. Although this does remove your credit byline from the image page, it does '''NOT''' affect your overall contributions.
  
==Contributers==
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==Contributors==
 
 
 
To make contact easier with the main Site Maintainers, here is a list of contact details for members that wouldn't mind lending a hand to new people:
 
To make contact easier with the main Site Maintainers, here is a list of contact details for members that wouldn't mind lending a hand to new people:
  
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==Japanese names==
 
==Japanese names==
For the cards, would it be possible to provide romanized and translated (if not already in English) names?--[[User:208.252.179.26|208.252.179.26]] 03:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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For the cards, would it be possible to provide Romanized and translated (if not already in English) names?--[[User:208.252.179.26|208.252.179.26]] 03:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  
 
* I eventually plan to offer an English Name -> Japanese Name -> Translated Japanese Names tabled at some point. Stay tuned.--[[w:c:YuGiOh:User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] ([[w:c:YuGiOh:User talk:TwoTailedFox|My Talk Page]]) 11:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 
* I eventually plan to offer an English Name -> Japanese Name -> Translated Japanese Names tabled at some point. Stay tuned.--[[w:c:YuGiOh:User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] ([[w:c:YuGiOh:User talk:TwoTailedFox|My Talk Page]]) 11:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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:Hi everyone, dont know what you mean here miff thefox, about images I think we should add some fair use license template, for not breaking the law, what do you think? --'''''[[user:andersmusician|Andersmusician]][[user_talk:andersmusician|<font>$</font>]]''''' 00:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 
:Hi everyone, dont know what you mean here miff thefox, about images I think we should add some fair use license template, for not breaking the law, what do you think? --'''''[[user:andersmusician|Andersmusician]][[user_talk:andersmusician|<font>$</font>]]''''' 00:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  
== Making lists more usefull ==
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==Making lists more useful==
 
 
 
The current state of lists seems a bit unsatisfactory to me. Leaving aside bad formatting and incompleteness, it's the scarcity of information which annoys me most. There's the card names followed by centimeters, even inches, of blank, unused screen space.
 
The current state of lists seems a bit unsatisfactory to me. Leaving aside bad formatting and incompleteness, it's the scarcity of information which annoys me most. There's the card names followed by centimeters, even inches, of blank, unused screen space.
  
 
What about giving basic statistics for each card in the lists? We can even make tables and thx to techies running Wikia, even sortable tables (see [[User:Pjacobi/tabledemo]]). <small>I'm rather puzzled, why ''class="sortable"'' is available but ''class="prettytable"'' doesn't work. Perhaps because the latter is left to the individual Wikias.</small>
 
What about giving basic statistics for each card in the lists? We can even make tables and thx to techies running Wikia, even sortable tables (see [[User:Pjacobi/tabledemo]]). <small>I'm rather puzzled, why ''class="sortable"'' is available but ''class="prettytable"'' doesn't work. Perhaps because the latter is left to the individual Wikias.</small>
  
Of course such a change would be a lot more realistic, if these enhanced lsist can be generated offline from some database or on this Wiki using a bot or a bot-assisted editor.
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Of course such a change would be a lot more realistic, if these enhanced list can be generated offline from some database or on this Wiki using a bot or a bot-assisted editor.
  
 
[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]] 15:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 
[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]] 15:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  
== Image request ==
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==Image request==
 
Hi. If anyone could get card images of:
 
Hi. If anyone could get card images of:
*[[Fungi of the Musk]]
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* [[Fungi of the Musk]]
*[[Phantom Ghost]]
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* [[Phantom Ghost]]
*[[Tentacle Plant]]
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* [[Tentacle Plant]]
*[[Ironoid]]
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* [[Ironoid]]
*[[Carat Idol]]
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* [[Carat Idol]]
*[[Larva of Moth]]
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* [[Larva of Moth]]
*[[Pupa of Moth]]
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* [[Pupa of Moth]]
 
That'd be just great. [[User:Rodtheanimegod4ever|Rodtheanimegod4ever]] 01:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 
That'd be just great. [[User:Rodtheanimegod4ever|Rodtheanimegod4ever]] 01:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  
== THIS IS URGENT! ==
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==THIS IS URGENT!==
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* hey can sum1 put in the new episodes 4 season 4? -- edited by:Ogi [[Image:Wind.gif]]
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** Technically, Season 4 is not out yet.  We're still in Season 3.  [[User:Minhtam2448|Minhtam2448]] 23:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
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** Please don't use "This is urgent" for non urgent matters. Thanks.
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==Fusion==
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* I move to add a section of monster card pages to indicate what a monster can be fused into. Especially with E-heroes, this could potentially save a lot of confusion. You know, just an idea... --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 19:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  
hey can sum1 put in the new episodes 4 season 4?
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==Ironoid==
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* I'm iffy on the card [[Ironoid]]. There are no other websites with this card nor has anyone ever even seen the artwork. Google comes up with 10 searches; two of them our own site and the other 8 random sites not pertaining to Yu-Gi-Oh in any way or manner. -- [[User:Huajun Chen|Huajun Chen]] 15:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  
edited by:Ogi [[Image:Wind.gif]]
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==Notice to contributors and mods==
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If you were wondering just what in the holy hell I’ve been doing the past three days, filling up the Recent Changes section with a gazillion categorization edits, let me explain: [[User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] recently stated “categorization slows a wiki down” or something among those lines. While I agree with that statement, I still think some form of organization is necessary for this website to flourish.
  
* Technically, Season 4 is not out yet. We're still in Season 3. [[User:Minhtam2448|Minhtam2448]] 23:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
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===Merged Pages and Categories===
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* '''Gameplay''' The Basic and Advanced Gameplay categorizes have been combined into one mega-category. The numerous sub-categorizes that were formerly part of the Basic Gameplay have been cut down and also been moved to the mainstream Gameplay category. This new category is very broad—the whole reason why I underwent major revamping—but its border is thick enough to separate [[Replay|the term “replay”]] from [[Spirit of the Wind|pages in a whole other realm]].
  
*Please don't use "This is urgent" for non urgent matters. Thanks.
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* '''OTK, FTK, Lockdown:''' Notice how these three items no longer have categories? That’s because they’ve either they have become a deck type or moved to their respective Card Trivia pages. There’s no such thing as a lockdown without a deck built around it or an OTK that doesn’t require less than two cards.
  
== Fusion ==
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* '''Anime Terminology:''' Pages like “[[KaibaCorp]]”, “[[Electrodes]]”, and “[[Armor of Unity]]” have been merged and classified into their respective pages, depending on which series they belong in. The exception to this is the [[Millennium Items]], seeing as they’re practically the symbolic centerpieces of the original anime.
  
I move to add a section of monster card pages to indicate what a monster can be fused into. Especially with E-heroes, this could potentially save a lot of confusion.
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* '''Character Pages:''' The [[Ghouls]], the [[Society of Light]], the [[Yu-Gi-Oh! GX minor characters]], etc, have all been merged.
You know, just an idea... --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 19:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 
  
==Ironoid==
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* '''Card Lists:''' Remember the massive amount of card lists we had just a few months ago? Notice how they aren’t there any more? Because really…how many people will type in “card lists” in the search engine? Isn’t it so much simpler to put information directly in front of them, rather than make them do all the work and searching? It’s because either:
* I'm iffy on the card [[Ironoid]]. There are no other websites with this card nor has anyone ever even seen the artwork. Google comes up with 10 searches; two of them our own site and the other 8 random sites not pertaining to Yu-Gi-Oh in any way or manner. -- [[User:Huajun Chen|Huajun Chen]] 15:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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** They have been converted into templates. (Ex: Amazoness card list, Ninja card list, BEWD card list)
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** Deleted, because they’re useless. (Ex: Vampire card list, Sphinx card list)
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** Moved to their appropriate content page and abridged under a dynamic box, the same ones we use for the character decks (Ex: Counter Trap Cards card list, Field Spell Cards card list)
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===Card Trivia===
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* Some people seem to not understand what "card trivia" is. The following is accounted as card trivia:
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** The Japanese name of a card (Ex: [[Sangan]] is called “Critter” in Japan.) There are a million and a half ways to translate Kanji into English. Before you add in a Japanese name on a trivia page, first check it up on Google or another search engine to make sure it’s widely accepted in the fandom. An example of this would be [[Graceful Charity]]’s Japanese name. It can be correctly translated into “''Angel’s Charity''”, “''Angelic Charity''”, or even “''Angelic Almsgiving''”. However, the most widely known Japanese name for [[Graceful Charity]] is “''Angel’s Gift''”.
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** Ties to historical background such as religion, literature, art, or geography.
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** The cover pages of booster packs, etc. that the card appears on. (Example: [[Archlord Zerato]] is the cover page for [[Ancient Sanctuary]] booster.)
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** Artwork censoring, in terms of sexual suggestiveness, religious offense, etc., from the [[OCG]] to [[TCG]]. Most censors include taking out the halos of [[fairy]]-[[type]] monsters, covering up the cleavage of female monsters, the demon horns taken off [[fiend]]-[[type]] monsters, or taking out the crucifix. (Examples: [[Shining Angel]] had a halo.)
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** Redrawn card artwork. (Examples: [[Otohime]], [[Soul of the Pure]])
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** Progressive storylines that a series of cards tell. ([[Warrior Lady of the Wasteland]] was once [[D.D. Warrior Lady]] as seen in [[Karma Cut]].)
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** Other card artwork that the card has appeared in. (Example: The man from [[Second Coin Toss]] appears in the artwork of [[Goblin out of Frying Pan]], holding a [[Gust Fan]], and alongside [[Goblin of Greed]] who has a [[Pot of Greed]] in his hands.)
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** Picture counterparts or “brothers” that resemble each other in terms of physical body features, outfits, weapons, but not necessarily, (and rarely), in color. (Example: [[Dryad]] looks like [[Lady of Faith]].)
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* What does not count as card trivia:
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** “This card resembles a turtle”.
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** This card is spelt “so-and-so” in the video game “whatever” no longer attributes as card trivia. Misspelled video game card translations and wry card effects are now going to be distributed into their respective video games pages reserved to game glitches only.
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** The attack name of a monster. (Example: In the anime, Cyber Dragon’s attack is called “Super Strident Blast”.)
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** The different effect that a card has in the anime that’s not in the TCG. (Example:  In the anime, [[Card of Sanctity]] allowed both players to draw until they have six cards in their hands.) Don’t get me wrong: This is very valuable information and we’re glad you can share it with us. However, any differences in the Anime from the TCG will be listed strictly on the Anime and Manga Appearances page rather than the trivia page.
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===Vandalizing===
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* '''Vandalizing:''' Yes, Alexis’ boobs are big. It’s nice to know. We’ve gotten over half a dozen dickwads concerning her sex life with Jaden on her character page and that’s only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to all the reverting of vandalized pages some of us had to undergo from the multitude losers who apparently have nothing better to do than replace entire pages of content with ''jjswg''. Please. Go jerk off to more hentai; we don’t need you here.
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** Anonymous vandalizing — We catch you up to doing no good and we ban you for anywhere from an hour (hopefully you’ll get off that library/school computer by then) to a week.
 +
** Logged In Vandalizing — If you have an account and are found disturbing the peace on this site, you will be banned. For an infinite amount of expiration time. You can never edit. Here. Ever. Again. So don’t do it, ok?
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==A new idea==
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* I'd like to hear some opinions on getting a YGO Wiki-only IRC channel. (That is, if Fox approves of the idea, first. ;P) What do you think of that? It'll communicating much easier than just simply using talk pages. Maybe some of you can settle the reverting battles much quicker this way. XDD;;
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Quesions? Comments? Suggestions? -- [[User:Huajun Chen|Huajun Chen]] 19:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:09, 21 August 2007

Add a new entry!

Why are we here?

The answer is simple, yet complex. Some of us are here to aid in cataloging all the cards that exist. Others because we love everything about it. In many ways, we seek to integrate everything we see in sites like Ideal808, Upper Deck Entertainment, the Yu-Gi-Oh Info on Netrep, GameFAQs, and info from sites like Pojo and Metagame. Also these sites could help Manjyome Thunder, Shriek, Janime and Yu-Gi-Oh! Fans

To integrate all the reference material you see there... that is our goal. To be the best and most dedicated website in existence to all players and fans alike of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Universe, and above all, to be totally 100% free to use and quote material from.

Database Update

We are currently in the process of updating the image database in accordance with our new Image Policy. During this time, some images may be unavailable.

Please do not be offended if images you have contributed disappear from the list available under the "My Contributions" tab on your user space. To standardize filenames, images must be downloaded, saved under the new name format, and then re-uploaded. Although this does remove your credit byline from the image page, it does NOT affect your overall contributions.

Contributors

To make contact easier with the main Site Maintainers, here is a list of contact details for members that wouldn't mind lending a hand to new people:

Bureaucrat

Admins

Volunteers

Japanese names

For the cards, would it be possible to provide Romanized and translated (if not already in English) names?--208.252.179.26 03:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I eventually plan to offer an English Name -> Japanese Name -> Translated Japanese Names tabled at some point. Stay tuned.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 11:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagged Images

Would it be possible to use the new tagged image thing for card trivia, etc? (See example at Image:ReinforcementoftheArmyLOD-EN-SR.jpg.) --Miff Falden(tlk|fur) 03:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi everyone, dont know what you mean here miff thefox, about images I think we should add some fair use license template, for not breaking the law, what do you think? --Andersmusician$ 00:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Making lists more useful

The current state of lists seems a bit unsatisfactory to me. Leaving aside bad formatting and incompleteness, it's the scarcity of information which annoys me most. There's the card names followed by centimeters, even inches, of blank, unused screen space.

What about giving basic statistics for each card in the lists? We can even make tables and thx to techies running Wikia, even sortable tables (see User:Pjacobi/tabledemo). I'm rather puzzled, why class="sortable" is available but class="prettytable" doesn't work. Perhaps because the latter is left to the individual Wikias.

Of course such a change would be a lot more realistic, if these enhanced list can be generated offline from some database or on this Wiki using a bot or a bot-assisted editor.

Pjacobi 15:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Image request

Hi. If anyone could get card images of:

That'd be just great. Rodtheanimegod4ever 01:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

THIS IS URGENT!

  • hey can sum1 put in the new episodes 4 season 4? -- edited by:Ogi File:Wind.gif
    • Technically, Season 4 is not out yet. We're still in Season 3. Minhtam2448 23:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Please don't use "This is urgent" for non urgent matters. Thanks.

Fusion

  • I move to add a section of monster card pages to indicate what a monster can be fused into. Especially with E-heroes, this could potentially save a lot of confusion. You know, just an idea... --Phred 19:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Ironoid

  • I'm iffy on the card Ironoid. There are no other websites with this card nor has anyone ever even seen the artwork. Google comes up with 10 searches; two of them our own site and the other 8 random sites not pertaining to Yu-Gi-Oh in any way or manner. -- Huajun Chen 15:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Notice to contributors and mods

If you were wondering just what in the holy hell I’ve been doing the past three days, filling up the Recent Changes section with a gazillion categorization edits, let me explain: TwoTailedFox recently stated “categorization slows a wiki down” or something among those lines. While I agree with that statement, I still think some form of organization is necessary for this website to flourish.

Merged Pages and Categories

  • Gameplay The Basic and Advanced Gameplay categorizes have been combined into one mega-category. The numerous sub-categorizes that were formerly part of the Basic Gameplay have been cut down and also been moved to the mainstream Gameplay category. This new category is very broad—the whole reason why I underwent major revamping—but its border is thick enough to separate the term “replay” from pages in a whole other realm.
  • OTK, FTK, Lockdown: Notice how these three items no longer have categories? That’s because they’ve either they have become a deck type or moved to their respective Card Trivia pages. There’s no such thing as a lockdown without a deck built around it or an OTK that doesn’t require less than two cards.
  • Anime Terminology: Pages like “KaibaCorp”, “Electrodes”, and “Armor of Unity” have been merged and classified into their respective pages, depending on which series they belong in. The exception to this is the Millennium Items, seeing as they’re practically the symbolic centerpieces of the original anime.
  • Card Lists: Remember the massive amount of card lists we had just a few months ago? Notice how they aren’t there any more? Because really…how many people will type in “card lists” in the search engine? Isn’t it so much simpler to put information directly in front of them, rather than make them do all the work and searching? It’s because either:
    • They have been converted into templates. (Ex: Amazoness card list, Ninja card list, BEWD card list)
    • Deleted, because they’re useless. (Ex: Vampire card list, Sphinx card list)
    • Moved to their appropriate content page and abridged under a dynamic box, the same ones we use for the character decks (Ex: Counter Trap Cards card list, Field Spell Cards card list)

Card Trivia

  • Some people seem to not understand what "card trivia" is. The following is accounted as card trivia:
    • The Japanese name of a card (Ex: Sangan is called “Critter” in Japan.) There are a million and a half ways to translate Kanji into English. Before you add in a Japanese name on a trivia page, first check it up on Google or another search engine to make sure it’s widely accepted in the fandom. An example of this would be Graceful Charity’s Japanese name. It can be correctly translated into “Angel’s Charity”, “Angelic Charity”, or even “Angelic Almsgiving”. However, the most widely known Japanese name for Graceful Charity is “Angel’s Gift”.
    • Ties to historical background such as religion, literature, art, or geography.
    • The cover pages of booster packs, etc. that the card appears on. (Example: Archlord Zerato is the cover page for Ancient Sanctuary booster.)
    • Artwork censoring, in terms of sexual suggestiveness, religious offense, etc., from the OCG to TCG. Most censors include taking out the halos of fairy-type monsters, covering up the cleavage of female monsters, the demon horns taken off fiend-type monsters, or taking out the crucifix. (Examples: Shining Angel had a halo.)
    • Redrawn card artwork. (Examples: Otohime, Soul of the Pure)
    • Progressive storylines that a series of cards tell. (Warrior Lady of the Wasteland was once D.D. Warrior Lady as seen in Karma Cut.)
    • Other card artwork that the card has appeared in. (Example: The man from Second Coin Toss appears in the artwork of Goblin out of Frying Pan, holding a Gust Fan, and alongside Goblin of Greed who has a Pot of Greed in his hands.)
    • Picture counterparts or “brothers” that resemble each other in terms of physical body features, outfits, weapons, but not necessarily, (and rarely), in color. (Example: Dryad looks like Lady of Faith.)
  • What does not count as card trivia:
    • “This card resembles a turtle”.
    • This card is spelt “so-and-so” in the video game “whatever” no longer attributes as card trivia. Misspelled video game card translations and wry card effects are now going to be distributed into their respective video games pages reserved to game glitches only.
    • The attack name of a monster. (Example: In the anime, Cyber Dragon’s attack is called “Super Strident Blast”.)
    • The different effect that a card has in the anime that’s not in the TCG. (Example: In the anime, Card of Sanctity allowed both players to draw until they have six cards in their hands.) Don’t get me wrong: This is very valuable information and we’re glad you can share it with us. However, any differences in the Anime from the TCG will be listed strictly on the Anime and Manga Appearances page rather than the trivia page.

Vandalizing

  • Vandalizing: Yes, Alexis’ boobs are big. It’s nice to know. We’ve gotten over half a dozen dickwads concerning her sex life with Jaden on her character page and that’s only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to all the reverting of vandalized pages some of us had to undergo from the multitude losers who apparently have nothing better to do than replace entire pages of content with jjswg. Please. Go jerk off to more hentai; we don’t need you here.
    • Anonymous vandalizing — We catch you up to doing no good and we ban you for anywhere from an hour (hopefully you’ll get off that library/school computer by then) to a week.
    • Logged In Vandalizing — If you have an account and are found disturbing the peace on this site, you will be banned. For an infinite amount of expiration time. You can never edit. Here. Ever. Again. So don’t do it, ok?

A new idea

  • I'd like to hear some opinions on getting a YGO Wiki-only IRC channel. (That is, if Fox approves of the idea, first. ;P) What do you think of that? It'll communicating much easier than just simply using talk pages. Maybe some of you can settle the reverting battles much quicker this way. XDD;;

Quesions? Comments? Suggestions? -- Huajun Chen 19:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)