Talk:Number C96: Dark Storm

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Rank 3

I was thinking that this page should list "Dark Storm" as a Rank 3 monster. I'm certain it will be a Rank-Up Xyz, considering it will be summoned by Number 96 with help from Vector and that it's name is "Dark Storm" instead of "Dark Mist (with an additional word, Utopia-Utopia Ray, Shark Drake-Shark Drake Veiss).--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 14:06, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

As likely as that may be, it's still speculation. Currently, the only thing we know with certainty are the card's Japanese name and the fact that it's an Xyz Monster. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 14:08, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Good spot, Computer Bug, but like Dino said, we should wait until we see it in action on episode, officially. --iFredCat 14:10, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Alright then. I am really looking forward to seeing what it looks like.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 14:22, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

The Rank may be speculation, but should it still have its Type since the Chaos cards keep their original type? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 15:30, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Still speculation, so please wait. --iFredCat 16:14, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, there's absolutely no harm in waiting until we get confirmation. Better we hold off and have the would-be speculation confirmed, rather than add well-reasoned speculation that is proved wrong as more information is released. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:35, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

How is that speculation? It's just a continuation of the pattern. What else could this be if not a Fiend? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:20, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Same could have been said about the attribute of CNO.'s until C104 was revealed so best thing to do is just wait for more information on it to be released. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 19:06, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

However, I think the fact that it requires 4 materials and has the effect of "number against number" is obvious --User:XBrain130

So is it being a fiend. 104 is a special case because the card creators want it to symbolize Vectors deception. There is very little chance that this card will be of a different Type than its original form. It's as obvious as it being an Effect monster with 4 Materials.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:59, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

C39 is still Warrior and C32 is still Sea Serpent, do that prove you nothing, Rocket? --iFredCat 22:03, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it proves my point entirely that this card will be a Fiend the same as C39 was still a Warrior and C32 was still a Sea Serpent.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 00:19, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

I am confident in the fact that it will be Ranked-Up, considering not only did Vector give Number 96 a Rank-Up card, but in the preview, it is clearly seen that when C96 is summoned, 96 is covered with the same pinkish-red aura that every Ranked-Up Monster is when summoned using a Barian's Force card. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 23:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Materials?

Can I know a proper reason, for why removing the materials? It isn't a speculation if we compare to the rest of the NC. They have all 1 more Material in relation to their counterpart. So yeah, if there's a reason why is speculation, please do advise me why it is; Knowing that we have proof of it.--~NS~ 21:25, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Same for "Cannot be destroyed in Battle except with another "Number" monsters." line. One user just rejected it after other user helped with the link (Number for the reason). --iFredCat 22:02, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I know I saw; Maybe it was because he got mad that his edit was invalid so the rest are invalid too!... It's childish if you ask me... --~NS~ 22:29, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not being childish, I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. You can't say one thing is speculation without proof and then say something else is fact without that same proof. It's either one or the other. So which is it? Is this a 4 material Fiend/Xyz/Effect, fitting with the Chaos Xyz pattern; or do we leave this with a bunch of question marks until we see the card in print or on screen?--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 00:22, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

The thing is that I do not care about the type or the level of the monsters, what I care about is why was the numbers of materials removed when what we know is very predictable, this topic is just for the number of materials and only number of materials. I was editing something that we already know. Every Number C has always +1 material in comparison to their counterparts.

Number	Materials	Number C	Materials
			Shark Drake	3 Level 4 Monsters	Shark Drake Veiss	4 Level 4 WATER Monsters
Utopia	2 Level 4 Monsters	Utopia Ray	3 Level 4 LIGHT Monsters
Utopia	2 Level 4 Monsters	Utopia Ray V	3 Level 5 Monsters
Utopia	2 Level 4 Monsters	Utopia Ray Victory	3 Level 5 Monsters
Dark Mist	3 Level 2 Monsters	Dark Storm	4 Level 3/2 DARK? Monsters
Masquerade Magician - Shining	3 Level 4 Monsters	Masquerade Magician - Umbral	4 Level 5 Monsters
Cestus the Meteor	3 Level 4 Monsters	Burning Knuckler - Caestus the Comet	4 Level 5 Monsters
Number 106: Giant Hand	2 Level 4 Monsters	Giant Hand Red	3 Level 5 Monsters
Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon	2 Level 8 Monsters	Neo Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon	3 Level 9 Monsters

Again, if you are mad because your edit was undo because it had no source then don't remove stuff when they are already predictable.--~NS~ 00:32, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Talk to the admins, not me. The Type is as predictable and has as much source as your number of materials "predictions". And what more, the number of materials could be changed for all we know. This card could be a rare case of Number that could end up in reality with the same Number of materials are cards lke Hazy Flame Basiltrice or Fanged Shark Emperor - Shark Caesar which can have from 3 to 5 materials. Who's to really say until the card comes out. This is everything the admins told me and it also applys to any aspect of the card. You can't say one thing and then not also mean it for another, similar thing. That's not how things work. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 03:33, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

I would agree that the materials will probably be 4 but, as with my earlier point about its type being Fiend, Konami could break the pattern as they did with 104 and regardless of weather it's a special case it still breaks the pattern. So as I said, yes probably is going to be a 4 material monster but until Konami do a official reveal or it is shown in the anime there isn't a real way of telling, at the moment there's like a months wait till this cards debut so if everyone takes a deep breath and calms down its not that long a wait, then we'll have full confirmation with out it resulting in an all out editing war. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 22:45, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

That's pretty clearly proving that Dark Storm will have 4 Level 3 Monsters as Materials. But still, I would just wait until the episode it show up is put up and we can see how it come out. --iFredCat 00:35, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Name

Why is this guy still named as "Number C96: Dark Storm"? "Dark Storm" is his OCG name, but it has to be "Number C96: Dark Mist" like his TCG equivalent "Number 96: Dark Mist". It's the same like "Number 39: Utopia" instead of "Number 39: King of Wishes, Hope". --TheGallisMan 03:05, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, the Japanese text says "Black Storm" and we used "Dark Storm" per the name of "Dark Mist", who was originally "Black Mist". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:08, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Like with old cards, "Black" was original name for them, but for TCG (English/American), it was little "racism" that we called "Dark Magician" Black Magician while he's a white so we had him named "Dark Magician" instead. Same reason for this card being "Number C96: Dark Storm" instead of "Number C96: Black Storm". --iFredCat 10:57, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Similarly, if this card turns out to be Ranked-up by Rank-Up Magic - Barian's Force, if the pattern holds for names, the name would be changed in one way or another, just like how Number 105: Burning Knuckler - Cestus the Meteor became Number C105: Burning Knuckler - Caestus the Comet, or how Number 106: Giant Hand's Japanese name became Number C106: Giant Red Hand's Japanese name.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 12:42, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Still, Utopia kept his name (Utopia -> Utopia Ray V) only with two addition words to his name. But for "Dark Storm", that's the right theory of why they decided to give him "Storm" instead of "Mist Virus" or whatever. --iFredCat 12:55, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Whatever people, fighting each other wont make any good. On Yugiohpedia.wikia, I edited it's DARK attribute, Fiend/Xyz/Effect, Rank 3 (of course, makes a lot sense why by the name, but people here have hard time understanding common sense, like admins here), ATK & DEF are unknown. http://yugiohpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Number_C96:_Dark_Storm --Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 03:56, April 8, 2013 (UTC)SDOne1

We would rather appear professional and be known as the website with 100% correct facts rather than gamble its reputation on something that is not guaranteed to be true. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 04:00, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much this. yugiohpedia.wikia.com was formed out of users who wanted a Wikia like this one, but run by them instead (it was even renamed when they realised that just focusing on ZEXAL wasn't the way to win people). I would rather have this site known as somewhere that publishes what is known, rather than speculates on what isn't known.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:25, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

True that. On top of that, the yugiohpedia just looks like a tacky rip off. Anyone who'd get info from there is like using wikipedia as a scholarly source for a college term paper, the paper would be flunked and shredded. This is where I'd rather go. It may be a wiki, but it's facts are straight from the horse's mouth. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:38, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Cannot be destroyed by battle except against other "Number" monsters

Should we leave in the effect that Number C96 can't be destroyed by battle except against other Numbers? That's the effect that all anime/manga Numbers are supposed to have, right? ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 13:41, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's specualation. Number 92 didnt have that effect and thus we cannot be 100% certain.Quick Ninja (talk • contribs) 13:46, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Dude. It's a given. If "Number 92" was able to be destroyed by battle with any monster, it'd be different. However, the effect turned out to be that it can't be destroyed by battle with any monster. At the very least, "Number C96" will not be able to be destroyed by battle with "Number" monsters. --14:18, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Except against Number monsters you mean, UK. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 14:21, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I meant to say it will not be destroyed by battle with non-"Number" monsters. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 14:23, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

But still, if one Number has a different effect, even as small as this one, we cannot assume all numbers have that effect. We now have possibly false information on the wiki.

Quick Ninja (talk • contribs) 19:16, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

The effect applies to all Number monsters. Remember what Shark said at the 2nd episode! Energy X ∞ 19:40, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Remember how Zone said he was Yusei, but then it turned out he wasn't? Quick Ninja (talk • contribs) 22:20, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that was the base idea, and the base idea now is that the Numbers vs. Numbers is the only battle method one can destroy in the anime/manga. Energy X ∞ 22:25, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

To be entirely honest, we probably shouldn't list it as an effect until the card is played. However, we've done so for every "Number" thus far, even when no information is available at all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:58, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Not really revealed

This card does not seem to be real form of himself. If you can or see any different from these two images, explain it, because I do not think Konami is stupid is enough to make a stupid looking monster in Ghost Rare (including being a Cover Card). By the episode 103, if this card is shaded in Dual-ism of Mirrors, that means the revealed image is fake form just like his original form had one. Think about "Number C107: Neo Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon", he was not revealed in his first Summon, because anime makers probably do not want to revealed something that sounds interesting or would be great.

--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 21:52, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that the shaded form in Dual-ism of Mirrors the one we saw in the episode are the same, just in different positions. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:58, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. you both seem to right. There are quite a few similarities between the shaded form and what is shown (and it's possible the shaded form is the one shown standing on its hind legs). Then again, there are a couple of differences as well, like where are the big eyes, or it's hind legs? The only way to know for sure is to wait and see what the opening shows next week. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:07, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Just like "Trashy-Eyes Fat Dragon" when he was first summoned onto the Duel - he took a position of "Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon". This one don't, like NMBR said; in that "Dual-ism of Mirrors", it was standing on its rear legs, perhaps reversed to show it strength while in the actually duel, it was on four paws, growling at Astral like if he was C96's prey. --iFredCat 21:10, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the "predator" form is the one shown in the artwork or the card on the show, but this card could be like Number 69 and have a different form that will be shown when it uses its ability (the ATK gain ability, not the inflicting damage ability). Either way, like Rocket said, we should just wait until the next episode's opening to see for sure. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:24, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry folks. This is its fully realized form. It appears in the opening credits for ep 103. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:51, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I saw it too. Looks like the same form just in a different position. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:01, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Is this card even worth being Ghost Rare?? He is just "Number 96: Dark Mist" in some animistic form, more like a dog or some creature. The effect sure is powerful, but the appearance poorly not cool or any different from before. But I think he still stays black after evolving in this form, because of who he is, "96" clockwised looks the same, so staying black states will still be evil in condition no matter what, does not changes the behaviors and still evil.Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 23:41, May 15, 2013 (UTC)