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Rewrite

Once I have finished this, I plan to rewrite it in the future to give it a more unique feeling (its currently based heavily on the wikipedia article on Ryo Bakura). I was thinking perhaps to make if more biographical, but to do that I would need a specific source, not multiple sources. I think believe the Anime, from series two and onwards (the English anime began from series two), would be a good choice for that source. TwoTailedFox, what would you suggest? Thank you - Arctic Wolf

Bakura's Fate

The bio doesn't really explain what happened to Dark Bakura in the end. As I recall, there was Thief Bakura, Dark Bakura who duelled Little Yugi, and in the magna I believe there was a third Dark Bakura who was the overall mastermind behind Memory World, which proved to merely be a TTRPG. From memory anyway. So I think it'd be beneficial to mention what happened to Dark Bakura at the end of the series in both formats. I don't actually know what happened though.

Additionally, does Bakura show up at all in the DOMA Arc? Even if it's brief, it's worth mentioning if he does anything even somewhat plot related. Vagrant Lustoid 23:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Umm....Bakura is this one, okay? -_-^^ 82.38.16.182 09:25, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

All right, I'm going to try and explain this in the least confusing way as possible. Dark Bakura (Yami Bakura) was a fragment of Zorc the Dark One's soul and took control of the good Bakura. Also, in the Shadow RPG, he took control of Thief Bakura to achieve his evil goals. When Atem summoned The Creator of Light to relinquish Zorc, Yami Bakura's spirit was destroyed as well. (as they was revealed to be the same person). As for mentioning the fates of the characters, they should be mentioned that his spirit was destroyed, but it does not need to go into great detail into it because that is more for the Yami Bakura/Zorc Necrophades pages.--Qim1 23:54, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Edit: After looking at the article, it is actually mentioned under the "Millenium World" section, so you can refer to that, though I just realized that you wrote that over 2 years ago... I guess I wrote all that for nothing.--Qim1 00:02, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, when is it ever said that the spirit of Thief King Bakura...is Zorc?

...Because that makes no sense. We know Thief King Bakura existed as a child and wanted revenge on the Pharaoh because he witnessed the slaughter of the village of Kul Elna. Thief King Bakura is a seperate individual from the demon Zorc.

Saying Thief King Bakura is Zorc is the same as saying Priest Aknadin is really Zorc too when he becomes Shadow Magus. They become connected to Zorc but they're still individuals.

I just wanted to ask and discuss this before taking it upon myself to edit this article. Any thoughts about this?66.76.60.163 07:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Makoeyes987

Exactly, when is it said that Thief Bakura is Zorc? It doesn't say he is in this article. -- Deltaneos 09:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm referring to the article stating that Dark Bakura....the spirit within the Millennium Ring, is just Zorc. However, I forgot that in the anime, it shows Bakura in the Dark RPG saying he is Zorc. So I guess that's where that comes from. However, I think it should be noted that in the manga, Dark Bakura never says such a thing, since Dark Bakura...the spirit within the Millennium Ring, is Thief King Bakura. Does that make sense?66.76.60.163 22:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Makoeyes987

They are different people 82.38.16.182 09:27, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the spirit is actually Zorc, wasn't it more like Thief Bakura put his soul into the Ring but Zorc also but a part of his soul (somehow O.o) and so the spirit is some kind of fusion of both?

In the Millenuim World manga, Yami Bakura loudly announces that he is Zorc. It was also pretty blatantly hinted at in the last arc of the first manga.

Connections to the Thief King

What exactly are Ryo's (not Yami Bakura's) connections with Thief King Bakura? Is he supposed to be his reincarnation? That makes absolutely no sense unless Thief King Bakura had only part of his soul sealed in the Millennium Ring (I don't remember that ever being specified). Forgive me if this has been clarified before, but I actually could find next to nothing on their link.

Yami Bakura had his spirit sealed in the M. Ring, not Thief King Bakura. Thief King Bakura is a separate person who was possessed by the evil spirit of the Ring. (See my explanation above). As for good Bakura's connection to the Thief Bakura, I don't think there really is a connection between the two, though I may be wrong.--Qim1 00:39, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Deck

where does it say that Ryo made his deck(s)?--204.228.23.204 (talk) 16:18, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

His name

Isn't his name "Ryou" not "Ryo"? That extra U makes a difference in names and meanings, including pronunciation. That one of the very first things you learn in Japanese.

Tnlplus3 (talk • contribs) 14:45, March 19, 2011 (UTC)tnlplus3Tnlplus3 (talk • contribs) 14:45, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

"Ryou", "Ryō", "Ryô" and "Ryo" are all acceptable English spellings, even though the latter may have a different sound in Japanese. "Ryo" is the one used in the English manga. In most English Yu-Gi-Oh! media, it's more common to drop the "u". e.g. Mutou → Muto, Fudou → Fudo, Itou → Ito. Rōmaji spellings however favour the macron (ō). -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:12, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

English name

Was the name "Ryo" ever used in the dub? I can't recall ever hearing that name in the dub. They just always called him Bakura, which in English, implies its his first name. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:54, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it ever was. Although I don't think that necessarily means Bakura is his first name in the dub. People like Kaiba and Pegasus are nearly always called by their surname in the dub. However he is called Bakura Ryou (given name, surname) in Yu-Gi-Oh! Worldwide Edition: Stairway to the Destined Duel, while other English language video games have called him Ryou Bakura and Bakura. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:46, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Like Delta said, it's common using to put their last name in honor - usually in Japan, which again referred to my word define of "Sensei" as father from Jack Altas to Rex Godwin. "Sensei" can be also using as "Doctor", "Teacher", etc. So it's just the way Anime adapted to respect the older character with their last name instead. --iFredCat 15:49, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

But we're talking about the English dub, where they don't necessarily follow Japanese manners. And the people who call him Bakura are usually around the same age as him. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:53, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

I am aware of that - if that's true, then why can't Kaiba's first name being "Seto" since his little brother was repeat called "Mokuba Kaiba" oppose to "Little Kaiba" or something. --iFredCat 16:03, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Bakura lineart

Does anyone know where I can find the lineart for normal Bakura (& Shadi & Shizuka & Atem)? Where was the source for all the other character lineart drawings?

Nevermind, found lineart for all Yugioh characters here, well not GX, 5Ds, or Zexal. Perhaps if permission were asked, the owner would allow them to be uploaded here: http://pegsanct.rubberslug.com/gallery/home.asp

Name Needs to be Changed

His name should be changed to Bakura Ryou, since it's his name from the English anime, with proof being here on the official website. Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 14:26, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Except it's directly listed as "Yami Bakura" so Bakura Ryou is probably a typo.--MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 14:45, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

"Yugi thought that his classmate Bakura Ryou was a sweet and good-natured kid. Yugi was right about that, until the evil of the Millenium Ring took over Bakura Ryou's mind and transformed him into the nefarios Yami Bakura. Unfortunately for Yugi and his friends, Bakura kept the sinister Millenium Ring close at all times." Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 15:56, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

I know that description is there, hence why I said "Bakura Ryou" is probably a typo because both can't be his name.--MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 17:11, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

"Bakura" is his first name, wheras "Ryou" is his last name, so "Bakura Ryou" is his full name. Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 17:38, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Bakura is his LAST name. Ryou is his FIRST name. Why else does everyone in the anime refer to them by their last name? Besides it's not like that site hasn't made typos before. In fact, their card database is filled with them. --MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 17:49, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

The dub takes place in the U.S and the people there are American, so people call others by their first name, in contrast to how in Japan people call others by their last name (except Seto Kaiba, but since he's an enemy of Yugi and co. they would call him by his last name, since they hate him). And it's most likely for it to not be a typo; we have no other evidence to support Bakura's full name, since they never said it in the show, and we must call them by their names from the 4Kids dub, since all the anime character articles are named after their names from the dub (such as Yami Marik, Bandit King Bakura, Joey Wheeler, etc.) Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 13:46, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Also, I don't know why the name Ryo Bakura is here. That's only his name in the English manga, not the anime. We should at least do just Bakura. Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 08:21, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Also, there is no proof that his first name is Ryo. Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 14:25, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Then you have CLEARLY never read the manga

Dread (talk • contribs) 14:30, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

This page is for the anime version of the character, and yes I have read the manga. There is a separate article for him in the manga. Only in the manga his first name is Ryo, but not in the English anime, and I've been talking about the English anime the whole time. Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 14:38, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Then you should know that his first name doesn't magically disappear because no one in the 4Kids dub mentioned it. thats simple logic there.

Kaiba, did not have his name changed, Yugi did not have his name changed, Mokuba did not have his name changed, plenty of characters did not have their name changed. "Bakura" was not Localized by 4Kids, its a safe enough assumption that his first name wasn't either.

the fact that the OFFICAL database you linked had a first name there, even if they forgot to swtich the order, is proof enough.

Honestly I just don't think you know how naming conventions work after reading all this crap.

If "What was mentioned on-screen" is the only qualification, then throw a Deletion notice on Gurimo because his name was NEVER mentioned.

Dread (talk • contribs) 15:31, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

If that was a typo and the names were switched around, then it should be changed from Ryo to Ryou Bakura and make this article a redirect page. Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 21:16, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

But, why would every character call him "Bakura", when he's a friend of Yugi's, so it makes sense for them to call him by his first name; they don't just call Joey "Wheeler", or Yugi "Muto". Why would they just call him by his last name? Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 22:24, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

By that logic, Seto is Kaiba's last name and we need to move it to "Kaiba Seto."

Your arguments are falling apart like a stack of Jenga blocks. DrakeyC (talk • contribs) 23:47, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ryo or Ryou?

I just want to confirm which one is his first name, so which one is it? Scheepybird (talk • contribs) 19:55, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Both are acceptable, it makes little to no difference. Translation to english isn't a smooth thing, you will find there are usually multiple different English spellings. there is a reason we list the alternate names in the header and infoboxes.

Dread (talk • contribs) 19:58, September 13, 2015 (UTC)