Talk:Gender/Archive 1

Deletion

megasean3000: I think this page should stay, if the users can dcide what cards are female, plus it's a good help to those who want to use a female deck.(Which is clearly female, such as elves or humans.) —This unsigned comment was made by Megasean3000 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of a female deck? -- Deltaneos 21:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

You have to realize a good portion of the fandom doesn't take dueling seriously. So many fanfictions contain two-bit girl duelists who use randomly scattered female monster cards for no apparent reasons other than the fact their artwork contains boobs. -- Huajun Chen 23:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, female decks rock. They are tough to use because most of them are weak and don't work well with each other, but if you can get the right deck configuration the ladies can win you some duels, and look good while doing it. Anyway, my question is this; Is there any way to tell which cards are male or female based on serial number or some kind of indicator on the cards? If not, then some of the cards in the list are there because of fan guess work. Believe it! 04:49, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

WHUT?

SILENT MAGICIAN'S A GIRL? Rodtheanimegod4ever 23:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm?. -- Deltaneos 23:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's obvious when looking at the card itself, or a high resolution scan of one. Believe it! 04:49, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's not as obvious as one would think. I mean, most of the Magicians are males... and the only obvious exceptions being Dark Magician Girl and Magician's Valkyria (most people don't even think of Card Ejector), and because the pictures of Silent Magicians don't show off their exotic... body, people don't realize it at first. I will admit: I didn't know they were female until some time ago... on another note, there should be a section establishing what anime/manga characters AREN'T female... yeah, I'm talking about you Zigfried von Schroeder, and you too Rally Dawson! —This unsigned comment was made by AvatarofDeath (talk • contribs) 05:32, April 18, 2010

Female Monster Tokens

Since Kaien Token is a woman, she should go in the list... but I have no idea where to put her. Should I list her as an effect monster, or create a section for tokens? --Pizzaman 15:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

A section for tokens. --Dragon Slayer (Contribs • Count) 15:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, done! --Pizzaman 15:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I am shocked that some of these are girls this page totally helped me see that. —This unsigned comment was made by Wonderboi (talk • contribs) 22:18, July 27, 2008

Rose Tentacles has a gender...?

In the English dub, Rose Tentacles is referred to as Female several times... Please add a note regarding this and add the card under effect monsters... —This unsigned comment was made by 68.194.113.91 (talk • contribs) 03:17, July 13, 2009

Cards That Don't Belong

Tsukuyomi is NOT a female despite its long hair and feminine looking eyes. The dead give away is the huge Adam's Apple that can clearly be seen. Also, according to the myth, Tsukuyomi is the god of androgyny along with being god of the moon or whatever. However, the gender is always referred to as male. So I think it's safe to take Tsukuyomi out of the list. If there is no objection then I will remove it in a few days. If so, discuss it here.

A card that I think should be put under suspicion at least is Getsu Fuhma, since the card is based on a male character of a past video game who looks very similar, and because the chest is as flat as a wooden plank. Sometimes the flat chest is an edit to make a female character less sexualized, but in this case there is original artwork to go with it. Getsu Fuhma has none. Believe it! 04:49, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

I'd consider that solid proof that they're both male. They've both been removed in the past for those reasons, but got re-added unnoticed. -- Deltaneos (talk) 05:34, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

So we can say for sure that Getsu Fuhma is not a female? I have never seen the card in person so I can't tell from what is in the yugiohpedia database. Believe it! 01:21, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Maha Vailo I think Maha Vailo is a guy because the refer to it as a he in "Freeze Play Episode 2" Dmaster 14:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Well Yu-Jyo suggests that the English dub just through that in because they didn't want Yugi saying that he was like a female card. And Maha Vailo's face does look find a feminine. --DarkMastero 16:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, I think it was Bakura who said that the card he was most like was a female by the name of Lady of Faith, and this was left in the dub. In fact, Bakura was even shown wearing Lady of Faith's clothing in the shadow duel. The card Yugi was most like was and always has been Dark Magician. So I think Maha Vailo is not a female. The anime exclusive card Immortal Homeostasis shows him close up, and he doesn't look female to me. So if he is a male, both these cards should be removed. Also, I moved this to "cards that don't belong". Hope no one minds. Believe it! 01:45, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Future Samurai Future Samurai is mighty dude-looking. Its chin is square shaped, no breast shape can be seen, and its ring finger is longer than its index finger (though this rule might not be consistent among all artworks). These are strong indications that it is a male. The face looks male, and the hair style is one that is samuri-like, not one that is specific to females. I say remove it. What do others think? Believe it! 01:21, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Darkness Neosphere Getsu Fuhma and Tsukuyomi show us that long hair isn't enough to qualify one as female. I watched episode 178 of GX, and while Darkness Neosphere does have long hair, lip stick, and a long "skirt" of some kind, it's still flat chested and doesn't have a voice actress. So I'd have to say that this card's gender can't be confirmed based on current information. This monster is a fiend with a perverse structure, so I'd classify it as an "IT" more than a he or she. Believe it! 21:14, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I believed it is a female , based off these facts: Darkness Neosphere wears lipstick , has a feminine face with long hair , has a slender physique , and wears a dress like attire. Also during the episode when neosphere is summoned, It makes a vocal noise that sounds feminine to me. Then Neo-Spacian Dark Panther becomes neosphere and makes the same noise. I personally , thought this was enough for It to be on this list , considering Dark Nephthys (which has a birds head and bottom) Was on the list as well. --" Watashi no turn Draw..." 21:53, January 4, 2010 (UTC)SpikeTrigger

We know "Dark Nephthys" is female, because its a DARK version of "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys", who is clearly female because she has breasts and "Hand of Nephthys" is also female.

... I can't make out lipstick on "Darkness Neosphere". -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:07, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

so is that what we're basing this off of ? whether or not the monster has breast? dude why is Gravekeeper's Assailant on the list ? Also about the lips stick. It's blue lol. --" Watashi no turn Draw..." 22:17, January 4, 2010 (UTC)SpikeTrigger

Having developed breasts is obvously not what solely determines what goes on the list. It's a trait only females have. That doesn't mean all females have it. If a card has a Quick-Play icon, we can immediatly tell that it's a Spell Card, but the list of Spell Cards isn't based on whether the card has a Quick-Play icon or not.

"Gravekeeper's Assailant" is on the list because the character Yasmin was the Duel Spirit of "Gravekeeper's Assailant" and was female.

I see the blue lips now after looking at our Japanese card image. It's hard to see that they're blue in our current English image. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:07, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

The fact it wears lipstick doesn't mean it's female. After all, Dr. Crowler wears lipstick too. I don't think it has a feminine face. It would be easier to tell if we could see the eyes (the normal ones not the ones on its torso). As for the noise it makes, it just sounds like a high pitched noise rather than a female voice. So I still say it can't be confirmed. Same goes for other monsters whose gender can't be confirmed, like Nephthys or Glow Moss. Come to think of it, even Jain, Lightsworn Paladin is such a monster whose gender can't be confirmed. I think this was removed before, but it's back again. That should be removed too. Believe it! 03:20, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say the eye-balls on it's chest are supposed to be some kind of fiendish breasts, could that be so? It's hard to tell from the perspective. Also, I think Darkness Neosphere looks a lot like the 'girl' on Change of Heart, with the Angel Wing and the Black wing and all... 81.83.192.110 00:00, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Nephtys and Dark Nephtys are female. First: Nephtys has breasts, and Dark Nephtys is the same monster, just turned dark, Second: the german version of Dark Nephtys is named "Finstere Nephtys" which means she is female, if she was male or genderless it would have been translated as "FinstereR Nephtys" --SG-27 (talk • contribs) 18:21, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ancient Elf Ancient Elf is stated as a he in the card text so I strongly say it is a male. —This unsigned comment was made by Red Duel (talk • contribs) 23:27, August 25, 2011

Reptilianne Guardna

Its gender's not implied through its artwork, but doesn't the fact that it's a "Reptiless" mean it's female? Also (not that I necessarily agree with it) another user is insistant on excluding cards that are part of a female archetype, because the archetypes are already listed. -- Deltaneos (talk) 05:45, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... you may have a point about Reptiless Guardna. As for the females that belong in Archetypes, I say we should still keep them. This page is for listing all females in the game, whether from an Archetype or not. PoirotH 05:49, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Sexist

This article should be removed. It seems very sexist. I mean, is the female gender so rare, or 'special' to everyone here that a section must be made dedicated to the categorising of female-related cards? Really?

Might as well make a male-related section as well... —This unsigned comment was made by EmperorZen (talk • contribs) 06:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Having a card list, of female image(s), is not sexist. It is to identity what cards has female artwork on it. If you want to do a Male Card List, by all means, go ahead and create a page of cards that has male artwork on it. No one is stopping you to create one. --Notra 06:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)Notra

I hope you meant "sexist"... --Blue (Talk) 07:32, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Oh my gosh! O.O Thank you very much for your help! ><; —This unsigned comment was made by Notra (talk • contribs) 09:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

In the anime and manga, female monsters were classified. They were the ones unaffected by "Shadow of Eyes". Early video games, including Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories and Yu-Gi-Oh! The Duelists of the Roses have Equip Cards which only affect female monsters. We've also seen characters make Decks with just female monsters, simply because they are female. People in the fandom do the same thing. You can look at the page existing for those reasons, even if its primary audience happens to be losers drooling over boobs or feminists screaming girl power.

A good while back I thought Female Card List (which this page should be merged with) should be deleted for pretty much the same reasons as EmperorZen. 'Even also said that a list of male cards would be equally valid. It's not equally valid, since male cards haven't been the focus of anyone's Decks nor have they specifically affected by any cards. (Although I supposed you could say "Shadow of Eyes" affacted all male monster, not all monsters bar female ones.)

Categorising male cards too doesn't seem like a bad idea though. We've classified characters by gender, why not cards? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:46, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Male Card List

Why is there a Female Card List, but no Male one? —This unsigned comment was made by 79.69.68.110 (talk • contribs) 04:21, December 24, 2009

Because most warrior type monsters are Male and putting all of them on a list would be pointless, yes. —This unsigned comment was made by ProtoMachineKing (talk • contribs) 23:40, December 27, 2009

Everything not listed is a male -.- —This unsigned comment was made by 125.238.246.107 (talk • contribs) 11:25, August 25, 2010

Dark magician girl

I think you should add dark magiacian girl. —This unsigned comment was made by 210.50.224.176 (talk • contribs) 08:24, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

She's already there under Female-related Effect Monsters in the TCG/OCG. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:12, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

XX-Saber Fulhelmknight?

Somebody want to tell me why Fulhelmknight's a girl? Zeroblizzard 18:07, December 31, 2009 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

Heh , beats me.... it looks like it might have a slight breast poking out , but that could just be how the armor is shaped. Other than that, the card looks pretty dudey to me..... --" Watashi no turn Draw..." 22:02, January 4, 2010 (UTC)SpikeTrigger

Hehehehehe... you said doody. But seriously, I think that was added based on hair alone. I say it can't be confirmed, and should be removed. Believe it! 03:54, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Jain, Lightsworn Paladin, is a girl.

Jain is a girl. You can tell by her face. It looks feminine. Also, her name is a dead giveaway. —This unsigned comment was made by LightMasterJ (talk • contribs) 03:11, January 5, 2010

Yeah but look at that armor. That looks heavy. How could a female hold all that up, let alone fight in it well enough to have an 1800 ATK? Plus, the breastplate is flat. That's a guy's breastplate. Can a female wear a guy's breastplate? I guess, if she's flat enough, or if the plate is too big for her. But look here: Solar Recharge shows Jain from the back. Look at those calves! Like freakin' tree stumps. Females don't look like that unless they're amazoness females. And it would be one thing if its name was "Jane", but to spell it as "Jain" makes it look more like a guy's name. I'd have to see Jain in action in the anime (close up or vocals), or see more cards that show it close up or as a female. Until then, I say guy. Believe it! 03:47, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Not to be off topic, but it would be SOOOO cool if Lightsworns appeared in the anime! —This unsigned comment was made by LightMasterJ (talk • contribs) 13:00, January 8, 2010

I believe Future Samurai is a guy

After researching on the net, I found two websites: Male Body Shapes and Female Body Shapes. And from that, I believe Future Samurai is a guy. What do you guys think?

P.S. You can use these links for future reference on the Female Card List page. ^^ --Notra 05:19, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Notra

I pointed that out a while ago. It does look like a guy, so I think it should be removed. Believe it! 04:58, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Why were several removed from the list

I've been wondering why several had been removed from the list, i mean the ones that are female. Altyrell 02:31, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Can someone please answer this reason? Altyrell 04:44, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

They were simply repeat cards already in the archetypes above. Example, Storming Wynn is already in the Charmers group. Huajun Chen 04:55, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ah ok, that makes sense, perhaps it might have been better had you had stated that when you first removed them, just a suggestion though.Altyrell 05:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I did. I wrote a very long explanation, if you would like to read the History page again. Thanks anyway. Huajun Chen 05:14, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but isn't the point to have them in the female card list as well? If they are females, they should be in the main article. Period. If people want to search a specific archtype they like for a female card, then they can click the archtype link to narrow their search. Besides, Amazon Archer isn't even in the Amazonness archtype. Who's next in that case, The Unfriendly Amazon? How about D.D. Warrior Lady? She's in the D.D. archtype. They should be put back in the main article. Believe it! In fact, I'll put them back in when I have time. Believe it! 05:11, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

... you are taking this way too seriously. Huajun Chen 05:14, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

And for the record, Amazon Archer is in the Amazoness archetype. The Unfriendly Amazon is not. Furthermore, the only archetypes that are listed are groups whose cards are primarily females - Harpies, Fortune Ladies, etc. It's easy to say OH HAI E-HERO POISON ROSE IS A E-HERO, LET'S PUT THE ENTIRE ELEMENTAL HEROES TEMPLATE THERE TOO but sadly, that is not the case. You put those cards back, and I'll revert the changes. Don't waste your time, please. Huajun Chen 05:17, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, then how about Amazon of the Seas? You gonna remove her too? And... AND you removed Eradicating Aerosol! That was a card that I added!!! >8^O You want to go to war? I'll take you to war! I'll keep adding them back into the list until you give up! How j00 like dat? But since I'm a nice guy I will make a list of the new females you added and be sure to list those in my revert as well. Believe it! 05:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Amazon of the Seas is not an Amazon card. And I fail to see why I should care whether or not YOU specifically added Eradicating Aerosol. Your contribution is just as important as any other person's contribution, nothing more, nothing less; it can be useful, or it can be terribly mistaken and purged. Also, if you make a new list, it'll be deleted. Probably not by me, but by some other mod. Huajun Chen 08:11, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

You should care because when you removed Eradicating Aerosol, which is a card clearly involving a female and NOT involving one of these archtypes you are against, you made this personal against me. So if my contribution is just as important as any other person's, then why did you delete mine? It is a female card. It is not a part of any archtype (not that it matters). So why did you remove it? That being said, I fixed the list that you gutted. So if it gets reverted, then I'll revert it right back to its correct version. And you should also know that I have shown you more respect in this matter than you've shown anyone else. I reverted to a correct version but I also included the new ones that were added since then, including your Ice Doll which isn't even a female. But I figured I would give you the benefit of the doubt and let you explain why it is female before I call for it to be removed. Believe it! 03:00, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

.... I'll put Eradicating Aerosol back and edited so that your newest changes (save the archetype flood) are still there. Also, Ice Doll has boobs. Etc, etc, etc. I'm not going to argue you with this. Do what you like with whatever else, but the archetype matter is closed. You keep reverting back my changes and flooding the list with female cards already in the 'all female group', and I'll ban you eventually. Huajun Chen 20:27, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Are you high? O_o --Blue (Talk) 05:37, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Quiet you. Believe it! 05:39, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to apologize, I just wanted a simple explanation, in which I got. I didn't expect this to happen, so again, I apologize.Altyrell 15:38, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's cool. You're not the crazy one here. Huajun Chen 23:13, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

And just who is the crazy one here? Believe it! 03:00, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, should Apprentice Magician be up for debate? There's even evidence on the trivia page to back it up. EgyptianGods 03:10, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Kinetic Soldier

• Is this an actual Confirmed Female? Altyrell 00:30, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Does Blue-Eyes count?

Wouldn't Blue-Eyes White Dragon be considered female because its origin comes from Kisara? —This unsigned comment was made by 70.160.16.148 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. Kisara and "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" weren't considered the same spirit, were they? -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is said that "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" is Kisara's spirit. And I think all Ka had the same gender as their creator. --76.27.8.201 (talk) 18:52, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

• When do they say that all Ka are the same gender as their creator? --YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 18:57, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Non-human characters

What is the policy on non human characters? For example plants and the fore-mentioned Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Are they to be added or excluded? --Qim1 20:05, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Include them. Mermaids, fairies, goddesses, elves etc. aren't exactly human either. Almost anything with a gender can be female. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

And don't forget things with queen and princess in it. Like Volcanic Queen —This unsigned comment was made by 125.238.246.107 (talk • contribs) 11:28, August 25, 2010

Bishōnen

Please learn about bishōnen 美少年 before adding some male cards into this category... Here're some confirmed male cards

• Apprentice Magician 見習い魔術師
• Arcanite Magician アーカナイト・マジシャン and his ilks also counterparts

For most female monster, they will have prominent female features which mostly you can discern it (｡◕ω◕)(｡-ω-)(｡◕ω◕)(｡-ω-) ♪ Skinny figure, fair skin tone and feminine facial features doesn't make me... I mean them ... female... (｡=◡=0) For any card with ambiguous gender, it would be better if you consider them genderless... it won't be cool much if it's a she... but cute much only... (◕ ε ◕｡ )

After all, Yu-Gi-Oh! is quite known for its effeminate characters... ┐(◕∩ ◕0)┌ 仕方がない

Well, that's all, thank you for your concern, just in case.

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Ummm... I'm sorry for removing the posts, FredCat (｡◕﹏◕0)

but I don't think my words are good enough to be here...

I can't remove what I wrote... orz...

but I think I can at least edit on it, right (◕。◕｡ )?

Ace Kirifuda 切札エース —Preceding undated comment added 16:52, July 20, 2010

But still, look at Assault Overload, that is showing Arcanite Magician have a hourglass figured hip. That is what male DOES not have. For Lightsworn Paladin Jain, indeed, that's male but he is hermaphrodite, like Yubel is while Yubel is heavily base on female. Rest of other that you discover, are indeed males. Thanks for your helps. --FredCat ^{T.P. • F.R. • J.R. • W.S.} 11:41, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure you really know the meaning of the word "hermaphrodite" if you classify Jain as one. In the sense of humans (or in this case humanoid), "hermaphrodite" denotes that one has both male and female characteristics in a biological sense, though that often overlaps with physical. Yubel was considered by many to be a hermaphrodite (whether or not she is not a can of worms I'd like to re-open), due to having one breast and one pectoral muscle, as well as having two separate voices. Jain has enough armor on that it's not possible to discern such characteristics, and we obviously don't know what's going on in Jain's head either. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:38, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Try this? I don't referring to Jain's head, but also the "Hourglass figure" part. Unlike Arcanite Magician, Jain is male with female hip and maybe chest but I have no proof for that. --FredCat ^{T.P. • F.R. • J.R. • W.S.} 16:48, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Loki

Should "Polar God Loki" be removed from the list? I can see why people might think that it's female from the artwork, but since the mythological Loki is male, shouldn't we assume the same for the card? Plus Shriek (and this site currently) are calling it "Polar God King Loki". -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:47, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Girls, Obviously

-Doma the Angel of Silence, Get out the magnifying glass and look at the bottom left corner, she’s rocking a min skirt, and the shape of her face it to smooth for a man, and the name “Doma” doesn’t exactly sound like a big strong man does it?

-Getsu Fuhma, She’s a pretty menacing little lady, but she’s come to the fight with a pair of pearl earrings, a silver head ornament, her make-up done and her beautiful long hair blowing in the wind. Her armor is a bit manly but is clearly made for her bust to fit in perfectly , the armored skirt is just a bonus.

-Tsukuyomi, She’s got a gorgeous face, and long blue-purple hair twisted into buns on the sides, a ton of mascara and a shadow on her neck from her glowing orb.

-Jain, Lightsworn Paladin,, She’s got a bob cut and a gold headband , the face a an 18-year-old girl and is obviously a girl, her name is Jain after all.

-Future Samurai, Well she doesn’t look as happy as a Sunny Pixie or anything, but her chest does stick out in the front. Oh and if your still not seeing it then try the fact that all of her hair is swept to one side of her head and tied with a bow that has a trailing piece past her face. Her arms aren’t bulky enough to be a male samurai’s arms and she’s wearing a light blue and navy blue paneled dress.

-Darkness Neosphere, No this on is tricky, but she’s a girl. Her dress is long , her hair is a weird pinkish fuchsia and her chest is masked by the giant eyeball, but is dose push out look a the area around the eye and the area next to the eye, its clear that the vines or bones or whatever that is growing on her makes her looks more manly but I’m sure she’d disagree.

I think this should end all speculation, Obviously. —This unsigned comment was made by Harpie Goddess (talk • contribs) 19:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I used to think many of theme were female too, but some of them have been proven to be male. The others it's impossible to tell just by looking at them.

• "Getsu Fuhma" is based on the character from Konami's video game Getsu Fūma Den, who is definitly male.
• "Tsukuyomi" is based on Tsukuyomi, a male Shinto God.
• It's possible for Japanese animated boys to look like girls. For example the above two. You can't tell just by them having long hair, smooth facial features, earrings and dress-like clothing. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:03, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agreed with Delta, about Tsukuyomi, as he have apple neck (a bump on middle of neck, in front) which is usually for male only, female don't have that trait. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P.} 20:09, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Also, way back when, some soldiers wore a skirt like piece of armor, and the design of Doma's is pretty close to that of Ancient Greece, and all their soldiers were male. --User:Blackwing-John 00:21, October 8, 2010 (UTC)