User talk:Dinoguy1000/Archive/2012/02

Ignition Monster effects

I moved Ignition Effect back to Ignition Monster Effect, since all Spells and Traps link to the Ignition-like Effect page. The Card Table link for Ignition still links to Ignition Effect, and an Admin will need to adjust that. I just wanted to bring it to your attention, in case no one notices right away. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:07, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

And once again I realize my move may have been premature. When I looked at your reason for moving the page, you had noted it was because Spells and Traps could have Ignition effects as well. But I suppose "monster" should stay removed, since it's redundant, right? Such is the case with Quick Effect and Trigger Effect. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Back when I moved the page, there were Spell and Trap Cards included in the list (as I noted in my edit summary); I think they should all be "Ignition-like Effect" now. Nevertheless, yeah, including "Monster" would probably be unnecessary redundancy. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:35, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Cardtable styles

Is there any reason why the cardtable styles are on both MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Wikia.css? Wouldn't just the common.css suffice? I also want to add a min-width: 660px; to just the Wikia skin to fix a problem mentioned at Forum:Wiki Pages Look Odd?. Should I add it to the Wikia.css or add a rule that only affects that skin... or not add it at all? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:22, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Back when I developed and deployed the styles, I'm pretty sure the Wikia skin didn't load Common.css. If this is no longer true, there's really no benefit to keeping two copies of the styles, and the one in Wikia.css should be removed.

If the Wikia.css copy is removed, obviously that should be added in Common.css, but if not, it should probably be added in Wikia.css. If it fixes the problem and has no adverse side effects, though, why shouldn't it be added? (and also, considering the maximum width of the Wikia skin content area is 660px, why does it use min-width instead of max-width?) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:00, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

You're right, that's a mistake, it should have been "max-width". But as it turns out, it doesn't fix the problem. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:10, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nowrapping problem

.navbox .hlist dd,
.navbox .hlist dt,
.navbox .hlist li {
    white-space: nowrap;      /* Nowrap list items in navboxes */
    white-space: normal !ie;  /* IE < 8 no-wraps entire list, so disable it */
}
.navbox .hlist dd dl,
.navbox .hlist dt dl,
.navbox .hlist li ol,
.navbox .hlist li ul {
    white-space: normal;      /* But allow parent list items to be wrapped */
}

This is in both our MediaWiki:Common.css and Wikipedia's. (If you have a wider screen resolution than me, you might need to add more list items to see the problem.) The first bit stops list items in navboxes from line breaking when you use hlist. The second part allows the list itself to line break.

I've previewed the following both here and Wikipedia:

{{Navbox
| name      = Sacred
| title     = Sacred<sup>†</sup> Cards
| listclass = hlist

| list1 =
* [[Exodia]]
* [[Egyptian God]]s
* [[Wicked God]]s
* [[Orichalcos]]
* [[Legendary Dragon]]s
* [[Legendary Knight]]
* [[Legendary Planet]]s
* [[Sacred Beast]]s
* [[Signer Dragon]]s
* [[Duel Dragon]]s
* [[Earthbound Immortal]]s
* [[Meklord]]s
* [[Malefic]]
* [[Aesir]]
* [[Time Lord]]s
* [[Number]]s

| below = <sup>†</sup> Not to be confused with the "[[Sacred]]" archetype
}}

It works fine on Wikipedia, but here the list doesn't line break and goes off the page. I don't see what has been done different on Wikipedia. The .navbox .hlist li rule seems to be causing the problem though, as switching it off with Chrome's "inspect element" fixes it. I don't see why that rule should even affect in this example, since the ul isn't inside an li as far as I can see.

Any ideas? -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:32, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... This one has me stumped, too. I'll try running through our styles later and see if anything sticks out there that could somehow be affecting this (and take the opportunity to check for anything needing updated from Wikipedia or wherever).

That rule works by selecting a descendant li element of an element with the hlist class, which is itself a descendant of an element with the navbox class. It does not, however, need to be a direct descendant, so the rule selects "through" intervening layers of elements - in this case, the ul containing the list. If, on the other hand, the rule used the ">" selector (making it .navbox > .hlist > li), each element selected in the rule would have to be a direct child of the element listed immediately before it, and it would indeed not apply here (or anywhere else, since "naked" lis aren't allowed in HTML). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:20, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

In the last part, I meant .navbox .hlist li affects <li>s but not necessarily the <ul> they are inside. From what I can see that should be all that's needed to apply nowrap to the list items, but not the list itself... unless the <ul> is nested inside an <li> of another list, which is what I thought the second rule was needed for. But in this case the list doesn't seem to be nested, so while the first rule affects the <li>Archetype/series<li>, it should have no effect on the <ul> they are inside. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:40, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Aah, now I see. Yes, it definitely should not be affecting the ul itself. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:44, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think I see the problem now. On Wikipedia, a column of * gets rendered neatly as:

<ul>
<li>A</li>
<li>B</li>
<li>C</li>
</ul>

On Wikia, it gets rendered as:

<ul><li>A
</li><li>B
</li><li>C
</li></ul>

So Wikipedia has space between the lis for it to line break over, but Wikia doesn't. It's probably because they're on a newer version on MediaWiki. Maybe we should drop the nowrapping CSS until we catch up? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:41, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't look at the raw HTML, though I really don't see how that could be the problem myself; HTML is supposed to be whitespace-agnostic (but then, there are weirder rendering bugs). I don't think it'd hurt to drop the CSS for now, no (though at the same time, it's hard to say when we might catch up; Wikia is still running 1.16.5, whereas 1.17.0 was released seven months ago). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:37, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

From what I hear, Wikia will be skipping 1.17 and updating to 1.18 next. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:03, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

That's good, but not my point. I was getting at the idea that Wikia has had oodles of time to test all their infrastructure and code against an updated version of MediaWiki (be it 1.17 or one more recent). At any rate, though, at this point I'd be inclined to ask, why not simply wait for 1.19's release? It's only a couple months out at most, I think. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:57, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

RfA help

You can wake up to three difficult messages now...... Sorry.

Could and those of you I think have watchlisted this page, have a look at NexusShiker's RfA and comment if you want to? As it is, I think if I close it as unsuccessful, it'd be too biased in favour of what I want and if I close it as successful, it might be biased in favour of his friends from Special:Chat. You can comment on the others too if you wish. I did try contacting TwoTailedFox a few days ago, but I don't think he still uses any of things I tried contacting him through. I might ask him if he could close them if he replies, but it's been a week now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:46, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Signature Link

Oh thanks for the warning, i already fix it, thanks once more.--Evolution Blast2(Talk) 12:36, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Tag Force Image Ripping

Hey, I'd be happy to help with the direct ripping if you can take what I've done so far and give me a batch file or a program that works similarly. :)

If you need what I have so far to the point of tools and instructions, I'd be happy to write that out. —This unsigned comment was made by SXR Wahrheit (talk • contribs) 15:57, February 13, 2012

QuickBMS can be used to automate calls to arbitrary executables, though I've never used it myself, so I don't know how to use its scripting language (though I do have a bit of experience with its predecessor, MexScript). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:42, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

A few things

What are we doing for the infoboxes at Type and Attribute? We can't use the new archetype infobox, since it was categorize them as series automatically. Are you planning on making infoboxes for them or are we just going to continue using the old archetype infobox for them.

Is there any way to generate a list of Card Appearances pages that are using images? There are some that have images on them that should be moved to the gallery pages. As much as I love Card Appearances (to the point that I still consider it my main focus despite all the other stuff I do), I really don't want to go through every single page to find the images. I'm also not convinced we need to remove the images from the Card Appearances pages themselves, though I have seen other users do so in the past with no explanation whatsoever.

There was something else, but I can't bloody remember what. Some sort of tracking category question I think... Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Those'll get their own infoboxes at some point, yes. I'm not sure if the articles "Type" and "Attribute" will use the infoboxes as well, or just the individual "Dragon", "Fairy", "EARTH", "LIGHT", etc. articles (I'm leaning towards not, though).

Not on-wiki (since there isn't a template associated with the images, unless I'm mistaken), but it would be possible with AWB, I think (it could go through and find images on pages on its own, but the list itself would still have to be compiled manually).

If you remember, do come ask, my tracking category fetish is a bit underfed recently (did that sound weird? I'm pretty sure that sounded weird). =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:38, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, cool. I'll just leave them as they are for now then.

I may look into that, then.

I will. And yeah, it sounds weird. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:35, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Chart

To let you know, "Magical Stone Excavation" is not explained in that Chart you just fixed. --FredCat 19:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I know (I was the one that added its section header). Unfortunately, I have no idea what the details requiring a note are, so I can't add it. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:54, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Dude, when did Magical Stone Excavation became limited or whichever? --FredCat 22:41, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

According to the chart, it was a late addition to the April 2006 list, where it went from Unlimited to Limited. However, like I said, I don't know any details about it. On the other hand, now that I look, the relevant list says that it was limited only in the OCG. So, really, I know even less of what's going on here than I did before. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:49, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

From what I am aware - it showed "LA", which is late added that is approved in TCG. If you wanted it to approve for OCG, put difference instead. So was it April 1, 2006 when it became limited? --FredCat 22:52, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. I'm not the one that originally added the note to the table, and I'm not the one that added the note to the Lists article. I don't know which, if either, is correct (or if they both are); I don't know where to look to find out; I don't know who else might know. So I really can't do much of anything about it right now. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:02, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I just throw it in for now, prevent it from being listed with no reasons. So not your fault for not get enough information or time to complete it. Relax and do your normal work for now. --FredCat 23:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protect

Could you please Semi-protect this page? Unregestered users keep removing information out of it for no reason (I even backed it up with a reference after the last revert, and it still got removed. Plus it isn't speculation ether)? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Semi'd for two weeks. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:05, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It really annoys me when stuff is removed out of a page without a reason (or good reason). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 21:24, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Image

The reason why he removed it is because it look like "fan-made", just like I did with Banish Psychic. To be honestly, the one I revived was horrible compare to one you just put in - because your version is more on theme. Mine had Different Dimension Gate which Psychic had no connect with. --FredCat 22:06, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

The one I readded (or rather, reverted the removal of) was uploaded by Falzar, and he says on the file description page that it's from Tag Force 5. I'm inclined to take the word of an admin that specializes in obtaining and uploading TF images over some random anon. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:49, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

That license is about when I first uploaded the image. It is the revision on 06:06, July 22, 2011. Then Killergouhl uploaded a montage over it without changing the license.

I'm not sure if we allow fan-made montages, so I haven't reverted it. But I didn't notice the license not being changed.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:13, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

That was interesting, Dino... But at least Dark World's icon is like... focus on the theme. --FredCat 00:17, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't actually pay attention to the different file versions... The image looked well-made, so I just assumed it was a montage from in-game or something.

I don't think such montages should be allowed, really, because then we have the potential of getting into "my montage is better than his, so why do you refuse to use it" territory. In most cases, I don't really think we even need montages of the type you uploaded, Falzar; it's probably better to just use the TF image of a representative member. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:31, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Protection

Can you semi-protecting this page? --FredCat 03:06, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Cheesedude already blocked the person responsible; there's no need for protection at this time. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:27, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Renamed cards

Ah ok! Thanks! ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 09:14, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

hello

thanks for helping me editing Shunsuke Kazama's page..oh btw, he was nicknamed 'Kazapon' by Johnny's Entertainment's artists there--Nur Fadzila (talk • contribs) 07:38, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. =)

Do you have a link or something for that? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:32, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

nope..but anyway,thanks :D--Nur Fadzila (talk • contribs) 22:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

*sighes*

Ok, here's another new archetype problem. There are certain things that are classified as archetypes in the anime and manga, but are not in the OCG and TCG. This is usually not a problem. But there are some that have their support cards released - but not as support cards. The manga version of "Spawn Alligator" is the sole support card for "Alligator", but is not archsupport in the TCG. The "Heroic" cards are now also an issue. The anime support cards that supported "Heroic Challenger" and "Heroic Champion" have all been retooled to be "Heroic" support. If we don't classify these as archsupport on the cad pages, the infobox will not recognize them as archetypes. So now what? Do we list them on the card pages anyway despite their real effects? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:59, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

We had a similar problem with Great Queen Fallen Angel, Rosarian, if you'll recall (though in that case, the archetypes were used as Fusion Materials, which we've agreed don't constitute archsupport). We could add new "anime/mangaarchsupport" parameters, but that would introduce its own set of problems and complexities, especially considering how few cards it would actually end up being needed on. Probably the simplest solution, then, is to tag them as archsupport in spite of their OCG/TCG effects; as long as we have the anime/manga lore, it should be fine. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:19, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

True, though those fit quite nicely into archrelated. Ok, I'll go ahead and do it that way then. I'll get around to creating the aforementioned "Heroic" pages tomorrow. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:04, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Cool.

Back on the subject of Fusion Monsters with an archetype for a Fusion Material, are there any cases you know of where that is the only way an archetype is defined (the archetype has no proper support cards, that is)? Even in such a case, we should still consider it an archetype, I think... 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:42, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Not off-hand, no. I can look into later though, since that certainly piques my curiosity.. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:26, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Went ahead and checked. The answer appears to be no.

"Heroic" fixed itself. One support card for each of the sub-archetypes was retained as support for only the sub-archetype. I created the pages and listed the support cards that aren't as related. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:18, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I thought. It's still possible that there could be one, though; our coverage of anime/manga effects is far from perfect, so it's not a bad idea to keep the possibility in mind, at least. =)

Cool. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:46, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Profile Image

Since you're perhaps aware that I put up the profile box in my User Page - I am curious of how to get my image in there from other site... Just simple to the one I created to show the image of cards I found or created... However, it didn't work as it such to be... --FredCat 01:09, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Adding images to {{Infobox/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Character}} when it's used in the User: namespace is disabled to discourage people from using fair-use images. I've gone ahead and changed up your userpage so the image will display. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:39, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

The one I don't using from this site - I just used the one from other site, which NOT belong to this site as well... you know, hybrid of Squirrel/Spider creature, that has nothing to do with Yu-Gi-Oh... But, thank you for shoving it over. --FredCat 12:49, February 29, 2012 (UTC)