User talk:Cheesedude/Archive12

Some Decks

Should we really list the Decks of Ponta and Abyss on Girag's and Rio's pages? The Decks don't belong to either and they were possessed during the Duels, so they were merely there as hosts. At most, i'd say to list it in their Duel list e.g. Lose (possessed; using Abyss' Deck) with "Abyss' Deck" linking to the Decklist on his own profile page. What do you think? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 19:38, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sort of neutral either way. I prefer to keep them listed on both pages, but if we only do one, then yeah, it should be the one who was in control. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:49, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

That's cool. Well just thought i'd propose the idea to you anyway. Also, could you delete Rex's Deck page since i've moved the Decks to their own pages. Thanks. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 13:28, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Done. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:49, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Genryu aren't related to serpents... but too late.

As to your edit... it removes the point to put it in the description, and makes it a bit misleading. I was indicating how the obviously poor naming of "Wyrm" is indicative of the exact opposite of what we are seeing the archetype to be (Wyrm becomes Serpent in Old English; being half-right in the wrong language doesn't help it at all), in the same manner as "Fairy". It's certainly a bit of trivia, and not something that needs hidden from knowledge, if not should be blatantly noted to make it clear from the get-go (especially with the site's wonderful new approach of adding the Japanese wording of many things to show how they really relate despite the poor translation jobs).

As for your question (rhetorical as it may be), I would say "It should simply have been left as "Genryu". Considering that they are being a variant of Dragon, but distinctly Eastern in design, it would obviously be quite fitting both for description and theme to do so. But, as it's already got an official name, I can only do as I already do with the Angels: be glad I only collect the real cards: Japanese-language.

Thanks for being polite about it at least. Sorry I talk a lot; I just always get all of my mind out at once, so it becomes quite a bit. Jarie スイクン 03:03, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Some things need to be localized. All things considered, I'm happy with "Angel" becoming "Fairy", especially given that there are many monsters of that type that do resemble fairies far more than angels. It also works the other way around. As to "Wyrm", I would note that we may see the same thing. We only have what, six or seven examples for the Type so far. All of them save the Armed Dragon variant resemble Eastern dragons. But we've had regular old Dragon-Types in the past that also do. In future sets, we may very well see non-Eastern looking dragons be Wyrm Types. Konami's localization staff would know that before hand and could take it into account when choosing the English Type name. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:38, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

New problem with images

Although I uploaded newer versions of old images, they still show the old versions (at least for the ones that I overwrote). Will the new mover rights I got from Golden Key help correct this problem? If so, how do I use it?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 16:50, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Its a caching problem that will fix itself eventually. There's nothing we can do but wait. Don't worry about it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:53, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

ARC-V manga

So, you know about the one shot chapter which will be published this month, right? I've been adding the info we know already in the character pages and stuff, but... Since it's just a special chapter and not an actual manga series, should we already consider creating an article for "Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V (manga)" (the DD (archetype), for example, only appears in this one shot) and articles like "Yuya Sakaki (manga)"? For the time being I added the info in Yuya's and Akaba's anime articles. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:03, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Just keep them on the anime pages for now, yes. When and if a proper manga is confirmed, we can move them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:37, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

So for now, how do I cope with the DD (archetype) page? (regarding the "appears in") Do I put it just "| manga = Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:05, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. If I get a better idea, I'll let you know. XD. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Done. I made a brief clean-up in the Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V and added a section for the manga. We leave this special chapter's stuff together with the anime articles for now, then. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:32, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

But you see... Adding "manga_av =" to a card automatically puts a "ARC-V (manga)" link in the article... LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:45, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest you activate the Dinoguy signal. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:36, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Custom Videos

Hi Cheesedude,

I wanted to reach out to see if we could produce some cool custom videos for you this summer. You've probably noticed the new 'Must Watch' video module in the right rail. These videos come from our library on http://video.wikia.com. We can produce some videos for you on whatever topic you think would resonate, and then they will show up in that module. I was thinking we could make a few about some of the bigger events listed in your upcoming calendar http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/2014 For example, a video about "Duelist Alliance - What You Need to Know!", based on http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Duelist_Alliance

Let me know what you and others here think about all this. Thanks. Peter<staff /> 18:28, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

This is pretty intriguing. I'll need some time to gather ideas and talk it over with some others, but I'm certainly interested. Thank you. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:38, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

"ryuusei" translation

When you said "It has the same connotation as "Dragonstar" without being as literal.", you meant this Dragonstar? What's the point in that (fyi, I don't really understand what you said)? How does that have anything to do with the translation as "Dragon Star"? How come "Cosmic Dragon" is accurate? It sounds kinda cool and somewhat suits the TCG name patterns better and is good for the English naming, but that doesn't make it accurate. If only you could tell me "ryusei" is an actual word, and it means "Cosmic Dragon"! But it is not! Except for it being a Japanese proper name, of course, it is a PUN.Take Fumikô (talk • contribs) 03:16, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

"Sei" can mean more things than just "star". "Ryu" can mean more things than just "dragon". "Cosmic" and "star" have more or less the same connotation, ergo "Cosmic Dragon" is perfectly acceptable translation. Stars are cosmic objects. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:18, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Agree that a Kanji letter can have different meanings, but that's not an excuse. Considering the Kanji order, "Cosmic Dragon" could only be perfect for "Seiryuu" or something like that, not "Ryuusei". I could give you a simple example: "神風" would mean "divine wind", but "風神" would be more likely "god of wind". I know the Organization have tried to pick up the best names that is most likely to turn official, and "Cosmic Dragon" DOES sound cool and all, but in regard with accurate translation, it's not so brilliant an idea.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 10:25, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree. "Cosmic Dragon" is synonymous with "Dragon of Stars", while "Ryuusei" means "Star of Dragons". As in, the name doesn't seem to refer to the dragons themselves, but rather a celestial object related to them. "Dragon Cosmos" might be a workable translation. Emmic (talk • contribs) 10:42, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect Text

On the page of http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Pendulum_Summon there is a discrepancy with the text written of:

A Pendulum Summon cannot be negated by cards like "Solemn Warning", if more than one monster is summoned, as "Solemn Warning" and cards similar to it, specifically say to negate the summon of one monster. However, if they only summon one monster, then it can be negated by the effect of "Solemn Warning".[5]. However, you can "Bottomless Trap Hole" the monsters summoned, due to the card saying monster(s), not monster, thus being able to deal with multiple monsters at once.

Note 5's link has nothing on solemn warning at all and is not a proper citation. Also in the OCG content it states the negation of 1 summon in the text which would allow the use of solemn warning against a mass pendulum summon and where pendulum summoning is currently in OCG territory only solemn warning should be able to work against a pendulum summon where its text again states 1 summon. Also in due part on that same page of: http://www.ygorganization.com/ocg-pendulum-summon-mg04-starter-deck-2014-rulings/

It states under pendulum summoning: Q: If 2 or more monsters are Special Summoned by a Pendulum Summon, are they considered to be Special Summoned simultaneously? A: In that case, those monsters are considered to be Special Summoned simultaneously by a single Special Summon.

And where Solemn Warnings OCG text states 1 summon warning should be able to negate the summon of a pendulum summon of 2 or more monsters. Which would mean that last edit was incorrect. If you could please take another look at this and change the text if needed it would greatly be appreciated. Josephxppc (talk • contribs) 22:31, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

I am not the admin to go to for card ruling related stuff. I would try UltimateKuriboh. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:36, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Yuma, Shark and Kaito

They certainly are quite large. Yeah, I think we should split them up for now until we come up with something else. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 15:07, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Blank

In 5D's Ride 58, the Duel Dragon cards of Rua, Ruka and Kiryu appear, but only blank (Jack's is the only one who appears normally AND becoming blank). Does that count as a card apparition? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:52, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

I would say yes for Jack and no for the rest. Assuming that by blank you mean Mark of the Dragon (card). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:06, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I do. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:19, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the information me and my friends are trying to freeze frame at the exact right moments to piece together the frames we need to complete the cards picture. The text may not be completely saveable but were sure the picture of Gagaga Samurai on it is! :)

Fatalfox (talk • contribs) 07:46, May 30, 2014 (UTC)Fatalfox

Gagaga Samurai Thanks you!

Thank you for the information me and my friends are trying to freeze frame at the exact right moments to piece together the frames we need to complete the cards picture. The text may not be completely saveable but were sure the picture of Gagaga Samurai on it is! :)

Fatalfox (talk • contribs) 07:48, May 30, 2014 (UTC)Fatalfox

Dark Dust Spirit missed in the List of Zombie-Type monsters

i tryed to add that card to the list, but i didin't find a way of editing it. Can you do it, please? --OnePiece (talk • contribs) 22:11, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Its an SMW glitch. Try clearing your cache and then refreshing the page. If it doesn't appear after that, there's not much to be done aside from waiting. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:14, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Content Removal

You forgot to remove the manga info from Jesse's article. -- The Talk Goblin 15:36, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Could you delete this page? Its content has been moved to corresponding character articles. -- The Talk Goblin 11:51, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Done. Missed that one. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:12, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

BTW, what are we going to do with episode 8 duel summary? You stated in a edit summary that the duel doesn't begin until the next episode. Should we therefore remove the duel summary from episode 8 and incorporate it into episode 9? -- The Talk Goblin 16:42, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Nothing. That part was shown, it can be kept, I think just find it misleading to otherwise imply that the Duel started. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:11, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Could you also delete this leftover redirect? -- The Talk Goblin 18:23, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

This redirect needs to be deleted too. -- The Talk Goblin 17:53, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Archetype Navboxes

Hey Cheese, I noticed that a few of the navboxes aren't defining cards as part of or support for an archetype, such as Des Imp Scissor for Furnimals and some members of the Superheavy Samurai and Fantasia archetypes. I checked on both Chrome and Safari to see if it was just the browser I used, but it was the same for both. Is it for you? I thought that these sort of things took a few days to resolve, but it's been like it for weeks (and I have never seen Des Imp Scissor classed as support for the Furnimals in their navbox). TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 11:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, something is wonky with SMW. Wikia has mentioned they plan to upgrade to use use LUA (I don't actually know what that is, but Dinoguy says its a good thing, xd). Hopefully, the issues were will be fixed soon. If you've cleared your cache, there's naught to do but wait, unfortunately. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:23, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Character Heading Addition

Hey Cheese, the wiki navigation bar at the top of the pages needs Arc-V added to the character's area. Screenshot. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 23:45, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Dinoguy got it. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:13, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Future Visions

I'll admit that I haven't seen the episode, but there appears to be an inconsistency between pages if that is the case. The Card Appearances page only mentions it sending them from his Deck to the Graveyard. Since Divine Neos can Special Summon itself using Neo-Spacians from the field and Graveyard (in the anime) anyway, it would seem unnecessary to use that card to send Panther to the Graveyard from the field. Anyway, having not seen the episode, I can't really say, so if it is the Card Appearances page that is wrong, please fix that then. --SnorlaxMonster 12:17, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not quite sure how Future Visions and Divine Neos interacted. I'll get someone to check both translations, then edit the pages accordingly. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:44, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, turns out the duel summary was completely wrong and I was crossing the effect listed there in my head with the actual effect. The Card Appearances pages had it 100% right though. Corrected everything now. Thanks, Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:30, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Aster

Hey, sorry to bother you with this, but I've been in a minor (emphasis on minor) edit war with MaxMicster regarding Aster's page (though for the sake of peace, I kept it minor), but we just can't come to the same conclusion regarding the structure of the following sentence.

"Aster is stated by Maximillion Pegasus the creator of Duel Monsters as one of the best duelists he has ever seen, listing him along with Yugi Muto, the previous King of Games and Seto Kaiba as the greatest duelist."

I've changed it properly twice now and it's been reverted. I'm also concerned that the article itself has too many images that both shouldn't be there and mess up the structure, but that just seems to be me. Again, sorry to bother you with this. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 20:17, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Don't apologize for asking me. Its one of the reasons I'm here.

Is it just the wording of the sentence that's the problem or some of the content. Need a little more info here.

The article does indeed have too many images for the amount of text it has. Rather than remove images though, I'd prefer to see the article expanded to accommodate more images. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:23, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

The sentence basically (and redundentally) states the same thing twice (it's a bit painful to look at), so it's the wording rather than the content. As for the images, though, many of them don't even feature Aster in them, which leads me to believe that they shouldn't be there (I haven't changed them based on how defensive he's been getting.) I might note that he also added in that Aster was "a child prodigy and Doctor" (I think he tried renaming the page to "Doctor Aster Phoenix" once), after it had been stated that Aster was never called as such in the show as thus shouldn't be in the article proper.

Yikes. Now I feel like I'm nitpicking.

Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 01:32, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

In that case, the stuff after Kaiba's name can be dropped, then. Redundant for sure.

The images don't always have to feature the character. There's little reason an image wouldn't have him in it, but it depends on the article. A pic of some of his monsters strikes me as fine. I'll look though.

I recall that rename, yes. That was...yeah... Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:35, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 01:49, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Let me know if he starts up again. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:03, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

M-HEROes

Say, which image do you think it's better for the Masked HERO article, the current one or this one? (without the text, of course) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:40, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I prefer the current one. The other one has more members, but the current shows the two that it does much clearer, which I think is more important in this case. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Sanokal and edit

I agree with a lot of the stuff you did to Phoenix's page like some of the stuff you did with some of the the subsections.

First, looking back at the sentence it was simply trying to state how Pegasus finds his top listed duelist as the greatest duelist.

The only thing is that the sentence says "best" then "greatest" confusing the poor guy, when admittedly it probably should've just said "greatest" as "best" isn't really the specific word to use.

Second, I didn't start any edit problems, it was that guy that started constantly rearranging things, not the other way around. Thats how this all began. The guy has been on my ass ever since his first edit there has not stop haunting me since, almost like hes on a mission from god or something.

I dont get why you named one of the sections Jaden vs Aster 2 ... I mean couldn't you at least named it something a bit better, no offense or anything, I understand if the previous title was a bit long but the new one sounds ... well pretty darn lame.

Finally cheese, lets get this thing Doctor thing straight. Looking at what you said on your recent revision it looks like you were trying to say that I said that Aster didn't have two PhD's. I never said he didn't ... so ...

You are definitely right about removing "Doctor" from Phoenix's occupation, hes most likely not a medical doctor, it doesn't seem to be related to anything that he does for a living. Putting it in occupation was definitely a mistake on my part.

On another note even you have to admit cheese theirs no denying these pages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor ~ the personal titles section

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_%28title%29

While not seeming to be his occupation, he personally deserves the "title" as doctor for achieving doctorates as such people are automatically granted the titles.

Although, its not up to me, its up to you. This action needs your approval, should we put Dr. or Doctor in Aster's name or will you just leave it as it is?

Well yeah, that was pretty much it for now, just clearing air and things up.MaxMicster (talk • contribs) 04:48, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

The sentence was redundant, that's all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:29, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Change the section header if you want, doesn't matter.

Yes, he is technically a doctor. It does not matter. He is said to have two PhDs in an off-hand remark that has no bearing on the plot or even on his character. Mentioning he has the PhDs should suffice, there is no reason to refer to him as "Doctor Aster Phoenix". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:29, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine.MaxMicster (talk • contribs) 14:17, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

"All video game lores should be on each page when possible"?

• Not sure if this policy is a good idea. There's at least 24 different video games that have available sections; for most early cards, wouldn't that mean bloating the section and stacking up 25 completely identical lores just to show that it exists and hasn't changed? We don't list anime lores when they're identical (my go-to example is "Stardust Dragon") and I don't see why we should; why not apply the same for video games? Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 16:36, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

"All video game lores should be on each page when possible"?

Not sure if this policy is a good idea. There's at least 24 different video games that have available sections; for most early cards, wouldn't that mean bloating the section and stacking up 25 completely identical lores just to show that it exists and hasn't changed? We don't list anime lores when they're identical (my go-to example is "Stardust Dragon") and I don't see why we should; why not apply the same for video games? Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 16:37, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Eventually, we'll have video game card articles split out, so the lores would be displayed there instead. The CardTable revamp is still pending though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:27, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

DDD

Yo, sorry for always recurring to you, but it seems people don't usually check Talk Pages... *___*' Would you check Talk:DDD please? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:34, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Sort of waiting for the Org to decide. I'll bring it up when I can, as we most definitely do need to standardize them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:44, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Re

Regarding your edit summery. For Mizael, well it was the first time we have someone imply that the teleport and dimension travel was their own tech and not something they got as a Barian. I looked at the series end, and everyone flying was actually just the Emperors key letting them. I really did question why Alito could still produce a red glow when he's suppose to have lost his Barian powers (materializing a Duel Disk he could have done in his past life at one point). On the other hand as you said, they were rather vaque in how they said, they always say lose their powers, but they never say all of it, so I suppose they could retain some abilities, just not the Barian Morph or Number use (I think Astral probably just took out Don Thousand's power from their Numbers with the Numeron code, so they don't have to have Barian power to use them). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 13:05, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not saying that flying wasn't a Barian power. I'm saying that it just wasn't part of what Thousand was talking about in that instance. The Over-Hundreds and Bariamorph were directly tied to Thousand's power, apparently. The rest of the Barian powers, while still Barian powers, exist independently of him.

I assumed the Over-Hundreds just ceased to when Nasch died, but I suppose them still existing without Barian power makes just as much sense, actually.

Ultimately, I don't think we need to mention it at all in the articles, sense any explanation just causes us to speculate. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:56, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to imply that I was going to insert guesses in the articles (I'm against that). I always strive to put what is true but not go beyond (though I do like adding an extra point to further prove some stuff, the points being true ones of course). In this case, I have to agree with not mentioning the Mizael thing given they all retained their other powers even after they lost in a match after getting their memories back. Have you ever wondered if the Yuma part of Astral thing was too rushed? I mean why wait until the last 3 episodes to tell us that (what does it make his family, are they not his actuall family and just adopted him? It's something to really think about. And even then there's the question of how Yuma existed this long given the battle with Don Thousand happened far far years before the current Zexal events; that includes the Seven Barian Emperors growing up in their previous life)? I will dare say I think Zexal ll may just be my favorite in the entire franchise though (though I love 5D's a lot too). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 00:18, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't think you would, but just making sure. The end of ZEXAL was very rushed, yes. I could easily think up an entire arc's worth of additional duels that were hinted it (lack of another YumavVector, another YumavKite for starters). I felt the bit with Yuma being a piece of Astral was sort of a pointless addition. It seems meant to tie back in with Kazuma's comment to Mirai in episode 121 - "Yuma chose us". But its still very vague and I would have preferred it to not be there. Did they think it was needed to explain Shining Draw? If so, there were better explanations. The best theory I can think up is s that since the Numbers are pieces of Astral/his memories, that Yuma is literally Hope in human form. Or something, I dunno. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:24, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

I always felt the Tron send off wasn't so good. His sons got great send off Duels with their Numbers and Chaos forms, yet all Tron does is hault the worlds (which is still big). It would have been so much better if they had Tron find out his sons were gone, and then he showed up and fought Don Thousand, angry for losing his sons while Yuma returned his Numbers. It felt like a missed opportunity. Tron would have lost, but he would have still put up a good fight (this is the guy who brought Yuma to his knees pretty much, it took 3 Zexal weapons to finally beat Tron. No other time did Yuma exert that many in one Duel, though he didn't need to of course). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 00:44, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. Honestly, when the Fearsome Four Duels were going on, I half expected Tron to show up and team with Faker against Heartland or something. Or even against Vector. That would have been cool. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:48, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Forgot to ask this, but aren't V lll and IV's Chaos Numbers not in Astral's posession? Those were man-made cards, so they aren't a part of Astral like the base form ones (they created their own Rank-up and had man-made cards for their specific Chaos Numbers). Yuma created his own Rank-up and Number with the Astral power/Shining Draw so it wasn't simply man-made like the 3 Tron family brothers ones (though Future Number 0 is Yuma's own Number and not a part of Astral either). That said, how should this be handled, should those Numbers actually be changed to Nasch since we don't how those 3 ones work with Astral, and I don't see Astral with them (in fact did Nasch even take the Chaos ones?)? Also it is impossible for Yuma to have even had those before the Tron Family used those ones, because he only had the base forms (the chaos ones didn't even exist until the Tron Family made them, or created them via the man-made Rank-up Urgent Chaos force's that V created). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 16:58, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think of the method of Rank-Up makes a difference. I don't think possession of Chaos Numbers was ever really clear though. We know Vector got some from other people, but he and Nash aer the only ones that ever showed it. I wouldn't really worry about it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:06, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I guess. I don't think it is a big deal either, it's just something I always wonder here and there and question if Astral has their Numbers or not. Zexal is a whole lot better in the area of less plot holes (5D's had so many plot holes it was painful, such as Ruka never bringing up that Crow's Dragon was not the one from her dream, nor why Z-one's group would use Rudger if he was already going to be a Dark Signer anyway and cause Zero Reverse without them doing anything. There's also the big question why Life Stream Dragon got turned into Power Tool Dragon. There's also why Aporia didn't get warned by Z-one about Rua possibly becoming a Signer given he was one in the original time-line). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:23, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Pretty funny

I thought i'd compile Yusei's Standing and Riding Decks into individual Decks and lets just say, if you thought Kaito's, Ryoga's and Yuma's Decks were huge, you'll be in for a nice surprise xD: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:TheScarecrow14/Sandbox#Turbo TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 00:50, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hahahah. Honestly, I thought there would be even more traps. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:55, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Move

Yo, I'm not able to rename "Diary Exchange of Youth" into "Exchanging Diary of Youth", could you do that for me please? :p I researched a bit and this seems to be a more accurate translation. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:03, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

We've been having lots of move problems recently. I'll give it a try later, but I'm doubtful it will work (Entermate Mufflio and One to Jump are still at the wrong names from last week, actually). If it doesn't work, I'll submit another ticket to staff. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:53, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, I noticed the Wikia was going crazy lately but I thought it was just for me. Are you doing some revamp in the Wikia or something? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:43, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

No idea what the problem actually is. I attempted to move Friendonkey, but no dice there either. There have been no successful card page moves in the last week. Galleries and files seem to be fine. I also haven't seen reports of this going on over at an other wikis. I'll submit a bug report to staff. The other admins are just as stumped. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:28, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

If you remove all the offending templates and SMW queries on a page or just blank the page to ensure it's totally cleansed, you should be able to move it afterwards. You can unblank it then. Disclaimer: It takes ages and might not work every time. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:54, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Sartorius

I was under the impression that season decks were supposed to be merged into a single deck if they were technically one and the same deck. Did i miss something? -- The Talk Goblin 16:31, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

In this particular case, I don't consider them to be the same. He identifies Dark Ruler as a new card and his entire strategy rested on Judai having The Fool. Though I suppose the same argument could be made for Vector, so yeah, maybe we should merge them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:55, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

NavBar at Top

Hey Cheese, just wondering but do you know why the navigation bar at the top of the wiki was modified? I think the old layout was fine personally. --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 04:21, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

I do not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:45, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Entermate -> Performapal?

I'm basically wondering if I should rename Entermate Cheermole to Performpal Cheermole (3 subpages already exisit for the Performapal version, even though the actual card page doesn't exist yet. To be completely honest though, I'm been having issues when trying to create card number redirect pages for quite a few of the cards, namely Block Spider. --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 14:27, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Also, the renaming seems to be taking too long after I try to rename a card page. --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 14:29, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Renaming stuff is not working right now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:45, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Cookmates

Since it seems renaming pages it's taking a week, I guess it's the perfect timing. Cookmate Eggman and Cookmate Jagajaga must be renamed (I added the template, but I don't get why my explanations don't appear :p). Also, since you're better with words than me (and is more native speaker XD), it doesn't hurt to check it first; In the first case, its name is "tamagongu"; "tamago" = "egg", "gongu" = "gong", I'd go with "Eggong" (absolutely nothing near "eggman"). The second case, "jagajagā": "jagaimo" = "potato", "jagā" = "jaguar", I'd go with "potatopard". Cookmate Chickwheat is a correct translation, but if you by chance find words for "chick" and "wheat" that can form a perfect portmanteau, that'd be even more accurate. I guess it's better to create their trivias after they are renamed to avoid link frenzy, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:28, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

UltimateKuriboh mentioned a workaround. Try talking to him. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:45, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

It seems X-Metaman was able to move Eggman to Eggong. o.O I'm still not able to move Jagajaga to Potatopard though. Guess I'll talk to Kuriboh then.

Regen

This card. It's the same name and effect as Overlay Regen. I think it's just a case of alternative artwork like this one. But Viz was able to give it another name in English. *___* What should we do? Maybe leave it as an alternative artwork and add "Overlay Regeneration" as the manganame? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 13:52, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

I would do the same as was done for "Reload" when the card was used in the ZEXAL manga. Its just an alternate manga artwork, with VIZ deciding to be VIZ on top of it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:02, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll transfer the stuff to Overlay Regen's article, can you delete Overlay Regeneration then? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:31, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Galilei & Kepler

Any objection in renaming DD Magical Sage Galilei and DD Magical Sage Kepler to "DD Prophecy Sages"? The rename template has been there for a while and they weren't moved yet, is the organization discussing about their names or something? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:01, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Raising Masters isn't out for another week, so no finalized names yet. I highly, highly doubt the Org will end up going with "Prophecy Sage" though. There are no support cards that would be relevant to them, since "Stoic" only affects Level 3 monsters. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:15, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that's enough reason. "Prophecy" was already an archetype before the DD Sages debuted. They are legit targets for cards that support "Prophecy" cards, even if there's none so far. If they ever release a card that, let's suppose, searches for a DARK "Prophecy" monster, the DD Sages would be searchable by it, so I'm pretty positive they will be named "Prophecy" in the TCG, unless they add a "This card is always treated as a 'Prophecy' monster" flavor, which doesn't seem appropriate. The TCG is being very strict with archetype names lately. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:59, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Strict when its relevant. The fact that there are so many monsters that WOULD be Prophecy monsters if they made support is reason enough not to make that support. For lack of a better way to put it: its not going to happen unless the OCG deliberately does it to fuck with the TCG. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:02, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

I see your point, but as I said, my uneasiness is about the possibility of a card that supports "Prophecy" monsters including the DD Sages come to exist in the future. That'd be Summoned Skull/Harpie's Brother all over again. And let's be honest, it's the TCG that fucks itself, renaming cards and archetypes with no need to. (insert cookie monster emoction here) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:37, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Renaming, again

Say, how are we doing with the problems on renaming pages? Do we just have to rename the page once and wait some time for the change to be done, or there is a trick or something to rename a page properly? Both of Yuya's next opponents, Eita Kyuandou and Mieru Houchu, need renaming due to their strong "o"s. :P I've already tried renaming Eita and it didn't work. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:34, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Still hit or miss. I managed to move an article yesterday and it worked right away, but the next move I tried failed three times in a row. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:47, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

I see. On another note, sorry for always appealing to you, but people really don't seem to check talk pages (and I guess you're the admin who's most involved in "working" with the latest episodes' articles). I think this is a kinda important issue. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:07, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Shadow of Mordor versus tournament

Hi Cheesedude! I'm Mark, from Wikia's Community Development Team.

I'm reaching out to see if your community would like to be a part of a versus tournament we're hosting on the Shadow of Mordor wikia. It would go live in September, and we would be pitting Yuya Sakaki against Talion from Shadow of Mordor. The voting would live in a blog on Shadow of Mordor and we would post a button on Yuya Sakaki's page here encouraging your community to vote for them. On the voting blog we would link back to your wikia, and we'll be promoting the tournament around Wikia. If your community would like to be a part of the tournament, which would include the button on Yuya Sakaki's page as well as a link back to your community from the voting blog, please let me know by 8/29.

Thank you! Mark<staff /> (talk) 21:21, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, hopefully I'm too late. I talked it over with some other admins, then waited to see if there were any objections, then...forgot to respond. If its not too late, Yuya would be fine to put in. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:41, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

No worries, you're still on time! I appreciate you taking the time to discuss it with the other admins. I'll add the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia to the list. Thanks! Mark<staff /> (talk) 04:02, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Duel summary

The style I have been using has received no complaints up until what you said just recently. If an effect activates multiple times and we know which cards are used or affected by it, I will just mention those cards (so that it applies to what you have shown). I just feel that the word "letting" should apply when it states that an effect has activated. The statement of a monster destroying another monster after a card or effect interrupts the attack was created by myself after I felt the sentence "the attack continues, destroying ?" could have been a better sentence. I will apply a bit to your styling, but only when an effect activates more than once in an episode or a Duel (since I just remembered there was a similar thing you did for the GX episodes that you edited after I did so).Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 15:03, September 13, 2014 (UTC) http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Cheesedude?action=edit#http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Cheesedude?action=edit#

A Better Understanding

Hey, Ive come across a message you left recently stating that subsections weren't done anymore, which now I feel now is a bit confusing.

Are you meaning that "Mini Sections"(the subsections under the main titles) aren't done anymore?, a response to clear things would be much appreciated.MaxMicster (talk • contribs) 21:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Its not necessarily that they're not done. You definitely don't need so many though. Generally,, one subsection per arc is used, but there are exceptions in some cases, such as Vector. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:55, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Well I can understand not using subsections, I don't use them either, yet Vector, characters from zeal, and most definitely the main characters from 5ds were expanded upon to include mini arcs, side stories, and other events which wasn't really done for Gx characters besides maybe Jaden. What is a decent number of sections, I currently work on Gx character pages ?MaxMicster (talk • contribs) 19:13, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, when the articles get longer, subsections become more appropriate. Aster's article could perhaps use a few subsections. Just not anywhere near as many as were previously there. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:30, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

hmmm oh I see.MaxMicster (talk • contribs) 02:26, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Archrelation

If I may ask, why don't cards related to archetypes show up in archetype boxes anymore? (BetterThanYou92 (talk • contribs) 07:59, September 14, 2014 (UTC))

Its a glitch with SemanticMediaWiki (SMW), which is the program that displays those. Nothing we can do to fix it, unfortunately. It should right itself eventually and/or staff will get around to fixing it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:16, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

ZEXAL 123

It's been a while since I did an episode summary, to be honest. Mind if you look over what I did for ZEXAL episode 123? Also, on a random note, they kept Heartland's death by burning in the dub, though they removed a few shots of him burning up. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 04:42, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

I can look at it at some point tomorrow. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:53, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 05:15, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Made a few minor fixes, nothing major. Good work. One of these days, I'll get around to adding more images to it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:12, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, BTW, if you could give me a list of episodes you've done those summaries for, I'll try to get images into them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:47, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

I did the summaries of ZEXAL episodes 112-117 and ARC-V episodes 5-6. Sanokal-KT did some of the later ARC-V episode's summaries, but I'm too lazy to check, atm. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 03:24, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Newer edits

I am okay with the Life Point change edits you've made, but I have mixed feelings over how you show the stats of monsters. My versions usually apply when a monster's ATK, DEF, or Level is changed. This has been applied to most episode Duel summaries, but nobody had an issue previously. Originally, it was (ATK: ?) or (DEF: ?) I inputted before I felt it was too vague for me to understand what was going on. Is there any agreement we can put through this new problem.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:21, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Well, when the sentence is saying "the ATK of X increases", I see no reason the parenthesis need to then specify ATK as well. If I'm interpreting your question right. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:24, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Partly. After seeing some of the other Duel summary pages, I put ATK and DEF in the same parenthesis and I used this method for a majority of duel summaries I have modified even though by the third season of DM the show only show the stats that are actually modified (though no cared mostly at those points). I usually put the name of the monster in to specify which monster(s) are having their stats changed, which was again inputted in without a problem previously. User:Blueapple128's problem with my duel summaries was that some turns are written as too long and those should be separated into paragraphs, which I complied with immediately.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:29, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that all newer duel summaries do not use that style. Your style is not a problem, but my main goal here is consistency. I'd like to have all the duel summaries reading the same fashion. My general rule is this: If the monster is mentioned in the same sentence, you don't need it in parenthesis. If its not, then yes, add it in parenthesis before the difference. Can you agree to that? If not, I suppose I don't have a real problem with adding that to the newer duel summaries. My main goal is once again, to have a format we can stick to. That doesn't mean I have to like 100% of it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:45, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

I choose to go with my style, which I am trying to make consistent in each episode page as possible. You should try and input this into the newer summaries. I was going to change the episode duel summaries of Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's (only episodes 1-143) to match up to this as soon as I finish the GX Duel Summaries. I also plan to input my style in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL Duel summaries once that is all wrapped up with, but it will take a while to get there. Hope we can make this an agreement!Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:56, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. However, a few caveats. Please do try to stop specifying who is being directly attacked when there is only one opponent. And if a number is mentioned and it is not a stat, please spell it out. Can you agree to those? And I would be happy to put the ZEXAL articles back in order once we've decided. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:14, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

I can agree with thatCardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:49, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Cheesedude?action=edit&section=37#

Ok, great. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:52, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

One more thing I failed to mention. Do you have any issue with only mentioning the stat that is changed? In other words, if ATK increases, there is no need to mention the DEF again. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:57, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

I do have an issue with that and I do stats slightly different. If just ATK or just DEF that increases, I mention the other regardless. That thing you are mentioning was an old style that I no longer use. If it's just Level, there is nothing else mentioned in the stat change.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:33, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

But why? Aside from "that's how I want to do it", what purpose does listing DEF every single time ATK is changed serve? It just bloats the article. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:57, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

It was mostly to remove confusion between which stat was which and the change made the mess on the 5D's Duel summaries less messier (for at least most of season 1 that is).Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:20, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand how it could be confusing. When is there an ATK or DEF change that does not mention which stat is being changed in the same sentence? Can you link me to an example in the edit history of one of those pages, maybe? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:25, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

In the 5D's Duel summaries from episode 1-51, the ATK and DEF are changed, but the parenthesis and the showing of the stats being changed within were not used. This was one example of this prior to me going around and editing Duel Summary pages. This was from August 12, 2012 [[1]] I am not sure if I can change your mind about this, but it seems that you are very interested in making everything as small as possible for articlesCardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:33, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

I see. Well, you did a good job fixing them, but I find listing both stat unneeded. The one that was changed most certainly does need to be listed there, so thank you for fixing that.

Not so much small as "with as few redundancies as possible". My reasoning on this is the same as the "don't specify who is being attacked directly when there is only one opponent" thing. It just clogs the article.

Also, keep in mind that there is no deadline here. If I get you to agree to this, I do not expect you to go around and apply it to every episode summary instantly. I intend to (slowly) get through everything myself. Though I would welcome your help.Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:41, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

I assumed it wasn't a redundancy prior to all this (There were no recent issues at that point). Understandably, this could be because since the third season of DM, the anime usually just shows which stats are changed (it mostly applied to the monster's battle position as demonstrated). Still I am trying hard to make the Duel summaries comply with most of requests to me as much as I can (It prominently started off at the start of Battle City where direct attacks were allowed), but I won't change my mind on that redundancy we have been negotiating about.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:55, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, I guess that's a good a point, with the anime showing both stats. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:59, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Yuya

We have never done this before, and i don't like it. I know I'm not the one who say it stays or not, but the fact is why should we do it just this once for just one character? I'm sorry, but i will keep reverting back every time you or anyone else adds it. I just think that we shouldn't start making up things as we go...--Omojuze (talk • contribs) 16:28, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Why is it a bad thing? Say what you want, but since we have never done that before, I'm going to keep it that way for as long as I can.. Sorry if you have a problem with that but I don't think this is a thing that needs change.--Omojuze (talk • contribs) 16:34, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not saying that its a bad thing. I just don't like it 'cause we've never done that before and i don't think we should do that. I think its a big bother having a lot of references in the decklist and just putting unnecessary ones just for a few weeks is really not THAT important. Also, most people know where the info comes from. I just think that change in referencing rules is not important and should be kept as it is. Also, can you really promise that you're going to do that with all the characters from now on? How 'bout with Gongenzaka's Susano-O? There's no reference there.. Just because its the main character, you guys decided to add it. If we do to one, we have to do to all. It's just bothersome and really NOT THAT IMPORTANT.--Omojuze (talk • contribs) 16:45, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Stardust

Yo, dunno if you checked the news on NAC, but Yusei's got a Stardust upgrade this month in the manga. Its name translates to Holy Spark Dragon God - Stardust Sifr (or something like that, I don't have the remotest idea of what "shifuru" refers to). Should I create the article with that name, or go with a Org-ish name, like Stardust Divine Spark Dragon or something? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:16, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'd go with the second option, but with "Sifr" incorporated into it somehow. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:11, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Would you like to discuss an Orgname with the rest of the Org, or I choose something I think fits? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:20, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Chose what you like for now. Page moving is working fine, so I'm not too worried about it. We'll discuss it eventually, other things on the table right now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:47, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Roger. Guess I'll go with Divine Spark Dragon Stardust Sifr for now, since keeping Stardust Sifr in the beginning doesn't sound good IMO. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:36, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

RE:D Team

Nope, I think NAC is the only place where you'll find full D Team scans. Or tieba baidu, but you'd spend some time searching for it. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:37, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Sub-series

Yo, I'd like to know what you think about this, since it includes several cases. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:11, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Glitch

For some reason when I try to add refs and then preview, it keeps saying refs found but not closing tag, despite the fact I type the ref correctly just like the others on the page. Maybe it's a glitch with my device, bummer if it is, because I really hate adding bio stuff without refs. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 16:00, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Are you by chance doing section editing? Because that will happen on section editing, since the references section won't be visible in the preview. If not, I have no idea. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:06, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Doubt

Yo, regarding this edit. Just a doubt about English, what's the difference between a fiancee and a wife? :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:18, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

A fiancee would mean she is engaged to him. A wife would mean they're married. 20:26, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see, thanks. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:42, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

By the way, we seem to have reached an agreement about deleting sub-series articles in Talk:El Shaddoll. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:44, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

Miami

Yo, after actually reading the name of Miami City, I do think it should be "Maiami" instead. It's not Katakana like in foreign words, it's actual Japanese. Do you have a bot or something to rename all "Miami City"s? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:00, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and there's this too. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:03, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Lores from English VG's?

Are the lore's from current OCG-only cards, such as the unreleased content of DP Yuma 2/Kastle Twins, taken from the english Zexal VG considered to be official, or would it have to come from the physical release of the card in english territories? PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 19:39, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, they would be considered official. That does not necessarily mean they will be the same as the final TCG texts, but they are official. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:53, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Ok then. Towmorrow I'll go through the unreleased OCG stuff from the Zexal VG and make sure every thing matches up. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 20:56, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Card effect

I forgot to ask before, but is it a legit mistake if you have a character in the original version properly explain the effect, but in the dub scene the character explains their activated card wrong or doesn't even explain why they're drawing another card or said effect happened despite the original version of the doing it right? I get the original can screw up on that too, but I mean if the dub screws up like that in the scene when the original did it right. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 04:04, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Ideally, that should just be in the summary in parenthesis if there is one. If there isn't, then it can go in errors until a summary is written. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:20, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Sketch

Yo, quick thing, would you mind proofreading the Sketch article? It felt kinda awkward for me to explain about their appearance and etymology, so I'm not sure I wrote everything right. :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:34, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Fixed up the wording. Some very good info there, though. Interesting. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:05, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

*blushes* XD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:36, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Renaming or Combing the Tag Duel Rules Pages

Hi, I noticed that there are two sets of rules for Tag Duels. One named, Tag Duel rules and the other, Team Dueling Rules. The first page is for the OCG (learned that after a while of researching) and the latter is for the TCG. Is it possible to either change the name of the two pages to OCG Tag Duel rules and TCG Tag Duel rules or combine both pages into one with a separate section for both the TCG and OCG? It got really confusing to figure out which rule belonged to which CG when the player doesn't know that the TCG and OCG are different things. It didn't help that neither pages stated which CG its rules applied to until yesterday. ShikiKira (talk • contribs) 02:21, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Wow. I wasn't aware we actually had separate pages for them. Yeah, I think a merger is probably in order. I'll talk to some of the other admins and hopefully try to merge them tomorrow. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:05, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. The rules for both CGs are mostly the same with the exception of each duelists' field zones, and the TCG's rules had a better explanation of how card effects would be applied. ShikiKira (talk • contribs) 03:26, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Merged them together. The formatting could still use some work though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:22, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. I deleted the extra copy of the OCG that was on the page. By the way, could we change the pages name Tag-Team Dueling Rules to reflect the Tag-Team Duel page? ShikiKira (talk • contribs) 06:28, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. Copy-paste fail, I guess. Anyway, I think the better question is actually "why is the other page hyphenated anyway". I've never seen Tag Team hyphenated when used in any other context. So I'm going to look into why and maybe move that instead. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:12, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

I think it was named that way because some websites and pages refer to Tag Duels as Team Duels. The page name was probably hyphenated to show that the two duels are the same thing, but that's just my speculation. ShikiKira (talk • contribs) 21:17, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

TF Special

Hey Cheese, do you know if Tag Force Special is branded as an ARC V game at all? I've seen Arc V on some logos, then some without, so not entirely sure. Thanks! TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 16:57, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

One of them does say "Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc-V Tag Force Special", but another one does not. So I would leave it at the current name for now, especially since we're apparently getting a game that has characters from all five anime series OMG THIS IS AWESOME. a-hem. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:03, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that's cool then. Best to wait for the game box art to clarify it. And yes xD I'm pretty excited for this! TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 17:06, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

The Main Image on Episode 28

Hi. I wanted to propose the changing of episode 28's main image to something more appropriate for the episode in question. Though I don't have any images myself to offer, if it could be changed to one that focuses on the Duel participants of that episode (most any one appropriate image should be fine for that) and not Sora and Shun, who quite frankly have no business being shown so prominently in the header-image for that episode, I feel it would benefit that particular page overall.

Thanks for hearing me out. J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 12:29, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I absolutely agree. I can attempt to pick out a new picture when I get to watching the episode later. There are a number of pages where the infobox image is sort of random. When picking them myself, I usually try to pick something that evokes the Japanese episode title. If I can't do that, I generally go with "Player A stares down Player B's ace monster". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:48, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like its since been changed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:51, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

I feel an image that represents the "main idea", if you will, of the episode with its context taken into account is a good idea to strive for in general (I wonder if the Japanese titles can be as misleading as they can in the Pokemon Anime). The current image is perfect, in my opinion. Definitely better than the other image that was there before. I wonder why it was used in the first place?J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 19:18, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Who's TwoTailedFox, why did "he" leave a notification 8 years ago, and why won't it go away?

One more thing. I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. I have an apparent 8 year old message from "TwoTailedFox" for sometime now. It says it came from the B-Damon Wiki. Clicking on it leads me here and the notification never seems to go away.

What can tell me about this? Thanks in advance. J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 12:37, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

TwoTailedFox is the YGO wiki's founder. I don't know if he ever he had anything to do with the B-Damon wiki. In any case, if the notification does not go away, try using Special:Contact to contact Wikia staff about it. Hopefully they can fix it. It seems to just be a glitch. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:48, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Since it has been there for a while now (almost, if not over a year), I guess that's what I'll need to do. Thanks.J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 19:20, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Nothing to do with me. The notification system has been known for throwing odd bugs like this. S:C is the way to go.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 01:00, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Yuzu's Deck

Hey Cheese, I was looking at Yuzu's Deck and thought it looks extremely messy with all of those notes floating about from when she dropped her Deck in episode 24. Do you think a reference on the end of a sentence saying something like "She is also shown to utilize a large amount of Fairy and LIGHT support cards, shown from when she dropped her Deck" would suffice enough to remove them? It just looks extremely clunky as is. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 19:54, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe. I think we should wait until the next episode or two air, though. They may end up solving some of the problems. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:35, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

User:Cheesedude/Sandbox/2. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:33, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

I would say keep those cards in her Decklist and use references just stating in general what was shown as they are technically part of her Deck. It just looks really clunky with all of the text and notes. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 00:50, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Uh, there's now way we're removing them altogether, even with references. I thought the text would be a better option than all the notes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:58, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Ah right, I was basing on the Decklist in your sandbox as the shown cards weren't listed in her Decklist. How about: She is also shown to utilize a large amount of Fairy and LIGHT support cards, shown when she dropped her Deck<ref>, as well as multiples of her "Melodious" monsters<ref>. With the references being to the episodes where her Deck was shown.

How about that? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 03:39, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

I think I misunderstood you, then. We can remove them from the Decklist, as the sandbox shows. However, if its removed from the Decklist, the cards still need to be mentioned in the Deck section somewhere, hence the prose. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:39, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

What I mean was, although we do mention that she was shown with those cards, they are part of her Deck, so should really be listed in the actual Deck, rather than the section. Plus, it looks rather clunky. Give me a couple of minutes to make up what I mean in my sandbox and i'll post a link. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 15:00, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Here you go: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:TheScarecrow14/Sandbox TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 15:05, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Yeah, I have no problem with that. That should work fine, I think. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:47, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Harpie Support Cards

Hi again. I just wanted to ask about two of the Harpie support cards. I'm actually just confused on why Rose Whip and Harpie's Feather Duster are no longer included in the Harpies archetype's list of support cards and why they were taken off of the Harpies template. I know both cards used to be on both the template and the card listings two to three years ago. Kind of weird that they're no longer included. Is there any reason for the exclusion? ShikiKira (talk • contribs) 08:26, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

"Rose Whip" is support for "Harpie Lady", not for "Harpie" monsters, while "Harpie's Feather Duster" is a "Harpie" card but does not support any "Harpie" monsters at all. So "Rose Whip" should be listed under the related category, while "Feather Duster" is actually a member. If they are not currently displaying there, try clearing your cache. If that doesn't work, its likely an SMW (the program that displays those lists) glitch, which can't really be fixed except with thime. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:38, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Des-Toy

Why keep the Japanese name as "Des-Toy"? "Des" is "Death", which is usually adapted to "Des" in the TCG. The correct translation of the Japanese name is "death". We don't even know if a pun with "destroy" was intended, but even if it was, we do explain the pun in the etymology, I don't see reason to keep a wrong translation just to try to make it closer to the pun. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:41, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'd argue that keeping it as "Des" isn't incorrect, but its not a big issue. Feel free to revert, I'm not too concerned about it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:44, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I just noticed now that you did provide an argument in your edit, my bad for not checking it previously. But I'd say "no", because like I said, even if a pun was intended, we can just explain it in the etymology instead of keeping a misleading translation. The example you gave, Des Troy, has the kanji of "Death Troy" in its name, so the primary meaning is "death", with the pun being secondary. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:48, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Jack's Decks

Hey Cheese, I sorted out all of the Decks on Jack's Deck page. Could you delete it? Thanks. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 23:08, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Done. Also, I'm going to see what we can do with Yuzu's Deck now, considering the episode didn't too much to solve the problem, though it was awesome. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:24, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and how about putting that multiple Melodious monsters, LIGHT and Fairy support was shown when looking through her Deck/when she dropped it, with references to those episodes? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 00:01, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I responded to the wrong section. Look back up above at the original topic for the link. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:37, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Error monster

Not sure about how to handle this. You think the way I left it is okay? To be honest I wasn't even sure about making an article for it or not, I dunno. Manga cards can be crazy. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:35, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

I was hoping you would know, actually. My reaction to seeing it yesterday was "oh, its a token...no its not...its a...huh?" That being said, I think it does need an article in some form. Looks fine the way it is. Alternately, we could present it as an article similar to Ghost of Dark Sanctuary, maybe. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:16, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not sure there. Considering non-gaming flavor effects, "E'Rah Monsters" are the shadows of the "light" monsters. They are not a thing themselves, like the Ghost of Dark Sanctuary. IMO they are closer to Dragonecro's Dark Souls, which became a token when Dragonecro was released. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:08, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Goodwin's monster

So, in 5000-year-old flashbacks, Goodwin used this guy for a One-Shot Run. Should I list it in his "Celestial" Deck and note it was only used for a One-Shot Run, or should I list it separately? I'm not sure how to handle it. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:33, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

I guess just list it in the regular deck. I don't see why it wouldn't be apart of it, anyway. But yeah, note that it was only used in the Run. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Yugioh Manga

Do you know where I could read some of the manga from either 5D's or Zexal? Sorry to ask. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 01:56, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

In English, I believe Shonen Jump Alpha prints them and that digital copies are available. In Japanese, try Neo Ark Cradle. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:17, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Would it be too much to ask to leave a link? --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 02:26, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Edit: I meant for either of those sites where the manga might be. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 02:33, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

You need an account for NAC. Once you have one, just look around. Don't want to direct link. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:04, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Entermate

I've been dying to replace the current pic for Performapals with this one, since it features their user and a great amount of their members, but I've been hesitating 'cause of the Gazers being there too. What do you think? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:32, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be fine. Caption could be something like "Yuya Sakaki with various Performapal monsters, "Stargazer Magician", "Timegazer Magtician" and "Hippo Tokens". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:29, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Awright. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:39, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Forum request

I've left a forum that involves inputting personality section for other major characters (I only listed three because I was trying to remember which major character pages need personality sections.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:59, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

I've never really concerned myself much with those sections. Not sure how much I can help, but I can look at the relevant sections tomorrow, hopefully. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:29, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

ZEXAL 131

In the original version of that episode, Vector outright said he killed Nash and Marin. In the dub, he "erased them from existence". Do you think both things mean the same thing? Just wanted to make sure. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 17:30, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I think so. May be worth noting the wording change. Very similar to the "sent to the stars" thing in GX. Which I've always insisted is simply a change from an outright death to a heavily implied one. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:48, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Image Misidentified

Hello. I'm sorry if you're not the person to talk to about this, but I'm unfamiliar with who staff members are on this wiki. The file "File:CosmicBlazarDragon-JP-Anime-5D-NC.png" seems to have been misidentified as an image of Yusei holding out the card in question. The card is Shooting Star Dragon - it is in an identical pose with red coloring in the corner, and in the episode, where the full image is shown, Yusei is riding alongside Shooting Star.

So, the image either needs to be renamed and moved, or deleted. Drake Clawfang (talk • contribs) 03:05, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

The image is indeed of "Shooting Star Dragon". However, what is also in the image is a shot of the only time the name of "Cosmic Blazar Dragon" was ever displayed. So its actually an appropriate image for "Blazar".

The "NC" in the file name indicates that it is a non-card image. And it is. Its also a card image of "Shooting Star Dragon" though. I understand where the confusion comes from. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:31, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. Drake Clawfang (talk • contribs) 21:18, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Dub Request

Don't you need to put the dub changes on Zexal 133? No offence... Scarboot198 (talk • contribs) 14:57, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

I don't actually watch the dub, beyond skimming through for card names. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:44, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Manga cards

Should I start creating the article for manga cards using this template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

If you'd like, sure. Deltaneos has gotten through most of the original stuff, I think, and I'm working on GX for now.

As you've seen, we've been doing separate articles for every card that appears in the manga, even when it has the same effect as the real world one. Template:CardTable2 will hopefully be retired eventually (you've seen the SMW issues) and part of doing that is splitting off anime, manga and video game articles.

In cases where a card's effect changes in the manga, we've made two articles - such as Foolish Burial (manga) and Foolish Burial (GX manga). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:19, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

I see. I'll start using it then to save you guys' time. How about links? Like, in the chapters' articles and in the characters' decklists. Should we also replace everything? For example, "Foolish Burial (manga)|Foolish Burial" instead of just "Foolish Burial"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Eventually. I believe the plan is to get all them manga articles done, then do a bot run and/or update them all at once. So I wouldn't bother with the links yet.

If you could start with 5D's, that would be great. When I finish GX, I'll likely move to ZEXAL. Not sure what Delt himself is doing either. And yeah, if you could start new articles for future manga chapters using the template, it would be great. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Delt's going for DM, it seems. And God saves the bot. xD Sure, I'll start with 5D's then, kinda slowly though (and even a bit slower since it'll take me a while to get used to that template xD). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:45, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure if he's finished or not. It will take a while to get used to it, yes. Once I got through five or so chapters worth of cards, I had enough of a grasp to go faster. I still randomly forget parameters, though. XD. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:47, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

BTW, last question. When we split articles (like Junk Blader), do we remove the manga lore and manga ppearances from the OCG/TCG article? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:54, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Leave them for now. I'm not actually sure we've decided yet. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:55, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Remember the "last question" thing? I lied. Junk Blader has an English card image as well. How do I add it? en_image doesn't seem to work. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:59, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

If there's an English image, use "image" and put the Japanese image at "image_ja". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:02, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

I mean "ja_image". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:04, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, one more. xD Arms Regeneration has different names in R and 5D's. What to do. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:05, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Um. I dunno. I'll add that to my list of issues to ask Delt. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:09, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

I swear, each card I try to convert to manga template gives me a new issue. xD So, Pride of the Warrior has card names in 3 other languages as well, but they don't seem to appear in the manga template. Should I just remove them? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:12, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Use {{Unofficial names}} (not {{Unofficial name}}) and add it after {{Manga card}} Example (hit edit) at Turboroid. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:14, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Do you have to ask Delt about cards-with-different-names-in-manga-and-TCG? :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Nah. If there is an English manga name, use it, even if it sucks. So, "Jeweled whatever the hell they used for RDA (manga)". Add "main = Hot Red Dragon Archfiend" to the manga article to make the gallery and other links still work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Yessir. BTW, I'm loving the "viz_lore" thing. I can finally add proper English lores without having to stick to Viz's blatant errors. *hallelujah plays in the background* LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:32, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's one of my favorite parts, too. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and try to use put a space between "|" and the parameter name if you remember (think Dino's gonna bot the ones we miss though). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:36, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Guess you didn't notice, but if there's a real card article, you don't have to add the Japanese name stuff to the manga article unless its different like Heartlandraco or Ultimaya whatever it was. The template pulls it from the main article automatically. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:43, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see. BTW, adding the "main" template in Quick Spanite (manga) doesn't seem to work for gallery and stuff, it keeps both "main card articles". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:53, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Think I got it. It has to be the exact article name or it doesn't work. Also, "romaji_name" and "trans_name", now. I kept getting those wrong at first too. Like I said, it takes some getting used to. I asked nearly all the questions you've asked me to Delt, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:01, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I tried "{{Main}}" instead of "|main", that's why it didn't work. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:10, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

If either of you want to upload images of just the card's artwork and add it through | image_ca = , it will be useful for creating lists of the cards. e.g. Maximillion J. Pegasus (manga)#Deck. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:04, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but are lists like that really needed? I think the usual decklist, listing the cards by name, is great already, and it looks more organized. Just a thought though, if we'll keep those lists I'll try to add some artwork pics when I have time. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I plan to go through my scans and upload artworks...eventually. I do like the new decklist, though. Its neat to be able to see all the artworks there. I wasn't fond of it at first myself, but I think it actually looks more organized this way. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:37, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

So, did you reach any conclusions about what to do with Arms Regeneration, who has different names in R and 5D's? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:31, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, another issue. Rose Blizzard and Rose Blizzard (manga) are different cards, but the manga article treats the anime article as the main article. No idea what to do in that case. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:21, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Also, Checkered Flag of Glory. No idea how to add the "non-game card" category, nor the "entry for the D1GP" description. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:35, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

No idea on either. Sort of fixed the "Rose Blizzard" thing, but the now the article backlinks to itself. We could move "Rose Blizzard" to "Rose Blizzard (anime)" (and we eventually will when the anime template is complete), that would fix it. Don't know if we want to do that prematurely, though. I'll ask Delt. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:14, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

The correct fix for "Rose Blizzard (manga)" and similar cases is to set main = none; this prevents the "Main: foobar" line from being shown above the card table and ensures the other card information links below the table link to the correct pages.

I don't think it'll be necessary to rename the anime article; it looks like the primary topic here and what people will most likely be looking for when they look for a card named "Rose Blizzard". 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:16, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Angels

About Rose Bell of Revelation. First, the Japanese lore does read only part of the monsters' names, but it isn't worded as if they were archetypes; the card makes it clear you can add either "the gallant angel" (Queen Angel of Roses) or "the demon angel" (Fallen Angel of Roses), either of those monsters, to your hand. Manga is manga, they call cards by nicknames, that doesn't mean it's an archetype. I think the articles Queen Angel and Fallen Angel can be deleted. Second, for Rose Bell's non-Viz lore, should I use the Japanese or English names? (like, "Gallant Angel" or "Queen Angel"?) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:15, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted, sorry, forgot to respond after. Uh, for the lore, I'd go with "Queen", since the card has a TCG release. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:11, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Manga again

Machina Soldier, Machina Defender and Machina Sniper are called like that in 5D's, but are called "Machine" instead in R. Separate articles or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:36, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Separate, but not because of the names. IIRC, they were vanillas in R and Effect Monsters in 5D's. I would suggest using the "Machine" names for the R versions and having the 5D's versions with 5D's manga in parenthesis. The actual "Machina X (manga)" pages can be disambiguation, linking to both. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:34, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, they are vanillas in both. In 5D's, their only use was to be discarded to summon Machina Cannon, and there was no lore in the cards. Do I still create separate articles? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:42, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Well, damn. Just do single articles, use "Machina" since its the more recent name. I'll poke Delt about an alt name parameter. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:54, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

In that case, should I also make Arms Regeneration keep the 5D's name, and add the R name later when the alt name parameter is ready? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:55, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that should work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:57, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I created the articles for the Machinas with the R pics because the 5D's pics didn't show the full card, is that ok? Or should I have used the 5D's ones anyway, since they are the latest ones (and have the correct names)? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:18, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

I think what you did is fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:22, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

"alt_names" has been added. Also, "ja_alt_names", but I don't know if we'll need to use that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:40, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, great. About the "ja_alt_names" thing, just form the top of my mind I have two examples already, Queen Angel of Roses and Ultimaya Tzolk'in, so yes, we'll need to use that. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:41, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

How do you add the "archrelated" thing in the manga template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:52, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

"related_to_archseries". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:54, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

D Team

How are we gonna handle D Team ZEXAL with the manga template thing, since that manga uses OCG cards instead of manga cards? We won't put them in manga templates, right? There's, for example Call of the Haunted (5D's manga), which was used in the 5D's manga and also in D Team. Should we list the D Team appearance in the manga template too or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:02, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

No, don't list D Team appearances in the manga card pages. I'm unsure what the plan is for them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:28, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Manga

Should we create manga articles for already existing monsters that just make a cameo in the manga, like Alien Overlord and Montage Dragon? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:12, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:35, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

They didn't show any lore, effects or anything in the manga though. Should I add the TCG/OCG lore, or just leave the lore blank? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:32, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Another thing, could you please delete Ultimate God (archetype)? After getting the actual lores of the cards, it's the nickname case, not archetype. :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:32, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

I would leave the effects out. I think the stats would be acceptable (or at least that's what I did at Cyber End Dragon (manga)).

Deleted. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:49, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Apparently the manga template doesn't allow more than 2 Types, like in Synchro Tuner monsters (check Celestial Double Star Shaman). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:37, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'll ask Delt. I'm looking at the template and it looks like its coded to allow up to 3, so I'm not sure what's going on. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:48, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Appearances

So, in the last ZEXAL chapter, Number 37: Hope Woven Dragon Spider Shark and Shifting Land both have their effects activated, but the card was not shown, it was just verbally explained. Does that count as an appearance? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:41, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

If the effects themselves were visualized, I'd say yes. If it was just an explanation with no accompanying visuals, I'd say no. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:21, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

In Spider Shark's case, he just brought Yuma's and Kaito's monsters back to the field. In Shifting Land's case, it just made E'Rah's LP change. In neither case the card or some form of Solid Vision of said card was shown. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:00, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

ZEXAL episode 137

Well, that episode finally aired in English. I had to rework the summary of the original version a bit to make it match up in sequence. Apparently in the dub, Vector's dad still died from his illness, but what do you think really happened to Vector's mom? The part where she got slashed got cut in the dub. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 03:46, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

I watched it myself just to see how they handled dub-Vector in general (pretty good except for what we're talking about now). Its really vague. They don't mention his mother after that, she collaspes for no actual reason and then Don Thousand appears. So I would just...say that in the article, I guess, XD. "You are not fit to carry my sword" was a good line and the exile thing ALMOST seemed credible. Then his mother falls over and yells for no reason at all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:58, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to believe that the sword-slashing happened off-screen. Either that, or she died or fainted of grief. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 04:39, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough then. Fainting seems likely enough of an explanation. I'd assume that if she survived, Vector exiled her. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:44, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Still, I think they handled dub Vector pretty well, like how he occasionally shifts to his Ray voice to mock his opponents, but it's not too frequent in the dub. Most of the manic expressions were there, too, but the more gruesome ones were removed, like the part where Vector revealed himself as Ray. But I can't help but wonder why this one was kept. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 04:54, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, they did a good job, overall. He was still very entertaining. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:57, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Spammer

Could you also please delete the following pages that Manhhungtt3 left behind? -- The Talk Goblin 16:57, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

• Manhhung1
• Manhhung2
• Mieru qq

Knew I would miss a few. Done. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:59, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Help I'm dying

Seriously. I've just added the JP images for the Anti cards. Viz's swapped the names of ALL FOUR of them in English. You can compare the pictures in the cards' articles. What do we do? Do we keep them with the right names and wrong artworks, or rename everything to make them have the right artwork and wrong name? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:14, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

I would keep the names as-is but remove the English images from each page for now. Pretend that VIZ did not print this chapter at all and organize it based only on the Japanese information. Then we can go back and figure out what to do with the English images. Also, I'll direct Delt here again. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:37, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Done. I've also replced the archetype picture in the archetype page. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:09, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

So, there actually is precedent for this. The same thing was done with "Giant Flea" and "Big Ant". Also see the note at Harpy Lady 2. We can use that for these to explain the error. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:17, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, that note thing looks awesome. So we add the pictures based on the artworks and explain that the names were swapped with a note like that one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:47, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that should work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:47, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Done, dunno if you'd like to check them to see if everything's alright. By the way, two cards were also shown with the same artwork (Anti the Ray's), so there is no English image of a card with Anti the Abyss's artwork. Do we leave it without an English image? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:39, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Why not move Qliphort Assembler?

Usually translations between two TCG languages are closer than between a TCG language and an OCG language, making the TCG language more likely. We have a confirmed Japanese name and a confirmed Spanish name, any specific reason why the Japanese name should be preferred until an English name is known (is it just because the Japanese name came first)? I believe all "Qli" monsters have English names closer to their Spanish names than their Japanese names. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 01:29, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Because we should be getting the confirmed English name soon enough, so why bother moving it twice if the name is wrong? Why move it now when its not confirmed? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:31, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Got it; thanks for the explanation. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 07:07, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Manga again

How do I add the "antisupport" thing in the manga template? Also, should I keep using the "Unofficial lore" template for cards with unofficial lore? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:13, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

"|anti-supports = "

Yes, keep the lore template. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:10, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

'Kay, so I just finished the 5D's manga. Assuming you're doing ZEXAL next, the only remaining manga is R, right? If that's the case, I wouldn't mind doing it next, since Viz invented lores for most cards in R and I'd be able to add proper translations besides the Viz lore. Only, do you know if perhaps there's someone who could add English images? If there isn't, I can do that myself, it's just that doing both works sure takes double the time. Oh, and if you'd like me to review the GX cards for Viz-invented-lores cases, I can do that, it's pretty quick work. I can also upload English images if really needed, but I have only volumes 7, 8 and 9. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:28, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Cool. I intended to move on to ZEXAL, but ended up doing this instead (a. My laptop is broken right now, so I've stopped uploading card art since that's where I have all of it stored. Once I get it back, I'll finish the GX card art stuff (and do another run-through searching for more unnamed cards). Was indeed planning on moving onto to the ZEXAL manga now. I believe a few users have started adding the template to some R pages, but I've no idea if its done or how many pages, so if you'd like to that, that would be great.

Yes, please review the GX cards. I added the "viz_lore" thing to stuff I was sure of, but there's a few others (can't remember off the top of my head) that I wasn't sure about.

I actually have Volume 1 of GX in English. I can upload the stuff from there, but I don't have a source for them otherwise (though to be fair I haven't looked much, I can do that...but upload once again have to wait until my laptop is back). Maybe ask Spectertvx? Not sure what he has has, I know he often adds the VIZ lores, but I don't know that he has the GX stuff. Sanokol-KT has some English stuff too, but once again don't know how much. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:18, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

If there are people slowly adding R cards to the manga template, guess I'll review the GX cards first, while they add more R cards to the template.

Welp, suming up, we have volumes 1, 7, 8 and 9. Five remaining. xD I'll try asking those two, yep.

Oh, and BTW, I didn't add any artworks for 5D's 'cause I was adding the English images as well, so that'd be too much work. The artworks can be done by anyone, since we have all the pics already, so I guess I should focus first on the English images, which are tougher to obtain. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:36, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

That would be fine, and I'm perfectly willing to do the card arts eventually anyway if no one else gets to it.. I really should give the 5D's manga a proper read-through anyway. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:37, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

On the note of the GX manga, can you check the English versions of those volumes and find out whether "HERO" or "Hero" was used for the Masked Heroes, Vision Heroes, Escuridao and Shadow Mist? I believe they flip-flopped partway through, so we'd like to know which used HERO and which used Hero. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:37, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

In volume 7, "Hero" was used for all HEROes. In volumes 8 and 9 *pause for a sigh*, they swap between "Hero" and "HERO" in the same duels. I'd say they were trying to start using "HERO" but still let a few "Hero"s out of distraction, since the majority is "HERO". Anyway, I'd suggest you to stick with either "Hero" or "HERO", to keep at least the Wikia consistent. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:14, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

BTW, I'll start reviewing the GX lores, did you keep the "unofficial lore" template in the ones with unofficial lore? Just so that I can identify which ones are Viz lores and which ones are NAC/Wikia lores. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:16, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Fun, thanks.

Well, I didn't remove any intentionally, but I can't say may not have. In any case, just look for miscapilizited stuff and nonsensical terms to find the viz ones, lol. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:42, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Why are there separate articles for Blackland Fire Dragon, if it's exactly the same in both mangas? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:38, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Its not. The Level is different. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:34, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hm. For some reason, Shuttleroid (manga)'s lore doesn't mention the 1000 damage. It only reads the self-banishing part. Should we add the 1000 damage part as well and put "Reconstructed lore", or just leave it out? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:57, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Leave it out, we can note the inconsistency on the chapter page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:53, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yokai

I know this have been discussed in the past, but it seems nothing was decided. I really think we should decide for once if we treat "Yokai" as a Type or sub-Type in this Wikia, 'cause it's obviously either of those, and not just a "misc" category. And if I may, I'll already make my opinion clear: I strongly believe they are a manga-only Type not adopted in the OCG/TCG. Since nothing is carved in stone about whether "Yokai" is a Type or sub-Type, we could simply choose which we'll use and then add a note explaining that it isn't completely clear what they are, but we're treating it as (?) for this site. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:54, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

So, I made a quick check on the "Yokai" support cards' lores, and I noticed Haunted Shrine, Vindictive Spirits and Mezuki (manga) clearly call Yokai a Type (Yokai-zoku) like Dragon, Spellcaster, etc. You know how manga cards work, they don't always say the whole thing. But calling them "Yokai-Type" once already makes it clearly a Type in my opinion. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:03, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm convinced by LegendaryAsariUgetsu's argument. Manga lores are known for not being syntactically correct. It's not uncommon for someone to say something like "Dragon monster", when being brief or careless, while still referring to the Type. Putting quotation marks around something that isn't a card name or archetype name/portion of card name, isn't too unlikely either. However it's very rare to suffix something with "-Type", without actually meaning Type and I'm guessing it's the same for 族 (Zoku).

If it does later turn out the instances where it's called a Type are a mistake or deliberate confusion, I don't think we're doing an injustice by taking it at face value. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:18, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

There's also the events involving "Phantasmagoria" which specifically changed Jesse's monsters from Insects to Yokai. Jesse had to change them back to use his "Rose Papillion". Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 22:44, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Great, so it seems we have concrete enough arguments to consider "Yokai" a Type. While we're at the subject... I'm positive all of Misawa's monsters from VS Manjome on are Yokais, but it seems he was using a different deck in his first duel VS Judai. Fox Fire and Rigorous Reaver are clearly not yokais, and his strategy was completely geared towards Goka, the Pyre of Malice, which we have no idea whether it's a Yokai or what. Should we make separate decklists for him or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:14, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Fine on the classification issue. I don't think its worth listing a separate deck though, even though those monsters indeed were not Yokai. I think we should just assume Goka isn't a Yokai and be done with it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:25, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

Cool. Then, I revamped the Yokai article considering it a Type, feel free to double check it. I'll also start adding "Yokai" as the monster's Type for the manga cards' articles. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:32, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

Uh, should we not still mention the way the manga card lores were written? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:48, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

Like I said previously, manga always does this. It did it with all archetypes and all Types, not just Yokai. For instance, I've /just/ checked the lore of several Dragon-Type support cards used by Manjome that only say "one Dragon monster" and that sorta stuff. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:32, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

"Manga always does this" is exactly my point. Should we not note somewhere on the wiki that manga shorthand is a thing? Maybe just the manga series pages (Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (manga), etc.?) Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:36, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

The thing is, this is not just a Type/archetype thing, manga lores don't follow OCG lore structure at all, and often are even written with non-game terms, as if the game was a kind of RPG (one example I can think of from the top of my mind is Asuka's Spell that says "two pillars of ice appear on the field", not to mention the original DM lores, which you should be aware of what sorta thing they say). If you think we should note this in the manga articles, then we should note that it's the whole thing, not just a case of using shorthands. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:44, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

I'm saying a short blurb somewhere in the series articles, that we can link to should someone question the way we're writing manga lores. Certainly doesn't need to be noted on every chapter/character page or anything like that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:50, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

No objections. I'll let you do that though, 'cause I have no idea what to write (and it'd end up as a pretty clumsy paragraph anyway). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:18, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

Separate card anime/manga pages

I've been wondering about this for quite some time, but what's the point of making separate anime/manga pages for the cards? ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 18:20, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

{{CardTable2}} is becoming enough of a mess that it needs to be retired. By splitting off the articles, we're using a bunch of smaller, less messy templates that won't cause SMW to crash as often, hopefully. The first step is the anime, manga and video game stuff. Dinoguy or Deltaneos or TTF could go a bit more in-depth about this.

Additionally, we get more use out of anime and manga images this way and once we've linked everything in anime/manga articles to the new pages (which will be done via bot run eventually), we have much more justification for not going into the "NOTE: In the TCG, this card blah blah". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:45, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Pillars

Twin Pillars of Ice's lore says "two pillars of ice appear on your field". Should we keep the reconstructed lore or the actual lore? If we keep the actual one, we have to delete Ice Pillar Counter and reword the chapter's duel. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:25, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I meant to ask you about that one actually. Well, if that's what the lore really says, then yeah, we'll delete the page and reword the duel. I'll just do that now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:10, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Snake

I don't know how to handle this. The lore of Viper's Grudge says "Snake monster", but obviously, many "Snake monsters" don't have "Snake" on its name (including Black Mamba, who was summoned with Viper's Grudge's effect), and they have been shown to be Reptile-Type, so it isn't a Type either. I believe it's another RPG-ish non-game term, like to say "a monster that is a snake, physically". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:30, January 9, 2015 (UTC) Also, Ananta the Snake Dragon (manga)'s lore only says "ATK/DEF become the number of banished 'Snakes' x600", without mentioned that it is Special Summoned by banishing all "Snake" monsters on your field/Graveyard (Kohinata explains this part verbally). :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:59, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

I was under the impression that it was using "Snake monster" as a sub-type like "Spirit monster". So that would make their types "Reptile / Snake", I guess. I could be wrong.

Alright, we can remove the summoning bit then. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:42, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

I doubt that. Sub-types always have a specific feature (Geminis have Gemini Summon, Toons have all those direct-attack/toon world effects, Unions can equip and unequip themselves, etc). Plus, like I said, for me it sounds pretty much like a DM RPG-ish lore thing. For instance, I didn't know "forest" was an attribute (the Japanese lore reads "zokusei"). We can't think too hard about old manga lores, we all know the mess it was back then. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:59, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

I revamped the Snake article explaining what we were discussing, but you may wanna double check it, since we know how awkward my texts usually come out. :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:48, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Made two spelling/grammar fixes, looks good otherwise. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:59, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Random thing

So, I was always against creating articles for unnamed cameos like "Shop thief", "obese fangirl", etc, but... Dino I think, insisted that we should keep those. I personally don't care much for them, but just throwing a random idea. Check this out. Looks pretty more organized, and makes it one article instead of dozens of random articles of random characters. Besides, it'd be even easier to find info on a certain unnamed cameo in a list rather than trying to guess how we named their article. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:56, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

We've had list articles like that in the past. I can't really speak as to why we unmerged them. I'll direct Dino here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:29, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

I never had a hand in any character list articles; my involvement with character articles in general has been very light for the most part. Deltaneos is the one who's created or expanded many of the unnamed character articles, unless I'm mistaken (I know for a fact he's more-or-less responsible for most of the articles for characters from the original manga and the first NAS anime series). Personally I wouldn't mind having character lists, though it would be my opinion that they generally should augment character articles rather than replacing them. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:32, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

New template

What do you think of the new template User:RedDrgn created for ARC-V 39? I'm way too used to the old format. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 21:45, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

If you don't mind me chiming in, I think it is an excellent addition. DreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 22:15, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

Believe it or not, there is already a system in place that displays all that info (and more) easily. We just haven't implemented it yet (and it doesn't yet work with the new anime and manga subpages that we're still working on, but that can be fixed). {{Tooltip}} displays a condensed version of the card page. Hover over this: {{Tooltip|Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon}}.

That being said, that was good work on the template and I don't want to discourage him from continuing to try to improve. In this case...well, his work was superseded by something else that no one knew about. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:29, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, my apologies; the new templates seem useful. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 02:22, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what you're apologizing for, but okay. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:19, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Manga cards should probably use {{Manga card list}} instead (at least for decklists), as seen on Ishizu Ishtar (manga)#Deck. I imagine we'll have a similar template for anime cards at some point, too, though I don't know for sure what Delt's plans there might be, if anything.

I also don't know what the future of {{Tooltip}} is in regards to anime/manga cards; my immediate reaction is that they should have their own ((Anime tooltip)) and ((Manga tooltip)) variants, but those feelings could change at some point (especially once we finally replace {{CardTable2}} completely with the new card table system). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:38, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the manga decklists should use {{Manga card list}}. I'm assuming Delt is making a similiar anime one eventually, but I can't speak for him either.

TTF mentioned he was going to add the functionality, but whether that meant seperate templates or not I also don't know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:21, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

First, I appreciate the feedback that the new template has received. I am surprised to learn that there was something similar, albeit unused, already in place. But for what it's worth, one thing I notice is useful about the Monster template is that the same stats that are normally shown in episodes are immediately visible, rather than requiring a tooltip to view them. That being said, perhaps we could further improve the Monster template (and Duel summaries in general) using this other system.

Second, I have seen uses of the Monster template in places where the stats do not need to be shown. The template should only be used when a monster is on the field, namely when it is Summoned and when it is indicated to have been on the field as of an earlier point in the Duel (e.g. a previous episode). Monsters being fused from the hand, sent to the Graveyard from the hand or Deck, or any other event that does not involve the field, are not appropriate uses. RedDrgn (talk • contribs) 21:23, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

That's fair, we can hardlink them in those cases. When I was using it, I was split between "first link like this" and "only on field". Chose the former, should have went with the latter. Your edits are appreciated, but your using templates for everything is worrying. We don't want whole duel summaries with templates for everything an anything. They are fickle and when SMW goes down, they have the potential to make entire pages unviewable. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:26, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

OK, fine, we don't have to do it that way. It would probably be a bit redundant and inefficient to use {{Tooltip}} with {{Monster}} anyway. Maybe a more appropriate use for it would be with {{Decklist}}. RedDrgn (talk • contribs) 08:21, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Reusing Template:Anime card

So I don't join everyday in this wiki, since I run a wiki on my own.
I want to do me a favor, or, basically, to instruct me. Generally, to help me.
In my wiki, I make fan-made cards and, some of them, are used in several Duel Logs, which have the structure of an anime. I am amazed of the new anime template we use here for the anime-only cards and the anime versions of the cards. So, the question is: What templates are needed to copy-paste, in order to have the anime card template? Basically, if possible, how can I adjust the template (if you give the codes and the links to the templates needed for the template and I copy-paste to my wiki) in order not to have the Japanese part, as well as the Appearances line, the Links line, the place where it says Gallery Appearances Trivia Lores Artworks Names, as well as the rest below (Decks, Other Images, and the Search Categories). Just the card name, the kanji stuff, the stats, the effect and the effect types.
I tried so much trying to do this alone, but one problem solved, but 2 others emerge.
Thanks for reading this, and sorry for my "poor" English, I am Greek.
LionHeartKIng (talk • contribs) 07:04, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

The biggest thing is that you'll need to get Extension:Variables and Extension:Arrays enabled, since the new card templates make extensive use of them, to the point that it would not be worth the effort to port a version that does not need them; you can send a request via Special:Contact. Even after that, though, yes, you'll need to copy a number of helper templates and metatemplates that the card templates rely on; there's no way around this except, again, for a port to be written that does not need them, and again, it's just not worth the effort.

There may be bits that rely on Semantic MediaWiki (SMW) as well (anything that uses a #ask: or #show:); the card search categories are one of these. Staff no longer grants requests for SMW to be enabled because it's very resource-intensive, so anything that relies on it will have to be rewritten or removed. Once you've gotten through that, if you still need help making further adjustments, feel free to ask again. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:28, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Zeriel

Zeriel was shown with a lore on its first appearance, and without a lore on its second appearance. It's worth noting that reading back the duel of his first appearance, Zeriel didn't boost any ATKs by 500 as its lore reads. I can only imagine Zeriel is supposed to be a vanilla and the lore was an error. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:53, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that on my last read, but never went back to check if the ATK boosts were present. Interesting. Yeah, I suppose it was intended as a vanilla, then. Um, not really sure what to do, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:13, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Me neither, lol. Since it didn't boost ATKs in the duel, I think we should remove the "whose effect increases the ATK of all Fairy-Type monsters she controls by 500 points" part of the duel summary, and add a note on the card's article explaining the situation. Gonna be kind of a long note, though. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:15, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

no source

Yuya Yuri Yugo And Yuto Duels No Source Just Added Since its Called Battle Royal Begins (Lionel-Sama 07:44, January 22, 2015 (UTC))

A Battle Royal could involve any number of people. All of those you listed. Or some. Or none. It could even end up like a crazy free-for-all ala the duel spirit world in GX or the Diablo invasion in 5D's. There is no evidence it will be the four Yus. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:22, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Forbidden Beasts

Just to make sure. I've gotten to volume 7 of GX and am scanning the cards in English. You know Amon's cards have been called "Sealed" and "Forbidden" Beasts. I should scan them as "Forbidden" Beasts if possible, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:17, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

The English manga called them both?

If so....well we'd want both images actually. *ducks*. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:20, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Oh. Right. Hurr. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:30, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Archetypes

With the creation of separate anime articles for cards, are we going to remove the anime archetype navboxes from the OCG/TCG cards (such as the many names used for Utopia?) TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 12:56, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a work in progress. I actually removed them from Utopia and the related stuff the other day. I'd prefer to wait until all relevant anime card articles for an archetype are created before removing them from the TCG articles though. It should also work the other way around though. No TCG/OCG only archetypes in anime card pages (except for cases where it can be argued that its still a series in the anime). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:59, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Anime names should still be spelled "CXyz" and "Number C"

I posted about this on IgorThunderMaster's talk page as well. Basically, there's plenty of evidence that if we could theoretically see the card lores in the dub, then they would still be printed as "CXyz" and "Number C", rather than "Chaos Xyz" and "Chaos Number", even if they're actually spoken out loud as the latter. Their Japanese names are confirmed identical; why not the English names also? See the links to the official Yugioh.com site on the linked talk page above. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 21:51, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's probably fair. Thinking about it, the same can be said for "VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon". We don't say that the anime name is "VtoZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon" even though that's what both versions called it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:54, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Emergency Repairs

I confirmed it with Spectertvx that this card was called "Emergency Repairs" in chapter 25 and "Mechanic's Soul" in 49. Which name should we use? I only have scans of it called by the latter name, BTW. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:18, January 26, 2015 (UTC) While I'm at it, do we also want scans for the cards being called both "HERO" and "Hero"? Or one scan is enough? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:01, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

I suppose Mechanic's Soul, since its the most recent one. As far as the Hero thing goes, scans of both would be very much appreciated. No rush or anything, though. I'd imagine its a pain in the ass. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:26, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Kinda, haha. In case a same card was called both, which pic should I use in the main card article, the "HERO" one or the "Hero" one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:07, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Whichever one matches the manga article names. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:44, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Hero

Shouldn't we choose either "Hero" or "HERO" and name all manga articles with the chosen pattern? Like was done with the Forbidden Beasts (some were called only "Sealed Beasts", but all were renamed to "Forbidden"). It looks really messy having a few named "Hero" and a few named "HERO". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:12, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

I honestly thought I fixed that, lol. In this case, yeah, we should probably rename all the "HERO" ones to "Hero". I can do that tomorrow, then. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:59, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't we do the opposite? Besides matching the TCG names, "HERO" also seems to be Viz's most recent choice, considering they started using it on the latest volumes. I'll ask if someone can tell me how they were called in the one shot to make sure, since it was the last chapter to be released. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:58, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

I see it as "Hero" being used far more often, plus it matches the anime. I dunno, though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:47, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

The anime? How come? I thought there was no text in dub cards. Regarding your other point, yeah, I guess "Hero" was used more, but the fact that they started using "HERO" at a certain point makes me think they wanted to stick with "HERO" from that point on. I'm not sure when the change from "Hero" to "HERO" happened in the TCG, but isn't there a chance that change was done while GX was being published? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:00, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

I mean in terms of "the anime predates the change, so the anime articles should not be using "HERO" anymore than they should be using "banish". The change did indeed happen when the manga wasn't done in English. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:03, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Then, if the change happened while the manga was being published, shouldn't we deduce that at first they used "Hero", and once the change happened in the TCG, they started using "HERO" to match the change? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:25, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

unsnaggedtea76 in NAC confirmed that they used "HERO" in the one shot published last month. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:54, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Talk Page Policy.

Hey Cheesey, whats the policy with, more or less, inactive talk pages. This one was just randomly blanked earlier today with no explanation other than its either not on topic or not relevant anymore. I don't understand why the user who did it thinks that just because its not used anymore that its just worth removing all the content from it, and I 'd rather avoid an argument with him as he can be quite confrontational rather quickly, something I'd rather avoid. Thanks in advance. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 23:11, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Funny, I didn't realize the policy on reverting was "If PhotonLegacy95 can't be bothered to take the time to understand why something was edited, he can revert without explanation." Nor did I realize that "not on topic" and "not relevant" are synonymous with "not used anymore," hrm. Blanking misused talk pages is something that admins and users have done for a long time on this Wiki. Almost every single point on the talk page in question, if not all of them, falls into the category of "misuse" or "no longer relevant" (as in the content in dispute was resolved by manga progression, i.e. literally ALL of the Pluto talk). Also, the talk header is there for a reason, I don't understand why you think literally repeating what the talk header says is necessary when it's right there at the top of the page.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:19, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Apparently, he considers discussing his own complaint as "spamming," which he doesn't want to do on your talk page, but is happy to do on mine. This may or may not be relevant, as the issue is pretty clear, but I honestly find it disappointing that he wouldn't initially ask me for an explanation before reverting and then contacting an admin. He calls me confrontational, but his are passive-aggressive actions, and it didn't have to come to this.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 00:00, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

To my knowledge....we don't actually have a policy as far as talk page removals. In general, I'd prefer archiving to removal, though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:00, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

I've seen admins blank misused pages before, though. There also wouldn't be much point in archiving misuse, IMO. Also, out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean by 'archiving' in this case?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 12:59, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

I think what qualifies as "misuse" is ambiguous. Straight-up spam? Yeah, delete it. Someone using a talk page to ask a question about the article and the response being "use the forum". That I'd want to keep. The more places "use the forum" appear on the wiki, the better, lol.

We don't use the archive function for talk pages too much because we tend not to get that many topics. I know there are few pages that use it though...which I cannot recall off the top of my head. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:25, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Can I ask a question? Why can't "Cat Shark" be a member of the Cat archetype? (WaterRuler (talk • contribs) 20:00, February 4, 2015 (UTC))

Eye

The Eye of Truth (manga) has the same effect in DM and GX, but different lores; the DM lore is just like listed in the article, while the GX lore just says "Your opponent shows his hand". Should we create separate articles or not? If not, should we list both lores in the article? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:20, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

I think there's an altlore parameter. If not, I'll ask Delt to put one in. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:07, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I think there isn't, or it doesn't seem to work. Anyway, I've just noticed it is a Continuous Card in DM, while it's Normal in GX. Guess that requires separate articles in the end. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 11:37, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Another thing: Dynamite Dragon was called "Dynamite Dragon" in chapters 30, 32, 33 and 34, and called "Bomb Dragon" in 59. Should we stick to "Dynamite"? I only have scans of it being called "Bomb", so if we stick to "Dynamite", I should probably add a note explaining it, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 11:38, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I would stick to Dynamite and add the note, yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:25, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Another question

Why isn't "Metaphys Horus" allowed to be related to the "LV" archetype? I think it should, since it is a re-do of "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6", and all of the "Horus the Black Flame Dragon" monsters are related to the LV archetype as well.(WaterRuler (talk • contribs) 09:53, February 5, 2015 (UTC))

Dragon's Evil Eye

That card is a Spell in one chapter and a Trap in the other one. Not sure about what to do. For now, I added a note, but it seems to be messing with the links... LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:14, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

I would keep it as a Spell. I'll check the note now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:01, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

The notes actually use a separate parameter. In this case, "card_type_note". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:04, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

IgorThunderMaster has been adding "/ Effect" to manga monsters, like this. We shouldn't do that, right? Should we let him know that we don't do that on manga cards? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:16, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Didn't notice he was still doing that. It won't show up even if he does add it, since its not a function in the manga card template, but no, there's really no reason for it be added. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:19, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, sorry to bother you, but http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Are_You_Freakin%27_Kidding_Me is spamming the chat. Think you can help? Mr.Prozac (talk • contribs) 23:30, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Label

Just to make sure, about what me and Kuriboh were discussing. We /will/ label all manga cards with existing TCG/OCG counterpart with "(manga)", regardless of having a different name, right? (for example, "No. 17 Leviathan Dragon (manga)" instead of "No. 17 Leviathan Dragon") LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:16, February 11, 2015 (UTC) Another thing, is what I did with No. 22: Zombiestein's lore fine? (the note 'n stuff) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:52, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

No. It should be a case-by-case type of thing. The Numbers, for example, would follow what you just said. Something like whatever the BS name they gave manga-RDA would not. "No. 17 Leviathan Dragon" could easily be someone searching for the real card. Manga RDA wouldn't be. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:50, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

So, we only leave the label out if the manga name is really different from the TCG/OCG/anime one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:33, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Basically, yes. We'll find exceptions as we along, I'm sure. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:32, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Issue with another user

Hi admin, I'm being offended by another user, could you do something?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Infernoid?s=wldiff&diff=0&oldid=3001754

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Annoying_Orange#Quit_Being_a_Jerkwad:_Removing_My_Information_on_Infernoid_Page.2C_then_Reposting_Same_Info

Annoying Orange (talk • contribs) 01:58, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

edit: he is also commiting "vandalism" -> http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Infernoid_Onuncu?action=history

Annoying Orange (talk • contribs) 02:12, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Rename

Could you please move Spreading Spider Spawn and A Yell in the Cliff? They have redirects that need to be deleted. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:40, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Done. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:42, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Anime cards

Hey Cheese, some of the anime pages of cards are showing up in the archetype navboxes for OCG/TCG cards. Is there any way to get rid of them at all? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 12:13, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

I've not noticed this yet. Can you give me some specific examples. It might just be SMW not catching up yet and/or your cache. If not....I dunno. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:26, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Lately... Fluffal Crane, Raidraptor - Return, Rank-Up-Magic - Revolution Force are ones off of the top of my head. A few of the recently released Performapals as well. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 22:52, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no one seems to be able to figure out what's causing it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:27, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

Covington

Would you mind double checking Commander Covington (manga)'s lore? It had only the viz lore, so I added the proper translation from the Japanese one, but I think it came out pretty awkward... Perhaps you can word it better.

Another thing, what do you think about what I've done with Gearfried the Iron Knight (manga), regarding his lore? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:17, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

I actually really like how Covington's came out. As for Gearfried, I'm going to have a hard time explaining how it should look, so I'll just edit it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:19, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

On second thought, I think its fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:20, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Chasm of Spikes

I'm honestly confused with what we've done to Chasm of Spikes in this Wikia. Why are we treating it as Trap Hole? They have different artworks and different effects. I don't find it right to name this file "Trap Hole" instead of "Chasm of Spikes". Also, this card has yet a slighlt different effect in R, as well as a completely different English name, so I created a new page for it, but I'm really not sure about it. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:44, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Another thing. Not sure about what to do with Graverobber (manga), since the DM viz lore and the R viz lore differ. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:55, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't it have the same Japanese name?

I believe there's an alt_lore parameter. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:26, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

It does, but so do Rose Blizzard and Rose Blizzard (manga), Black Wing Revenge and Black Revenge, and a few other cases I don't remember from the top of my mind. Even if Trap Hole was indeed based on Chasm of Spikes, in the end they are still different cards, I don't think we should merge their pages like that, mainly with the actual "Trap Hole" existing in the manga as well.

Regarding the atl_lore, either it doesn't work or I'm not using it correctly... LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:09, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

I've asked Deltaneos to look at these, I'm not sure.

For some reason, the wiki keeps logging me out when I go to the template page, so I can't actually edit it to check right now. :_: Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:03, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Queen's Knight

Apparently she has no lore in DM, but she has the same lore as King's Knight in R (confirmed it in both her apparitions up to chapter 9). Separate articles? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:05, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Think so, yeah. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:03, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh!

So for Yu-Gi-Oh! is also to put. Stefan.perkic (talk • contribs) 03:25, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Arc-V Episode 48's Header Image

Not sure if episode talk pages are looked at too frequently, so I'd thought I would also mention it here. Like the last time, I feel that Arc-V episode 48's header image doesn't really fit, and is misleading. That image would work better for episode 49.J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 12:43, March 22, 2015 (UTC)J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 12:44, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I'll take a look later today. Have some catching up to do first; long work weekend. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:46, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, looks to have been changed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:13, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and yep, it does. This one is a better fit more so than the other one. J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 09:21, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Angry Kuriboh

Why is Angry Kuriboh not on here? It's a real card; confirmed by Jakarade. So what gives? Kuribalex (talk • contribs) 19:20, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

You're talking about a really rare card there but the card is on here. It's in the Kuriboh card gallery. --MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 19:47, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Alexis‘ monster

It looks like "Inferno Hammer" to me. -- The Talk Goblin 19:26, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Looks to be correct. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:26, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

D/D/D Renames?

Hey Cheesey, Just asking, are we waiting for the actual cards to be revealed to rename the rest of the D/D/D monsters, in line with Pendragon's TCG name, or is it just no ones gotten round to it yet? PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 14:51, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

I'd prefer to wait until we have a few more confirmations, yes. "Pendragon" isn't from the anime or the manga, so it may not necessarily use the same naming scheme. In addition, the only source for the name we have isn't from Konami, its from a website that will be selling the starter deck. Its inconsistent whether such sites use the official TCG names or not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:23, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

@ Renmaes; Ok then. @ Pendragon; The Official Site use the same name, just so you know. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 17:36, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, so it does. Well, in that case, I'd still prefer to wait, but I'm not going to up and revert if you want to move them. Just be prepared to move them again if you're wrong. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:38, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Ok then. Any suggestion forArmageddon and Ragnarok, seeing as their initial names are a tad different from the others to begin with, those business puns I mean. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 18:05, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Not really, no. Which is another reason I'd prefer to keep them as-is for now. The TCG might just drop the business puns, but they could have them in mind, too. Hard to tell. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:12, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, seeing as their a little more difficult for me, consistency wise, and I'd rather not completely balls them up, I'll leave those for now. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 18:32, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

That's fine. I really can't think of a way to maintain the TCG's word order and the business puns, so yeah, its tricky. They are fundamentally the archetypes ace monsters though and sometimes ace monsters get modified treatment in terms of names anyway. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:36, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Please do not suppress the redirects for main card pages. Can you recreate them, please? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:38, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

How does one go about setting up the redirect? PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 19:57, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Click the redlinks that resulted from the moves. Type "#REDIRECT Current article name here". Save. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:01, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Toy Tank

Sure. While we're on the subject, do you know where we got the name "Toy Tank" from? It was never named in the manga. I assume it's from a Japanese info, since we have a Japanese name too. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:09, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

New Spin-off

So, it was released. I created the main page (Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V The Strongest Duelist Yuya!!), the chapter page (Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V The Strongest Duelist Yuya!! - Chapter 001) and character portal (Portal:Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V The Strongest Duelist Yuya!! characters), you might wanna double check if everything's alright. So, which abbreviation we're gonna use for the cards? I used "DY" (as in "Duelist Yuya") for now; also, it seems we'll be getting more original cards this time (see Guard Change), so we need to add a "appears_in_dy" or something for the card pages. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:53, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, damnit, they're using non-OCG cards? Oh well. Things look fine to me. I'll add the support for "appears_in_dy" to the template for now, unless and until we figure out something different. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:59, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

No, I won't. Because I broke it. *lights Dinoguy signal* Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:04, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

If you mean you got an internal error when you tried to save, that's something that's been happening with {{Manga card}} - it happens for me, too, and it means we can't edit it until we stop getting the error (which means no ARC-V support).

Is there any reason not to just use AV for the abbreviation here, instead of DY or something else? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:45, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

In case there's a regular ARC-V manga later. This is the D Team ZEXAL equivalent. No regular manga has been announced and we don't know if there will be one, but if there is, it would take precedence and get the "AV" abbreviation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:34, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should also create a parameter like that for the regular card articles BTW (a "manga_dy" one for the existing cards like "Performapal Hip Hippo"). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 03:15, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, probably. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:18, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Are we gonna create separate articles for the characters? Something like "Yuya Sakaki (DY)"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:32, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:50, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, for some reason, their manga debuts link to the first chapter of DM... LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:14, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

-_- Wow. Ok, I looked at the infobox template, I don't know why its happening. I'll ask Dino again. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:18, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. This was a problem with {{Chapter}}, not the infobox. Note that it now shows the chapter's pagename instead of anything else because no English or translated Japanese name is listed; once one of those gets added, it should update (though it might require a null edit). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:46, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Elemental HERO Neos pages

The "Elemental HERO Neos" pages template (or whatever is) says Anime, Anime, which is causing an error when the text "Elemental HERO Neos" is shown with the Monster Template. I don't know how to fix the pages template, so can you help with this?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:01, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

I've seen the "Anime, Anime" thing pop up a bit, but it usually rights itself in a little bit. I haven't seen it interact with the monster template like that though. Not sure how to fix it. I'll see if Dino does. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:03, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

I tried a null edit to Elemental Hero Neos (anime) which didn't do anything; if there's something that needs changed on that page, one of you could try that instead, but I'm not particularly hopeful. I wouldn't be surprised if by this point {{Monster}} is horribly abusing SMW queries for its functionality (and if so, that the problem with its display of this page arises from said abuse), but by now I'm afraid to actually try looking at the code to see what might be going on. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:59, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Found a possible reason

"Elemental Hero Neos" (later anime)

Because the above has not been created yet, the template I made note of has that strange error. It's waiting for another link perhaps and that is why there is anime, anime in the Elemental HERO Neos page template and it's linking both because it doesn't know which is which.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:32, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't actually have anything to do with it at all. That link is added by {{For}}, which doesn't interact with SMW at all, and can be confirmed by searching for "later anime" on Special:Browse/Elemental Hero Neos (anime). What you might notice on that page, though, is that the value "Anime" is stored in the "Medium" property twice; this is the property used for the text in the other card versions navbox, and its value here is why the link has the text it does. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 14:35, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, actually, all the properties have their values doubled; I didn't pay attention to them before. That would be what's causing issues with {{Monster}}, by the way, "anime" being doubled in the navbox link is only another symptom of the same underlying issue (SMW's cache being retarded). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 14:38, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Hot Red Dragon Archfiend

I quickly checked its card/summoning sequence in all chapters it appears and didn't see that alternative name anywhere. I didn't thoroughly check all times its name was mentioned, but that name didn't appear in any major event. No idea where it comes from, either. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:45, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and on a side note, I think we should rename Summon The Dark Ruler!! and Evolving Duel! Stardust VS Red Demons (both have redirects). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:52, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

DY

So, apparently, Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V The Strongest Duelist Yuya!! - Chapter 001 has no chapter title. :| What to do.png LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:40, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oh wow. I guess just use, well, that, as the title. Add it to the infobox and the header. No other ideas. And something has to be there for the template to work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:45, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, wow. With "that" you mean "Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V The Strongest Duelist Yuya!! - Chapter 001"?

Another thing, about Vaccination. According to the JP lore "Vaccine Counters" don't exist, should we delete the page? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:16, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yes.

Since its an Equip, I would say so. Life Stars being Life Star Counters makes sense. This isn't quite the same thing. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:21, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Cursebreaker

Heya. I noticed you moved the Card Artworks for "Cursebreaker" to "De-Spell" instead, and that all the sections for "Cursebreaker" such as Card Gallery, etc. lead to the respective section for "De-Spell." Why is this? They have different Japanese names, so shouldn't they be treated as different cards based on precedent?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 13:39, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

With the anime card splits, no. I talked with Delt about it, and we think this system makes the most sense, since the articles are split anyway. Them sharing the subpages should be okay (and on that note, I'm wondering where the hell Delt went). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:13, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Duelist Pack: Kastle Siblings

Since the pack was never released in English, is it better to use Shark's and Rio's Japanese names over their English ones? ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 04:03, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea, truthfully. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:34, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

No.

As you can notice if you check Astral's decklist in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank 053, we're currently having a big inconsistency with the Numbers' names; we're naming the manga pages of the Numbers as "No.", but if a Number still wasn't released, we call it "Number" instead. Should we rename all of them to "No.", or the opposite, or neither? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:06, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. I've noticed that before. I didn't worry about it since I assume all the Numbers will be released eventually anyway. If you want to rename the manga only ones to "No." that would be fine, we just need to retain the redirects. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:51, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Obelisk

Um. This article. I don't think it should be a thing. At most, it should be a manga card article with the falvor text "this was not a physical card, but the upgraded form of Obelisk" or something. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:43, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Try bringing it up on the talk page first. Could you give me a bit more info though? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:58, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

I imagined nobody would check the Talk Page since there's practically nothing linking to that article other than the chapter's article. When Yugi used Divine Evolution on Obelisk, Obelisk "stepped-up" in the God hierarchy and reached the same status as Ra and The Wicked Avatar; when he did so, Yugi called his upgraded form "Obelisk the Progenitor". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:15, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

I know what it is and how it happened, but I didn't realize that was its only occurrence. No objection to making it a Manga card article. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:16, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, when you asked for more info I thought you meant on Obelisk the Progenitor. My bad. Gonna make it a manga card article then. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:55, April 21, 2015 (UTC)