User talk:Dinoguy1000

Bug with Category:Konami's Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters cards

Hey man! I've noticed a little bug on the main page of the wiki. It says that we have 19 Duel Monster cards in the wiki when we actually have 20. When you look at this, you will see that it misses Ryu-Kishin (DM) and that is why on the main page it says 19 instead of 20. Problem is, I don't see where that problem comes from! Everything seems normal on Ryu-Kishin's page... Any idea? --Wilimut ^Talk_Mail Paris, 20:02, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to go with "cache error" on this one, since it looks like everything's corrected itself since you posted. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:34, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

To elaborate; for problems like that, the solution is usually one of the following:

• Edit the page that's being excluded. A null edit is fine.
• Add "?action=purge" to the end of the URL of the page where it's not appearing. Administrators, using the Monobook skin, can do this automatically by clicking the "refresh" tab.
• Both of the above.
• Leave it alone until the cache or job queue clears.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 22:41, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Well I did not touch anything to those pages so I understand that there can be a problem of cache when we newly add a category or any information to a page but for this example where no one touched those pages for months, it was still a cache problem...

Anyway, here's another question in the same vein. How cards are automatically added to this page? I thought we needed to add the eds_set in the card page but some of the cards in the list don't have this information and are still in it. --Wilimut ^Talk_Mail Paris, 10:01, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Blame SMW for the caching issue. Its cache is considerably more temperamental than that of MediaWiki itself, and so as a result we occasionally get cache-related problems originating with it and affecting pages that no one's touched for some time. Wikia can't do much to fix it, either, without forking SMW or writing their own semantic markup/querying extension, because the SMW team has already rejected patches submitted by Wikia that would have addressed performance and caching issues.

Aah, that's a bit of a trick question. ^^ If you edit the list, you'll notice that it's the result of a pretty small bit of code. The part we're interested in is the first bit after #ask:, [[Medium::EDS]]. This is the query's selector, and it tells SMW to display all pages that have a value of EDS stored in Property:Medium. But to see when pages will store that value, we have to look next to {{CardTable2}}: editing it and searching for [[Medium::EDS gets us two results. The first is in the lores block, in a collapsible row that is only displayed if {{{edslore}}} has some value. The second is farther down, in the sets section, and this time is in a collapsible row that only displays if {{{eds_sets}}} has a value. So in short, we see that Medium::EDS gets added if either edslore or eds_sets has a value, and thus those pages are the ones that get displayed on the card list. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 12:26, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Very complete answer! Thank you very much, it is very clear now for me! --Wilimut ^Talk_Mail Paris, 12:28, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Aah, good. =) I was actually a bit afraid I'd come off as though I were talking down to you a bit or something. =C 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 12:53, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Japanese-Asian sets? What for?

Now we know that the OCG gets printed in Traditional Chinese for distribution in Hong Kong and Taiwan. So is it necessary to release with a new ID as JA? For what it's worth, if Konami wants to extend their market, they shouldn't print cards only in Japanese. I can't find any lead on this. Can you?Take Fumikô (talk • contribs) 01:29, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Chinese cards (which have a region ID of TC) and Japanese-Asian cards (which have a region ID of JA) are completely separate; they have nothing to do with each other. Japanese-Asian is a branch-off of Japanese, making official a distinction that started, IIRC, the set before DUEA. And yes, we do have proof of Japanese-Asian as its own thing, see the galleries on The Duelist Advent. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:39, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

I was assuming Japanese-Asian cards is for the Asian market. Well, they once exclusively distributed Japanese cards on this market. Now Chinese cards make their debut; if Japanese cards still have to be distributed outside of Japan, what's the point in creating a new ID as "JA". I really don't get it. Why would they want to differ JA from JP, if the cards are all printed in Japanese?Take Fumikô (talk • contribs) 10:50, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

I can't answer that, because I'm not privy to Konami's internal decision-making processes. The only thing I can say is that it's a thing, and we have documented proof that it's a thing, so we document it ourselves. I will, however, point out that Asian-English cards are also a thing, and have been for years, and have the same, or at least similar, Asian distribution as TC and JA cards. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 11:49, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

At least Asian-English cards are printed in English which is spoken in many Asian countries, officially or not. Anyway, thanks for your replies.Take Fumikô (talk • contribs) 12:08, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Well, while they are limited to the early UDE days, there are also the different English region prints: worldwide, North American, European, and Australian/Oceanic. Similarly, there's French and French-Canadian, though in that case I don't think there was likely to be any geographical overlap between the intended distribution areas. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 12:19, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

help

some people say if ur card say once per turn it mean on ur turn is it right and somepeople are saying once per turn means each players turn. which one is right and which one is wrong. Can u help me plzzz —This unsigned comment was made by Reaperkiller93 (talk • contribs) 16:59, May 7, 2014

Hello Reaperkiller93, unfortunately I can't provide help with ruling questions. I would suggest starting with our once per turn article, and if you still have questions, you should ask in the ruling queries forum. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:49, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

About the Yang Zing's name

Just a thought. I wonder if you guys are gonna change all "Cosmic Dragons" to "Yang Zing", or if you're waiting for the English sets to show up.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 08:34, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

I don't normally participate in renaming cards to reflect official English names, so I don't know what our actual policy is offhand, but I think we aren't necessarily consistent in how we handle this particular case from one instance to the next. I would lean towards waiting to rename cards until we had their official English names, instead of just the archseries name, though. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:57, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

I thought they were already all renamed. In any case, there's still quite a bit of time before DUEA is released in English and I rather doubt we'll get more confirmed names anytime soon, so if they haven't been renamed, I believe they should be. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:15, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

New Tables? Why not with new changes?

I just checked a List of "<archetype>" cards page. Now the table is split into 2 sub-tables. Why don't we change the term "Monster type" into "Ability" as well? It will make much more sense and be a lot less confusing.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 01:05, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

Because we don't have confirmation that the English name of that categorization is "Ability", and because changing that label properly is considerably more complicated than just a little edit, mostly because of SMW. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:31, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for asking a dumb question, but what is SMW?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 02:11, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

Semantic MediaWiki. It's an extension that allows you to store various facts about a page and then run automatic queries to find lists of pages with similar features. We use it extensively here; for example, it's used to build the lists of cards on the archetype/series card lists. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:28, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean...

...by this: ""Exceed" is not a valid translation at all; there is no "best" translation here because the Japanese term doesn't translate to anything"? If a "Japanese term doesn't translate to anything", then why do we have the "Japanese translated" option in the first place? Kind of lame, don't you think?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 03:14, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

I meant exactly what I said: the Japanese term for "Xyz", エクシーズ, has no English translation; there is no English word which that can be translated into. The best you could hope to do is some kind of "well, it sounds kinda like *this* if you squint your eyes and look at it sideways", which is exactly what fan translators did when they came up with "Exceed". And I have no idea why you're asking about the Japanese translated parameter; it's part of the template used on the page, is meant to be used only for those cases where it's applicable, and should not be used on every page just because it's there. I don't know why that of all things should be what gives you trouble, though. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:53, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Fyi, I had no trouble at all with all these things. I just wanted to know how did you come up with such conclusion. By what means can you tell there is no English word which エクシーズ can be translated into? エクシーズ is not an actual Japanese word (if it was, it should be easily looked up in a Japanese dictionary); it is, by all means, a way of phonetic transcription of the English word "Exceed" (if not, what else could it be?), in the Japanese way of course; and it's not just about the "sound" of the word: エクシーズ has always been translated into "超量" (meaning "Exceed") in the Chinese rulebook since the first time Xyz Monsters showed up, way before Chinese cards were officially printed. Well, I assume the parameter serves as a way of translation for "genuine" Japanese word, and of backward transcription for anything else (doesn't it?). Then if "Tenshi" can be "translated" into "Angel", "Andetto" can be "translated" into "Undead", "Ribaasu" can be "translated" into "Reverse", etc., why can't "Ekushiizu" be "translated" into "Exceed"?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 10:53, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

What Konami does for the Chinese game can lead to insights on what they did for the Japanese game, but it cannot be simply treated as an absolute: at the end of the day, Japanese is Japanese, and Chinese is Chinese, and Konami can and will handle them differently. Your argument here is akin to arguing that they meant to translate Sea Serpent as "Marine Serpent" because that's what the Italian and Spanish translations of the name mean in English (and before you say anything about how those languages must not have a word for "sea", direct your attention to "mare" for Italian and "mar" for Spanish). And English words have more-or-less standard transcriptions into Japanese using katakana; the katakana rendering for "exceed" would be エクシード. And you are the only person since it was determined that "Exceed" was incorrect that has seriously argued for the translation on-wiki, in spite of more than one fan latching on to it for whatever reason. Every translator who's looked at it so far has gone "no, that can't be exceed", so what qualifies you to declare them all wrong? And your further examples don't prove anything: "tenshi" translates to "angel" because it's the Japanese word for "angel"; "andetto" doesn't actually translate to "undead", but is confirmed to have been a typo by Konami for "undetto", which does; and "ribāsu" is exactly how you would transliterate the English word "reverse" into Japanese. None of these circumstances hold for "ekushīzu". 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:22, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

I think what Dino is trying to say isn't that "エクシーズ" and "exceed" are different, but rather that there isn't enough evidence to conclude that the two are the same. There's been no official acknowledgement of the meaning of "エクシーズ" in the original Japanese, and as Dino noted translations in other languages are often reinterpreted beyond recognition (see the Yang Zing for example), so the fact that the Chinese translators agree with you doesn't necessarily say anything about the the Japanese intention. Since there's been no confirmation from the original source, and since "エクシーズ" doesn't actually translate to "exceed" under industry standards, putting it on the wiki that "exceed" was Konami's intended translation would be speculation at best, which is against wikia policy. If we don't know the correct translation with reasonable certainty, then the proper thing to do is admit that and leave the space blank. Emmic (talk • contribs) 17:54, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

• "what qualifies you to declare them all wrong?". I have no idea at all what made you say all this: I didn't say anything about right or wrong here. For the last time, I just wondered what made you come up with such conclusion. Don't ge me wrong.
• I had no idea "undead" was "confirmed" as a valid translation for "andetto", but now I do (maybe).
• "the katakana rendering for "exceed" would be エクシード." This doesn't sound convincing. As far as I know, like you said, "English words have more-or-less standard transcriptions into Japanese using katakana", so "Exceed" can be either "ekushiizu" or "ekushiido", just like "undead" can be either "andeddo" or "andetto", "kid" can be either "kiddo" or "kidzu", "ace" can either be "eisu" or "eesu".
• As I perceive from what you said: a Japanese transcription for an English word must follow some standard systems (what is "standard" and what "standard" is followed by the wiki?), or it must be foolproof. If so, a de-transcription process can be easily accepted (eg. "ribaasu" -> "reverse"). If not, no such process is preferred, unless it was (somehow) confirmed by Konami (eg. "ekushiizu" -> "exceed" (wrong!); "andetto" -> "undead" (correct))
• "Your argument here is akin to arguing that they meant to translate Sea Serpent as "Marine Serpent" because that's what the Italian and Spanish translations of the name mean in English". For God's sake! I just wanted to provide a literal translation (which is why I wrote "lit."). That has nothing to do with my "argument" here! Just remove it if you don't feel like it.
• "If we don't know the correct translation with reasonable certainty, then the proper thing to do is admit that and leave the space blank." Take a look at the Yang Zing page, and you see a claim ""Yang Zing", known as "Cosmic Dragon" (竜りゅう星せい Ryūsei) in the OCG". As far as I know, "Cosmic Dragon" can't be said to be "correct" or not, hasn't ever been confirmed by Konami, and was just a brilliant idea (wasn't it?) of some guys in the organization. But still it's put right there, on the top line.

By the way, Dinoguy1000, you haven't cleaned up the Xyz Summon page. I wouldn't do what I don't want to. Will you? Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 01:16, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Please calm down some; it wasn't my intention to be antagonistic, confrontational, or dismissive towards you. We have had problems in the past with an editor who believed his way was the only way in regards to translation, and refused to work with us even after we adopted the current policy of using Org translations, so we are naturally somewhat leery when someone else comes in and starts simply adding or changing translations with little discussion or reasoning.

"Undead" and "andetto" aren't a simple matter of correct/incorrect, as I said above: "andetto" is a mistransliteration of "undead" into Japanese, and the correct transliteration would be "undetto" (or even something like "undeddo"). This is a case of Konami screwing up and later publicly stating they screwed up and what the correct form should be. UIAM, several card names/lores use "undetto" instead of "andetto".

The general method for coming up with a transliteration is approximating the sounds of one language in the other (if you're of a more academic bent, you can devise systems that reflect the historical development or similar characteristics of the source language, and many such systems have been created for Japanese and other languages, but these can be nonintuitive and difficult to learn, since they don't necessarily reflect (perceived) pronunciation of the modern spoken language). The revised Hepburn romanization system the wiki uses is precisely that: it seeks to approximate the pronunciation of modern spoken Japanese using sounds commonly found in modern spoken English (specifically, I believe, American English). This gives rise to a very obvious method for transliterating English words into Japanese: reverse the direction, and find those sounds in spoken Japanese that best approximate the pronunciation of the English word. This is why I am arguing against "ekushīzu" as a correct transliteration of "exceed"; working from our principle, the back-transliteration would come out to something like "exceez", which is obviously not a valid English word. This principle also explains why "andetto" is not actually a correct transliteration of "undead" even though Konami treats it as such: the constructions "undetto" and "undeddo" both come closer to approximating the English pronunciation using Japanese sounds. This also takes care of your "kid" example: "kidzu" would be back-transliterated to "kids". "Ace" is another example, though, of two potentially-correct transliterations; "eisu" and "ēsu" both sound quite close to the English pronunciation, potentially depending on your specific dialect of English. Back to the "exceed" case, to make a more general argument, transliterations of English words with a terminating "d" into Japanese, in my experience, exclusively use a "d" or "t" phoneme, most commonly "do" or "du" depending on the overall pronunciation of the word; "so" or "su" are instead used for words with a terminating "s" sound.

I had nothing to do with the Org translation of Yang Zing, but the team includes a number of experienced translators and at least one native speaker of Japanese; if they say "Cosmic Dragon" is a valid translation, I am inclined to believe them. Remember that translation is an art, not a science, and there is often no single "correct" translation: natural language is very heavily context-dependent, and that context consists of the surrounding text, the culture and history surrounding the work and author, the author's personal knowledge, and any number of other factors. There's a reason we still do not have high-quality machine translation, in spite of the extensive, intensive effort that has been made for decades to develop it; if it were just a simple matter of word mappings with the occasional exception, we would all already be able to speak, write, read, and understand any of the world's thousands of languages thanks to relatively simple automatic translation programs.

I don't know why you even brought that up; I don't recall saying anywhere that I intended to clean that page up. I certainly wouldn't make such a declaration, either, given that I don't understand the mechanics of the game very well, and given my already-extensive to-do list. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:06, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I still believe "kid" can be either "kiddo" or "kidzu". I just looked it up in this Wikia and find a lot of "kidzu": http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=kid&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns100=1&ns102=1&ns104=1&ns106=1&ns108=1&ns112=1&ns114=1&ns116=1&ns118=1&ns120=1&ns122=1&ns124=1&ns126=1&ns128=1&ns130=1&ns131=1. Most of these cases involve just ONE kid. And when I say "what standard system is followed by the Wikia", I meant "what standard transcription system" (is there such a system?), not a romanization system like Hepburn. As much as I love "kiddo" as the best transcription (the process here is not "transliteration" which deals with script conversion, but "transcription" which deals with sound conversion), I still believe there is nothing wrong about "kidzu" being "kid"; the wrong thing is that Konami always screws up, they write it as "キッズ" (kizzu) (but still "kizzu" is translated to "kids" instead of "kid", even where there is supposed to be just ONE "kid") instead of "キッヅ" (kidzu) (which is exactly what they did to "ekushiizu"; by the way, the Hepburn romanization doesn't ever support "du", "jj", "cchi" or "ddu" like the romanization method used by this Wikia, as far as I'm concerned). But if you incline to believe in what you have always believed, suit yourself. And I'm really sorry for making you misunderstand: I meant removing the "Japanese translated" parameter on that page. Finally, thanks for the talk, real interesting!

P/S: Speaking of romanization, I believe there are serious accuracy issues on these two pages: Lunar Queen Elzaim and Madolche Baaple. But if you guys can't come up with any better ideas, so be it.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 04:15, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Note that all cards with "kizzu" in their Japanese names have a translated name parameter showing the word as "Kids" (or, in one case, "Kid's"). I can assure you that this did not happen by any concerted effort; it's been done organically over time as people have noticed and filled in the parameter. The official English names of these cards being "Kid" are because Konami decided that's what the English name should be, instead of "Kids". Konami's translation choices do not impact the actual translation or transliteration of words (I was very careful to avoid insinuating this above when I talked about "andetto" being an incorrect transliteration of "undead"). For more on this, I would direct your attention to the Wikipedia article on transliteration into Japanese (note in particular the very second sentence, which begins "As far as possible, sounds in the source language are matched to the nearest sounds in the Japanese language").

You're confused here (or I'm misunderstanding you because it's late and I'm tired, in which case I apologize and you should correct me). Transliteration is the conversion of text from one script to another - the script pairing for the purposes of this definition is arbitrary; it is just as valid to talk about transliteration of Japanese into the Latin alphabet as it is to talk about transliteration of e.g. Greek into Devanagari. Romanization is just the specific case of transliteration from an arbitrary source script to the Latin alphabet. And transcription is, depending who you ask, the representation of any language in written form, or specifically only of spoken language in written form. I was (or attempted to be) very careful in my use above, using "transcription" to refer specifically to the practice of rendering English text in katakana by matching the English pronunciation with a valid Japanese pronunciation. Again, though, I direct your attention to the Wikipedia article on transliteration into Japanese, which explains it far better, more thoroughly, and more eloquently than I could ever hope to manage.

I never said this wiki uses the Hepburn system, but rather that it uses a revised Hepburn system - specifically, the same one used on Wikipedia. That being said, we have never undertaken anything like an intensive review of Wikipedia's system to determine if we actually correctly follow (or even completely understand) it, so there are bound to be errors and deviations in various places around here - including, potentially, the two articles you pointed to (though I didn't look at them before posting this). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:50, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

The "Cosmic Dragon" issue isn't really a good comparison here, nor is the "Marine Serpent" example for that matter. In both cases, the intended meaning of the original Japanese is clear, and the conflict stems from how accurate we want the translation to be with regard to literal meaning vs. intended meaning. In short, it's just a stylistic issue. Here, you're making a factual claim - that the intended meaning of "エクシーズ" is "to exceed, to surpass", when the intended meaning itself is unclear. (Just thought it would be good to make that distinction). Agree that this is an interesting conversation though. Emmic (talk • contribs) 09:43, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

I would be glad to put an end to this topic (which is getting silly), by telling you, Dinoguy1000, please double check before you give anyone a reference source, please do not lead them to nowhere. The appropriate Wikipedia article would be Transcription into Japanese. The one you suggest hasn't even been created, for crying out loud! And I'm damn sure I'm not the one who's confused here. You must be really tired, I can tell.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 10:14, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that was the intended target of my link. I meant to double-check before saving, but overlooked it in my rush to wrap up and get to bed. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:50, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Scales of Pendulum Monsters

Hello. I was looking at the List of Pendulum Monsters, and that type of list shows their Level, Type, ATK, etc. but not their Pendulum Scales, so how can we add it to those lists? --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 03:15, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

I've been aware of that being needed since I added support for Pendulum Monsters to {{CardTable2}}; I've just been lazy about adding it because the list uses {{Monster type card list}}, which is also used by several other lists that should *not* display Pendulum Scales, which complicates the work needed here. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:48, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

*sorry for meddling* But you know, even sole Xyz Monster lists or lists with no Xyz Monsters (such as lists of "Level X monsters") have both "Level" and "Rank", when only one of them is needed. The other simply stays blank. I say there's no problem in having "Pendulum Scale" in all lists too, since if a card doesn't have Pendulum Scales it will automatically not be listed, and it will be blank just like the "Rank". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:26, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

True, there're a number of such inconsistencies (or, perhaps, excessive consistencies) already spread throughout the card lists. My concern here, though, is the sheer width of the tables; adding yet another column even where it's not needed won't help readers at all, particularly readers with small screens (e.g. mobile viewers). So I would prefer to implement this "correctly" rather than just rushing it in and making the experience even worse where it has no need to be. Thank you for pointing out some of the other problem areas, though; I'll be sure to look at addressing them as well (and feel free to point out more if you happen to notice any). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:32, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

ARC-V one shot

So, this month a one shot of ARC-V is being published on V-Jump. I asked Cheese 'bout it, and he said that since it's not a continuous series, there's no need to create articles for the manga yet (such as "Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V (manga)", "Yuya Sakaki (manga)", etc.). But there are 2 issues. Adding "|manga_av = SP1" to a card's article automatically creates a "Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V (manga)" link, also it says "SP1" is not a valid name (the ZEXAL cards which appear in the ZEXAL SP1 are written the same, though). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:21, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'm aware of both issues. The first is a trivial fix, but one I'd rather avoid if it looks likely that a "proper" manga series will be starting in the near future, and the second is likely to be trivial as well, but if not, will probably require some concentrated effort to figure out. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:38, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

South Africa, Cyprus and Latin America's ID?

I wonder if these regions have ever had their own ID. Do you have any lead?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 01:25, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not even aware of official distribution in South America or Cyprus, but if they have any it'd probably be English product. Latin America is its own distribution area and "officially" receives Spanish product, meaning a region ID of "SP", but they almost certainly get a significant amount of English product as well. Though keep in mind this is all based on my own knowledge/recollection; I could be mistaken or misinformed and there could be historical detail I'm missing too. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:36, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Fire.png

Is it possible to rename the old Fire.png to something like CreditsFire.png? Schattenherz (talk • contribs) 07:47, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Both images need renamed, really; "Fire.[extension]" is far too generic a name to be suitable (this goes for your whole series of Attribute pips, too). For your pips, I would immediately suggest the names "[Attribute] pip.png" or "[ATTRIBUTE] pip.png" (or maybe you have some better ideas); you should reupload the FIRE pip and I can rename the others for you once you decide on a name scheme. You should keep in mind, though, that we generally do not allow fanmade images, so there's a very real possibility the images could end up deleted regardless, though personally I quite like them. ^^ 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:28, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the information. Have you read what i've written to deltaneos?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Deltaneos#Attributes_Variant_Icons

Concerning the rename. How about "[Attribute]_icon.png"?

--Schattenherz (talk • contribs) 21:06, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Not yet, I will in a minute.

That's too much like a filename that would be used for official images. Thinking about it more, I would actually suggest including "Fanmade" or "Fan" somewhere in the filenames. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:27, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

I uploaded fire.png again so you could rename the whole set. Maybe to [ATRIBUTE]_fanicon.png

Anyways the fire.png at the moment doesnt show a image when i do File:Fire.png

--Schattenherz (talk • contribs) 19:53, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Polymerization (Fusion)

Isn't it the time to fuses both "Polymerization" and "Polymerization (Fusion)" into one page. Seriously, the cards database considered them as 1 card (release tree). At least we make the Gallery, Rulings, Errata... go to the same page. --Dlamash (talk • contribs) 08:59, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Even yugioh.com considere them as 1 card. --Dlamash (talk • contribs) 09:03, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

They are separate here because they have different Card Numbers (this is the same reason Dark Magician and Dark Magician (Arkana) are separate). While I have no comment on whether this is a good enough reason to keep them separate, I will say that {{CardTable2}} has no support for a single card having more than one Card Number, nor could such support be added, since, as can be seen with these two cases, the Card Number is tied to specific set releases. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 11:23, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

About the Pendulum Scale page

File:2014-06-04 210050.png

I uploaded a new version of the image, in higher resolution, but no matter what size I put it in, the page looks terrible like this. Can you tell me why?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 14:02, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

You're probably not using the correct parameter for the image's width. For the infobox used there, it should be "image width" (though I didn't check, so I could be mistaken). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 14:11, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Here's what I did. What went wrong?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 07:15, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, looking at the template's code, you need to include "px" at the end of the size. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:46, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. That did the trick.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 08:56, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Card Pages

Dino, what's up with the card pages? I've found that it fixes itself if you perform a null edit or just refresh the page, but I was wondering if there was an underlying issue somewhere that was causing the pages to display like that. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 23:22, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Aah, so I'm not the only one who's been seeing that. It looks like it mostly affects content that is styled via MediaWiki:Common.css and the CSS files included via it; I've seen this so far on navboxes, infoboxes, and decklists. I'm guessing it's something cache-related. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:35, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Relieve Monster page

I can't access to this page. I loads a very short while then becomes blank like this. Is that because I'm blocked from accessing to this page?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 02:56, June 6, 2014 (UTC) thumb

I'm getting the same for that page. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:35, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Try again; I removed a stray character that was probably causing it. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:06, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know why it occured, but now things've gone normal. Thanks.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 13:22, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

What are "Update file links (automatic)" moves for?

I've seen them a lot lately. Can non-admin users do it? If so, how?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 02:52, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

These edits update links to a file after it's been renamed using a script to help automate file renaming. Currently, only movers and admins are able to rename files, and thus, use the script. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:55, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Where can I put my comment on a fresh image upload?

It seems that comments can only be put on re-uploads. I'd like to specify the sources of my uploads, but I don't know how.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 04:21, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

You should be able to add the source via the "Summary" box on the upload page. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:50, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

I meant a fresh upload, as for a file that has never hosted on the Wikia before. Let's say you edit a page, you want to add an image to it, you hit the "Image" button on the left of the edit box, then you're led to the dialogs on which there is no such thing as a "Summary" box. After you hit the "Add image", there's nothing you can do about the comments. The one thing you can do is to add the Fair use template to the page of the file. You can only add comments when you upload a new version of that file, as you're led to a page on which there IS a "Summary" box.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 07:42, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Apparently it works differently in the default skin, then. I use the Monobook skin exclusively, only jumping over to the default skin to preview or test stuff, and in Monobook there is an "upload image/file" link in the left navigation menu that leads to Special:Upload, which does have a "Summary" box. For the file upload dialog you're talking about, though, you can just add a summary to the file's description page, just as you'd add a fair use template. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:58, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

That seems complicated, and annoying. If I have already posted a file, how can I add the comment then, say to this page File:TimegazerMagician-ST14-JP-OP-2.png?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 09:22, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Edit it as you would any other page, add your comment, and save. It's no more complicated than editing any other page on the wiki. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 09:44, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

The thing is I don't know how to add a comment to a page that's already created.=))Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 04:47, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing here. What exactly do you mean by "comment"? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:32, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I can't find anything else known as "comment" on a Image file page other than the one put in the File History table. I've seen, somewhere, that that's where you would put the source of the file, or the copyright information, or the fair use rationale or whatsoever. Did you even take a look at the link I gave you? Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 07:21, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Aah, that. That is basically the file equivalent of an edit summary, and can only be filled in when uploading an image via Special:Upload, where it uses the contents of the "Summary" box. Otherwise, the best you can do is to add your comment to the image page itself as I described above. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:47, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Token Monster???

I wonder who came up with "Token Monster", and why they did. The term confirmed in all of the official rulebooks is "Monster Token"/"モンスタートークン" in this very order, NOT the other way around.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 13:12, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

TwoTailedFox created the article with the title "Monster Tokens" in 2006, and renamed it to "Token Monsters" in 2007 for consistency with the other monster type pages. Personally, I would rather have it renamed to just "Token", since that's the term used the most in the English rulebook and in card texts. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:05, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

ThanksTake Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 04:43, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Postfix

Can you add more than one postfix/prefix in pages like this one. --Dlamash (talk • contribs) 12:24, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

I think the best thing to do for that case (and other similar cases) would be to split the article into one for ZTIN-LNV and one for ZTIN-LN. There's no real way the infobox could be changed to properly support both on one article. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:37, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

OCG-TCG card image template

This template has a problem in some names, like Gaia Power, Brain Control, etc. E.g.: In File:GaiaPower-SP01-TC-C.png has the following message: There is no article for the card "Gaia Power". Could you fix this problem? IgorThunderMaster (talk • contribs) 21:16, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

It's a known issue stemming from SMW, and is affecting a lot of things we use SMW for across the wiki, including archseries navboxes and lists. There's unfortunately not much of anything that can be done to fix it, either; we're waiting on staff to do some work server-side that will hopefully resolve these problems and make SMW work better in general. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:08, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Djinns' Korean name

Can you fix the ruby template here? The ruby text on the Korean name is Hanja (Korean Han characters), not Hangul.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 09:46, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

There is no good way to do so automatically (it would be almost impossible using just parser functions), meaning the only satisfactory way to implement it would be with a dedicated parameter in {{Infobox archseries}}, which I have no intention of doing for such a minor thing, especially since this is the first case I've seen on-wiki where Korean Ruby text is anything other than hangul. It's also no less accurate than referring to Japanese base text as kanji everywhere, even when the base text contains or entirely consists of Latin, kana, or other non-kanji characters. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:51, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Can't we just refer to "furigana" and "hangul" as "ruby"? And now you tell me, can't we just use "base text" instead of "kanji". It's of course no big deal about the syntax (like "|kanji=", "|furigana="), but I think it's better to refer those kinds of text as "base text" and "ruby" for a better public display.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 01:25, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

It's really the type of thing I'd prefer to get input about from the rest of the community; the labels are somewhat historical so I'm hesitant to just change them with no discussion whatsoever. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

That would take forever. Thanks.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 03:23, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

I understand that you're frustrated by how long the collaborative, consensus-driven process can take, but that's the price of working in such an environment. Try asking cheesedude or UltimateKuriboh some time how it feels waiting for me to finally have the time to do template work they've been waiting on for years - in at least one case, IIRC, since 2009. And I've got other projects I've neglected for even longer, some stretching back to within just a year or so of my first foray onto the internet in 2002. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:13, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Talk Page Issues

Hey Dino, recently when other users make edits to my talk page, I don't get a message telling me about the change. Is there any way to fix that? --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 15:26, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

If you haven't already, try enabling email notifications in your preferences and see if that works. If not, my only other idea is to send a report to Wikia staff and see if they can track down and fix the issue for you. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:58, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Do you think you could make a edit on my talk page and see if it works? --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 19:08, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Nope, no luck. I'll go ahead and file to report to Wikia. Thanks for the help Dino. --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 21:59, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Could you poke me again? I think I found the problem. --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 16:51, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Solved! It was my adblock extension on Chrome. Thanks for the poke. --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 02:16, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

No problem. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:27, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Rarity

I'd like to use the parameter for the Chinese term on this page but it just can't display properly.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 03:26, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:17, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 04:27, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Listing anime appearances for movies

So over a month ago, you removed my changes to Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes White Dragon which added their appearances in movies to the infobox. You mentioned in an edit summary that it is trivially easy to add to the infobox (which would also seem to be the case to me, but I don't know specifically how it would be implemented differently). I originally added it to those pages because they were among the 10 pages that did not currently list their appearance in a movie that way (now they are the only 2, since I had added that to all 10 of those pages at the time). I'm not sure how you think movie appearances should be displayed, but I think it is important that movies are not seen as "lesser" appearances than in episodes by only putting them down the bottom of the page where they are far less easy to see.

Interested in your thoughts on how they should be displayed. Also, since there is a current standard for how movie appearances are displayed, if it will be a while before a new system is implemented, would it not be reasonable to use it in the interim? --SnorlaxMonster 13:19, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

I really don't like the idea of displaying an indication that a given card appears in a given movie in the main section of the card's page just because it's also done for anime series - the whole reason it is done for anime series is because we document what specific episodes the card appears in, and that information wouldn't fit in the bottom table given its current layout. So I think something a bit more drastic should be done here: either limit documenting the movies to the bottom table, or remove that entire section of the bottom table, since it already duplicates the main section needlessly for anime and manga series. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:36, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

What are individual cards?

And why do they need to be documented? What are they for?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 10:27, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

That would be a system proposed by TwoTailedFox that would have us document each individual print of a given card on its own subpage. I'm not sure what the current status of it is, though. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:52, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

It was pending completion of the layout table, but that seems to be OK now, unless there are further issues I'm not aware of.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:51, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Why are we still keeping those individual card pages? And proclaim that fact on the home page?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 05:38, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

type4=?

Would you consider adding one more parameter to the card table, in cases like this, where a monster has 3 additional sub-Type?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 14:28, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 03:37, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

Blue Dragon Summoner

There are some errors on the sub-pages (Gallery, Rulings,...) of this page. Could you check and fix it?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 04:00, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

This sometimes happens after a card page is renamed, because we use SMW to generate the links. In theory, this is meant to prevent cases of "orphaned" pages, which used to be a significant problem in the past, but in practice we often end up having to fight SMW's cache, which sometimes refuses to update. I've already tried the methods I've known to work in the past: moving the info page to its original title and back, and creating and then deleting a page at the original title, and neither worked, so I've asked the other admins if there's another method I've forgotten or am not aware of. Worse comes to worst, though, we'll just have to wait for SMW to decide to update its cache. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:56, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

WOW!Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 02:26, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Like I said

"Magician" is just a translation. It's terms we're talking about. That being said, no translation is "valid" by any means (unless because Konami said so). The first part of your given reason sounds very unreasonable. I agree with the second part, though.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 07:01, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Translation doesn't work like that; there absolutely are valid (and, by extension, invalid) translations. What Konami says only carries weight within the context of their media (and even then, it only speaks to their intent; Konami could say that かわいい translates to "ugly", but that wouldn't make it a correct translation); it has no bearing on how Japanese in general works. And in this case, "magician" is a perfectly valid translation of 魔法使い, irrespective of what Konami may or may not have said at any point in time. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:16, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Please define "valid". I would rather say "Magician" is a perfectly "proper" or "likely" translation of 魔法使い. I'm damn sure Konami would never say "kawaii" translates to "ugly"; which means your example is plain unlikely.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 05:35, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

valid - note that its first few definitions make it a synonym of "proper" and (in some senses) "likely". And stop using scare-quotes in the context of translation here; they're inapplicable at best.

My example wasn't meant to be one particularly likely to happen, it was specifically chosen to throw the core issue here in sharp relief. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:09, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, don't be silly, I just wanted to emphasize things here; those are definitely not scare quotes (this word is new to me 'cuz I didn't even know this concept could be put in a word). Should I instead make the word bold or italic or something?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 01:18, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

They absolutely are scare quotes. Your use of them on the word "valid" here matches the definition given in the first sentence of the Wikipedia article to a T. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:55, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

I know what I was thinking, and I'm telling you for the last time they're not scare-quotes, or at least they were not done on purpose. I know I've used square-quotes a few times before, but I had no intention of using them here. Just tell me the proper way to emphasize words in contexts as such. I just don't feel like leaving the words un-emphasized, because, as far as I know, sometimes they're can be missed.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 00:25, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

What is the warning sign for?

I've seen it on this page.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 01:37, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

It's a warning related to SMW, not anything to worry about really. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:57, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Here comes a stupid question

What do chat moderator do? I've been online a lot lately but never seen people crowded enough to start a chat. Are the chat system still working?Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 10:05, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Chatmods are users who've been given a few extra tools to help patrol the chat; primarily, they can kick or chatban abusive or disruptive users from the chat. And as far as I know, the chat is still working fine, though I don't use it myself. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:58, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Is there anything wrong with the connection to this wikia?

Every page's beginning to run very slow, sometimes can't even finish loading after I hit the "Publish" button. It's very funny that I've sometimes brought about edit conflicts with myself, but it's painfully funny. I'm still doing good with Youtube movies, then I'm assuming it's not because of my Internet connection.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 08:40, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

It's not just happening to you, several of the other admins and myself have been experiencing it too, and I'd imagine most editors are affected. It's being caused by SMW, which seems to be getting increasingly unstable. All we can really do is to try and ride it out; staff had plans to upgrade SMW and completely rebuild the SMW database, though I don't know what the ETA on any of that is at this point. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:01, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your long-waited answers.Take Fumikô (バカアキ) (talk) 00:15, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to guess this is why I can't rename any pages/the card tables won't update after I make a card number redirect. --Dark Ace SP (TalkPage) 21:38, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

It's definitely the cause of not being able to (correctly) rename pages, yeah, and it sounds like a likely culprit for the card table not updating. I've been making some edits to {{CardTable2}} over the past couple of weeks to hopefully lighten the load some, but considering the overall weight of the template, I'm not sure they've actually made much of any difference yet. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:17, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Queue

What happened with the queue? IgorThunderMaster (talk • contribs) 22:29, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

OCG-TCG card image

Enforce or no? If no, then I will stop using it and stop enforcing others. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 21:24, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

I would say enforce, but as long as the images are properly licensed, it's not actually *that* important. The template serves four main purposes: providing basic information, with relevant links, for the card image (which can be quite useful when looking at prints of unfamiliar cards in languages you don't speak); automatically checking the filename and making it simpler to correct incorrect ones; auto-tagging the files as fair use; and providing a simple means to enable/deploy future functionality (like advanced categorization). So while it would be preferred that the template is used, as long as it gets added eventually I'm not particularly broken up over any particular editor refusing to add it to their uploads, as long as they correctly name the files. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:16, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters International: Worldwide Edition promotional cards

I need help with this page, because I was trying to set up the list and gallery similar to what was done for Vol.1. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:22, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Got it fixed, I think. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:36, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Using your boilerplate gives me Template:AsianSetGalleries at the top of the page (I still manually put {{Card name|xxx|JP}} for the set). Is that template supposed to appear, or should it be Template:OCGSetGalleries?

It also gave "En" for the "Card name" template for the product name, and listed "Worldwide English" instead of "Asian-English". --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 01:16, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

The boilerplate doesn't actually support set info pages that use a full region name in their pagename, or that don't have a region specified in it at all. I'm not sure how much work it'll be to add that, but I don't think it'll be trivial, so I've been putting it off until I created a template to replace the boilerplate. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:31, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Labyrinth of Nightmare (set)

Is there a way for LON-EN to have a separate date assigned to it, as compared to LON-(NA), so that each date will show separately for the "na" and "en" parameters in Template:Card table set? (I want to peg LON-EN as the same date for Master Collection Volume 1, which would make me place DB1 above LON in the "en" Card table set template.) --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 02:03, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

You should be able to use na_release_date for NA and en_release_date for EN. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:52, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Duel Arena account

If you created a 2nd new account (after the beta closed), could you log in and see if you have more than 50 cards in your Deck editor? Just click edit on an blank "Deck space" to see all the cards in your trunk. If you do have 50+ cards in there, and you hopefully didn't buy any packs since the account's creation, could you compare it with this list? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:41, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, they match up. New accounts only got 50 cards because of a ten-card signup bonus being offered for a limited time, though, right? If so, have you gotten a list from anyone of which cards were the bonus cards yet? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:38, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

No, because they're still offering 50 cards for some reason, and I don't see any notices where they said they kept the bonus. On a side note, can you somehow force the "Trivia" section below the list in the "List" section here? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 19:30, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. The problem was that the table was closed with "|-}" instead of "|}". 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:19, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Match Winner is an Effect?

The Match Winner is listed under conditions in it's article though. SSJ 2 (talk) 19:27, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Sup

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