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| [[Amazoness Archer]]
 
| [[Amazoness Archer]]
| One of several "tribute monsters to inflict burn damage" cards to be Forbidden (see [[Cannon Soldier]] below). Like the others, it has no turn restriction, leading to burn FTKs. This one in particular is searchable, by cards such as [[Amazoness Call]]. This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
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| rowspan="4" | [[Cannon Soldier]] and its ilk are classic burn FTK enablers with no once-per-turn restriction which can be used in many strategies. The original was infamous, but spared being Forbidden for so long (unlike its faster Spell counterpart, [[Mass Driver]]) since it has the disadvantage of requiring a Normal Summon or another card to Special Summon it. The game is much faster now, and methods to Special Summon it and its counterparts easily are widespread. In particular, various Link-era burn strategies featuring [[Firewall Dragon]] (Limited) and the player's choice of engine brought them to the fore enough for them to be Forbidden. These cards are Unlimited in the TCG.
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| [[Cannon Soldier]]
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| [[Cannon Soldier MK-2]]
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| [[Toon Cannon Soldier]]
 
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| [[Ancient Fairy Dragon]]
 
| [[Ancient Fairy Dragon]]
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| [[Astrograph Sorcerer]]
 
| [[Astrograph Sorcerer]]
| Key card in Pendulum Magicians. When a card you control is destroyed, it can Special Summon itself from the hand and add a copy of the destroyed card from the Deck to the hand. Can be triggered and looped fairly easily with [[Heavymetalfoes Electrumite]]. This card is Limited in the OCG.
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| Key card in Pendulum Magicians that generates ludicrous advantage. When a card you control is destroyed, it can Special Summon itself from the hand and add a copy of the destroyed card from the Deck to the hand. Can be triggered and looped fairly easily with [[Heavymetalfoes Electrumite]]. Being Level 7, it can be used to access [[Odd-Eyes Absolute Dragon]], which provides more advantage, and brings out [[Odd-Eyes Vortex Dragon]], with its removal and negate effects, when it's sent to the Graveyard by any means. This card is Limited in the OCG.
 
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| [[Blackwing - Gofu the Vague Shadow]]
 
| [[Blackwing - Gofu the Vague Shadow]]
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| [[Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls]]
 
| [[Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls]]
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| [[Cannon Soldier]]
 
| A classic burn FTK enabler which can be used in many strategies. [[Mass Driver]] (also Forbidden) on legs, which was spared being Forbidden for so long since it has the disadvantage of requiring a Normal Summon or another card to Special Summon it. When methods to Summon monsters easily became much more viable, that was ultimately that for this card. This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
 
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| [[Cannon Soldier MK-2]]
 
| Another Cannon Soldier (above). Requires more setup to pull off, but has the same end effect: a burn FTK. This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
 
 
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| [[Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End]]
 
| [[Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End]]
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| [[Makyura the Destructor]]
 
| [[Makyura the Destructor]]
| When sent to the Graveyard, it allows the activation of any Trap Card from the hand. A lot of Trap Cards have powerful effects that are balanced due to the fact of them needing a turn to be activated, this removes the downside. Sets up the [[Dark Scorpion/Makyura OTK|loop OTK.]]
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| When sent to the Graveyard from anywhere, by any means, this card allows for Traps to be activated from the hand for the rest of the turn. A lot of Trap Cards have powerful effects that are balanced due to the fact of them needing a turn to be activated; this card removes the downside. Being an effect that doesn't activate, it bypasses a lot of negation options. Sets up OTKs and FTKs which would be impossible otherwise, such as the [[Dark Scorpion/Makyura OTK]].
 
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| [[Master Peace, the True Dracoslaying King]]
 
| [[Master Peace, the True Dracoslaying King]]
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| [[Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom]]
 
| [[Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom]]
| Easily Summonable by [[Contact Fusion]] in Pendulum Decks. Its effect to gain the effects of a monster in the Graveyard allows it to gain the effect of [[Lyrilusc - Independent Nightingale]], which until the End Phase allows it to gain 4000 ATK (for a total of 6800), makes it unaffected by any other card effects, and enables it to inflict 4000 points of damage to your opponent once per turn, guaranteeing an OTK if you can Summon two. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
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| Easily Summonable by [[Contact Fusion]] in Pendulum Decks. Its effect to gain the effects of a monster in the Graveyard allows it to gain the effect of [[Lyrilusc - Independent Nightingale]], which until the End Phase allows it to gain 4000 ATK (for a total of 6800), makes it unaffected by any other card effects, and enables it to inflict 4000 points of damage to your opponent once per turn. This guarantees an OTK if you can bring out 2, which is trivial in Pendulum Magician builds. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
 
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| [[Tellarknight Ptolemaeus|<font color="#99CCFF">Tellarknight Ptolemaeus</font>]]
 
| [[Tellarknight Ptolemaeus|<font color="#99CCFF">Tellarknight Ptolemaeus</font>]]
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| [[The Tyrant Neptune]]
 
| [[The Tyrant Neptune]]
 
| High-Level monster with an effect similar to Phantom of Chaos (now Unlimited; see below). Was Forbidden because of an OTK with "[[Lyrilusc - Independent Nightingale]]" (which is easily Summoned by "Instant Fusion"), where you copy that card's effect with this card, which gives it 6000 ATK (5000 with its effect + 1000 from "Nightingale" itself), makes it unaffected by any other card effects, and enables it to inflict 5000 points of damage to your opponent once per turn, guaranteeing an OTK if it survives your opponent's turn.  Differently from most other effect-copying monsters, it is permanent, making "Neptune" extremely difficult to remove. Nothing that [[Crystal Wing Synchro Dragon]] or [[Kaiju|Kaijus]] can't handle, but it's still terrifying to go up against otherwise. Can also be searched by [[King of the Feral Imps]].
 
| High-Level monster with an effect similar to Phantom of Chaos (now Unlimited; see below). Was Forbidden because of an OTK with "[[Lyrilusc - Independent Nightingale]]" (which is easily Summoned by "Instant Fusion"), where you copy that card's effect with this card, which gives it 6000 ATK (5000 with its effect + 1000 from "Nightingale" itself), makes it unaffected by any other card effects, and enables it to inflict 5000 points of damage to your opponent once per turn, guaranteeing an OTK if it survives your opponent's turn.  Differently from most other effect-copying monsters, it is permanent, making "Neptune" extremely difficult to remove. Nothing that [[Crystal Wing Synchro Dragon]] or [[Kaiju|Kaijus]] can't handle, but it's still terrifying to go up against otherwise. Can also be searched by [[King of the Feral Imps]].
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| [[Toon Cannon Soldier]]
 
| [[Cannon Soldier]] (also Forbidden in the OCG) with a cartoon skin. There's no disadvantage to using this over the classic flavour (except the classic Toon baggage, but you're not running [[Toon World]] or attacking anyway if you're running burn FTK), so there was no sense in banning that but keeping this alive. This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
 
 
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| [[Tribe-Infecting Virus]]
 
| [[Tribe-Infecting Virus]]
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| [[Giant Trunade]]
 
| [[Giant Trunade]]
| Clears back field and prepares for OTK. Harder to stop than [[Heavy Storm]] (Which is also Forbidden) because it doesn't destroy. Mainly banned for it being able to recycle and reuse Spell/Trap Cards with effects that can only be used a limited amount of times while they are on the field. It's notable that effects that consistently bounce your own Spell/Traps are very rare due to this. [[Localized Trunade]] was designed to be a fair version of this card.
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| Clears back field and prepares for OTK. Harder to stop than [[Heavy Storm]] (Which is also Forbidden) because it doesn't destroy. Mainly banned for it being able to recycle and reuse Spell/Trap Cards with effects that can only be used a limited amount of times while they are on the field. It's notable that effects that consistently bounce your own Spell/Traps are very rare due to this. [[Hey, Trunade!]] was designed to be a fair version of this card.
 
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| [[Graceful Charity]]
 
| [[Graceful Charity]]
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| [[Firewall Dragon|<font color="#99CCFF">Firewall Dragon</font>]]
 
| [[Firewall Dragon|<font color="#99CCFF">Firewall Dragon</font>]]
| <span style="color: white">Its effect bounces both your cards and your opponent's, removing their defenses while allowing you to recycle on-Summon effects that aren't a hard once-per-turn including [[Grinder Golem|<font color="#99CCFF">Grinder Golem</font>]] (also Limited in the TCG), or itself when used in multiples. Also allows you to recycle hand traps from the Graveyard.</span>
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| <span style="color: white">Its effect bounces both your cards and your opponent's, removing their defenses while allowing you to recycle on-Summon effects that aren't a hard once-per-turn including [[Grinder Golem|<font color="#99CCFF">Grinder Golem</font>]] (also Limited in the TCG), or itself when used in multiples. Also allows you to recycle hand traps from the Graveyard. Naturally able to start a plethora of OTKs and FTKs, and is the sole reason why several cards are on the list.</span>
 
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| [[Gem-Knight Master Diamond]]
 
| [[Gem-Knight Master Diamond]]
| Powerful Fusion Monster in [[Gem-Knight]] OTK. Its effect to gain the burn effect of [[Gem-Knight Lady Lapislazuli]] allowed the Deck to OTK. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
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| Can copy the effects of other Gem-Knight monsters, most importantly [[Gem-Knight Lady Lapis Lazuli]] to create a burn FTK. After the release of [[Gem-Knight Phantom Quartz]], an FTK combo could be started with just [[Brilliant Fusion]] and any Gem-Knight monster in the starting hand. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
 
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| [[Genex Ally Birdman]]
 
| [[Genex Ally Birdman]]
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| [[Scapegoat]]
 
| [[Scapegoat]]
| Originally placed on the list as it was an effective stall tool in the early competitive game, but the rise of widespread [[piercing]] damage limited that utility. Was part of the [[Goat Control]] Deck, but most of the key cards of that Deck are either Limited or Forbidden. Allows for easy Synchro Summons and ''especially'' Link Summons, where it can produce a [[Firewall Dragon]] (Limited) from just 1 card.
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| Originally placed on the list as it was an effective stall tool in the early competitive game, but the rise of widespread [[piercing]] damage limited that utility. Was part of the [[Goat Control]] Deck, but now [[Metamorphosis]] has been forbidden. Allows for easy Synchro Summons and ''especially'' Link Summons, where it can produce a [[Firewall Dragon]] (Limited) from just 1 card.
 
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| [[Sky Striker Mecha - Widow Anchor]]
 
| [[Sky Striker Mecha - Widow Anchor]]

Revision as of 19:28, 3 November 2018


List

Due to an issue with displaying the list from another page, I have moved the list to the main page, and all discussion will now have to take place in the current discussion page (see below). Thank you for your understanding. --VictoryViperXX03

In case someone somehow missed it. Click "Show" on the right side of the bar.
This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

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