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Bug update

The archetype navboxes still don't seem to be working right. I thought all of that was fixed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:47, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Guess those Admins are little lazy. --FredCat 23:49, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
I certainly am, but I can't speak for the other admins... ;) Cheesedude, can you provide links to archetype navboxes that are still not displaying correctly, and specify how they should be displaying? Without examples and knowing exactly what's wrong, I may not be able to fix them. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:24, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
See Yokai Monster It's displaying members that appears in the TCG and support cards from the manga. Manga-only monsters are not displaying for whatever reason. Also, the navbox at Blackwing is missing massive amounts of cards in all three subsections. I don't know of any others off-hand, but I'm sure there are some. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I've tried applying some fixes to {{ArchetypeNavbox}} and assorted concepts, but SMW's behavior seems to have changed in several ways in the most recent update, and I was never really familiar with it in the first place. If my changes don't fix the missing cards, you'll probably have to ask Deltaneos to have a look. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:52, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I hate to say this, but whatever you did appears to have removed the manga support cards from the Yokai Monster navbox. I'll contact Deltaneos, then. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Heh, I have to admit, that's awesome. =D Here's hoping Delt can fix/has fixed it. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:14, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Apparently the problem is that redirects are no longer accepted for the navboxes. Since some archetype pages were moved, this mucked it up. I actually sort of forgot about moving the rest of the archetype pages, but now I'm glad I did, since there's cleanup to be done, which would be easier with a bot's help *hinthint* Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:46, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm horribly inconsistent in running my bot. ;) The problem is, I add rules for it to fix issues as I come across them, and I have the problem of trying to add rules that are beyond my capabilities at the time, so I stop with the intention to revisit them later, and it never happens. The most recent thing responsible for this is an attempt to auto-add the animanga appearances templates; I suspect there's a bug in AWB's regex handling but I'm dragging my feet about reporting/asking about it. =D
In any case, if you give me a list, I can make a bot run specifically to update archetypes (and the more I can do at once, the better *hinthint* ). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:15, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Update list

The following need to be changed from their plural forms. For archetype, archsupport and archrelated, where applicable.

  • There may be some pages that are still using "Machine Emperor", "Machine Emperors", "Meklords", "Machine Imperial Soldier" and "Machine Imperial Soldiers". The first three should now be "Meklord" and the last two should be "Meklord Army".
  • There's also a possibility that there are some pages still using OCG archetype names before the TCG names were confirmed. "Inverz" should be "Steelswarm", "Tech Genus" should be "T.G.", "Rituas"/"Ritua" should be "Gishki" and "Vairon"/Vairons" should be "Vylon". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:14, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
All right, I'll try to get started on this later today; in the meantime, list any others you think of/come across/rename. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
You got it. I should time to move some more pages tomorrow, assuming we do want go through with moving the rest of the pages. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:32, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
It's been several months now since this was started, and (as far as I know) not one person has posted a comment saying they think it shouldn't happen, much less providing any sort of argument as to why they might think that way. The people who were reverting the moves probably just didn't understand why the pages were being renamed. I'd say, start up again. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
When I said "Admin", I don't referring to Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia's Admins, I am referring to one who was such to improve and flipping the wikia (general) sites. They are little lazy for not complete this part. --FredCat 18:03, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Aah, I see. A better term for Wikia employees would probably be "sysadmin" or "staff". ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:12, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yup, that's them. --FredCat 18:21, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it's time to take out the cheese out of his skull... He just took his name out of this article like a foolish! *shake my head in pitiful* --FredCat 01:18, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Ehh, maybe he just needs a bit of sleep... ;) It takes a lot of skill to be able to edit wikis when you're dead-tired and not make huge mistakes (of course, if Cheesedude *wasn't* tired, then I have no idea what caused him to slip up like that) (and yeah, I'm speaking from personal experience here). =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, let's go with that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:07, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
^@^ 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:46, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
*had some experience with Pokemon just now* Machoke, Sleep Powder!
*Cheesedude is now sleep*
It's Super Effective!--FredCat 16:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Heh. I hated Zubats myself... The little bastards, always using "Confusion"... =P 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
FredCat, I'm pretty damn sure Machoke can't learn Sleep Powder. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Then explain this; http://www.halolz.com/2010/11/28/machoke-used-pound/ (Had to put on nowiki to prevent the click-able) --FredCat 12:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Someone decided to redirect "Masked Hero" to "Masked Hero". Now I cannot find the actual page content in the edit history anywhere. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:18, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Special:Undelete/Masked_Hero is it somewhere there? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:21, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Got it, thanks Falzar. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:24, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Done. All pages that are still at plurals are because their singular forms have actual pages, or because I thought the plural form made more sense in that case (Six Attributes, for example]]). Hopefully I didn't miss any. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:57, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about those screw-ups and fixing the "Valkyrie" page. I did the same thing at "XX-Saber", but I think I fixed it. Not really sure what I did that caused that. Seems I somehow moved a page to the same name multiple times. <_< Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:17, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
It's possible you inadvertently double-clicked the "Rename page" button on the move page. I do that every once in a while with the "Publish"/"Save changes" button on edit screens, and thus edit-conflict myself. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:22, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blank kanji parameter tracking?

Is there a way to create a tracking category for card pages that have a "kanji" parameter that is blank? There are several pages like that I created, and was unable to find the kanji anywhere. I didn't feel like sitting there and finding each individual character from another card page, so I left them blank. I'd like to be able to request that someone add the kanji in, but I'd like to do it all at once. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's easy enough to do. I've actually been thinking for a while about adding a tracking category for cards that don't have any Japanese name given at all; I think we'd be best with tracking categories for no Japanese name, blank "kanji", "kana", "jpname", and "phon" parameters, and a Japanese name but no romaji name (romaji name without Japanese name should be covered by the first one, I think). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:03, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
In addition to the name, can we have a tracking category for "japlore" as well? Blackwings0605 (talk) 06:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, definitely; that's one thing I've been intending to do for quite some time. I've never liked the parameter name, and intend to replace all instances of it with "jplore" (if no one beats me to it) and then remove it from {{CardTable2}}. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:23, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yes. "jplore" is definitely make more sense than the "japlore". Blackwings0605 (talk) 07:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
That, and I've never liked the abbreviation "jap" for "Japan[ese]", considering it was an (albeit mild) derogatory term used during WWII (AFAIK; that's how it's always seemed to me, at least). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:45, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Another tracking parameter question

Would it be possible to create one that lists pages that use any of the anime/manga appearances templates, but that do not have an associated Card Appearances page? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:37, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Not currently (it is possible, but would first require a modification to {{Card table anime and manga appearances}}). On the other hand, it *would* be trivial to do the same check for the anime/manga appearances parameters, though. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:34, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Would changing the template mean having to change it on every page again? As for the parameters themselves, that doesn't particularly help me, to be honest. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:57, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
No, it would just be adding an invisible bit to the output (some class name or something; I'll have to do a bit of thinking on what the best thing to add would be) that {{CardTable2}} can then check for. I'll probably do this anyways, just so we can track pages with appearances parameters that don't use the templates yet. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:01, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Awesome. Let me know when you get around to it. No rush, though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:06, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Weird question

Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Episode 046 is using slanted quotations. I've tried copying the text and using find and replace in Word, Wordpad and Notepad. None of them work. Know of any way to get them to use regular quotations without changing each one individually? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Notepad's Find-and-Replace function works fine for me on Windows 7... Maybe it has issues with extended Unicode on earlier MS systems?
You should be able to use Notepad++ to do the replaces if nothing else works for you. If you know how to use regexes and are willing to try that route, the opening curly double-quote can be matched via \u201c, and the closing one via \u201d (you can match the curly single quotes via \u2018 and \u2019). I will add all these replaces to the rules on my bot, so that whenever I run it again it'll correct that stuff. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:53, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

5D's manga archetypes

Take a look at the lores for "Great Gallant Demonic Angel, Rosalian" and "Prayer to the Evil Spirits". It seems we have some undocumented archetypes here. I'm going to see if I can locate some cards images for them tomorrow to help clarify. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:31, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, you may be right! English Shonen Jump is only up to chapter 11, so I can't really help much there... =( 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I've not been able to locate any images at all of either card. Maybe we can ask III or Blackwings if they have the jplore for them? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:46, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
It wouldn't hurt to try... =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:49, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Looking through "Rosalien"'s history, I came across "The Rose Bell of Revelation", with a nice, crisp(ish) Japanese card image complete with lore; this should cover our needs for "Queen Angel" and "Fallen Angel", but we still need an image of "Prayer" for the "Angel" parent group. We've also got to worry about how to disambiguate "Fallen Angel" from "Darklord", since apparently "Darklord"'s Japanese name translates to "Fallen Angel" as well (and Fallen Angel currently redirects to it). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:08, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Nice. We should just be able to use "Fallen Angel" as a page name and add disambiguation text for "Darklord" at the top. It's also highly likely that the English manga will change the name altogether, in which case, we can make "Fallen Angel" a disambiguation page for both archetypes. Just to be sure, the "Rose Bell" card doesn't have the text that means "Darklord" on it, right? They are separate archetypes? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:12, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking; I just like making stuff complicated. =D
Right, "Rose Bell" has "魔天使" (plus some furigana I can't read reliably enough to transcribe), and "Darklord" is "堕（だ）天（てん）使（し）", though the last two kanji are identical (they're also the same for "Queen Angel", interestingly enough, leading me to believe that's what "Angel" will turn out to use on "Prayer"). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:18, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I should have known.
Ok then. And yeah, it sounds like that it what it will use. Curious to see what else will end up being part of that archetype, intentionally or not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:20, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
A lot, probably, "天使" seems to be the most common Japanese translation for "angel". I love unintentionally generic archetypes... =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:34, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
That's what I feared. This should be interesting though. I think the funniest unintentional member I've seen so far is "Thought Ruler Archfiend", which is technically in the "Sphere" archetype. Or maybe "The Legendary Fisherman" in "Shaman". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Ooh, ooh, there's also "Elemental HERO Necroid Shaman" in "Roid". =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:47, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

(outdent) So, "Rose Bell" appears in chapter 12, which is, conveniently enough, the chapter that should be in the next issue of SJ. Would you have a problem with waiting until it's released and we can see what the English names are going to be before actually getting to work creating all this stuff, Cheesedude? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:08, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Of course not. There is no deadline, after all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:15, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
Cool. So now, we play... the waiting game. *looks menacingly past steepled fingers* =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:34, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
"Rosalin" is being released in Premium Pack 14 (among many other cards I assumed would never see the light of the day). They'll likely change the effect, but we'll see. It may help solve our problems. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:25, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Very cool, this is certainly unexpected. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes these cards to make it to the TCG. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:39, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

So, Shonen Jump just got here (...yesterday; I've been reading Inheritance), and it seems the translators went with a cop-out: "Rose Bell"'s English lore reads "From your Deck, add either Queen Angel of Roses or Fallen Angel of Roses to your hand." Still, at least this confirms the English archetype names.

I don't really have the time to update the other cards from chapter 12; all of them look to be named correctly except for "Blessed Cards of Grass", which should be "Cards from the Blessed Grass", and "Magic Elf Burgundy", which should be "Burgundy the Magic Elf". 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:03, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, come on. Alright then. Well then, yeah, at least we have the English names.
I'll get to it later if I have time before you. So they didn't change the name of "Magic Elf Elite Claret" to match? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:24, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
I may get to it today myself, I think I've got a good chunk of the day free.
Elite Claret is shown in chapter 13, not 12. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:30, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
Fusion Monsters count as archsupport? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:58, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
Most Fusion Monsters I've bothered to look at have been tagged as support for their Fusion Materials. As I recall, there has been some dissatisfaction expressed over that, but I can't remember for sure whether we agreed not to do that any more (I'm wanting to say we didn't though). I wouldn't be against changing to not tagging that, though (in which case, Rosarian should be changed to archrelated, I think). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:03, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
We probably didn't. Truthfully though, I've been removing them on-sight. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:07, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
All right, may as well treat that as current best practice. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:09, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Page Protection Code?

Is there any type of page protection template, that any normal user can use? Not counting the Archive Template. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:03, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

There shouldn't be one available. The archive one uses css to disable the edit button, it technically doesn't protect it.
Page protection requests can go in the admin noticeboard I suppose.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:30, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
Right, page protection is admin-only. There are ways to fake it with CSS and JS, but ultimately nothing short of actual page protection will stop a sufficiently determined individual from editing a page (and in some cases, at least, not even that will suffice, but that's another matter altogether ;) ). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:57, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
I see thanks. Not that I had any hope there would have been something like that, but never hurts to ask I suppose. Anyway, thanks! You guys are great help as always. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:43, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
No problem. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:54, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Funny typo

Not just say that Delta made his own typo, but you ever misspell that very word in the summary. Just for some chuckles and funny thing, no offense if it sound like insult or something. --FredCat 16:59, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't think I've ever made that particular typo, but I've certainly made more than my fair share of them (including, I'm sure, plenty of funny ones). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, Funny Magician... just keep your hat tricky as always ^_^ --FredCat 17:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
I sometimes use "tyop" and "speel" on purpose. *true story*
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:10, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Rouge angles of satin. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Falzar: every time you see "tyop" in an edit summary of mine, there's a 99.9% chance it's intentional (if it's the only word in the summary, or the edit consists solely or mainly of typo corrections, it's 100%). ;)
Cheesedude: I always wanted to be a rouge admin, but I don't think I've ever been red enough. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

New mover group

Wikia set up the "mover" user group got added a couple of hours ago. It wasn't easy to set up, so it's not unlikely that there could be a few problems and we should test for them.

I only requested the "mover" group, but I did link to this forum. They might have tried making the other two changes that you suggested there, or they might have just made mistakes that made it look that way. Looking at Special:ListGroupRights, the differences I see are:

  • Bureaucrats can add "mover", "patroller" and "bot".
  • Bureaucrats can remove "mover" and "patroller".
  • Bureaucrats can no longer remove "admin" or "bot".
  • Admins can add "mover", "rollback, "patroller".
  • Admins can remove "mover", "rollback, "patroller".

My comments:

  • Although that mentions patroller, that group doesn't seem to exist. It doesn't have its own section on Special:ListGroupRights and I don't see it on Special:UserRights/Example. But that right wasn't actually requested.
  • Admins and bureaucrats being able to add/remove mover is fine.
  • Admins being able to add rollback, I think is a plus, but that wasn't requested.
  • Bureaucrats being able to add bots I'd say is a plus, but that wasn't requested. I didn't notice bureaucrats were able to remove bots beforehand. I suppose losing that is a minus.
  • Bureaucrats not being able to remove admins, I'd say is a minus. It's something we'd hope isn't needed, but it's good to have it just in case.

Does Special:UserRights/Example do exactly what Special:ListGroupRights says admins should be able to use it for, apart from add/remove patrollers?

I guess the next thing to do is test the movers group on a dummy account. And compile any mistakes there with the unwanted changes mentioned above. The wanted but unrequested changes, I suppose we should let Wikia know about and see if we can get an okay before keeping them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 03:18, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, everything appears to be in order insofar as admins adding/removing rights is concerned (based solely on what appears on Special:UserRights, and without actually testing).
Should we just test the mover group on one of the bot accounts, since those are already set up?
Yeah, it'd be better to get confirmation that they're intended rather than just assuming they are and having them taken from us.
Would there be any problem with you posting a transcript of the email conversation? It's not really that important, but I'm a bit curious as to what was said. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
I guess one of the bots would be a better option since they're already autoconfirmed. I don't know if you can use the additional rights mover has without the basic "move", which non-autoconfirmed users don't have. (Although that would be interesting to check, in which case I have a User:Deltaneos=test left over from Forum:Chat help!.) We should maybe remove the bot flag since bot already has a few of the mover rights. VSTF can still remove bot flags. I don't think anyone would mind if I used that for testing this.
I don't see any problem with showing the email transcript for this particular request:

Could we get a custom user group called "mover", with the following rights: "movefile", "noratelimit" and "suppressredirect" on the Yu-Gi-Oh! wiki (http://yugioh.wikia.com)?

In Yu-Gi-Oh! almost everything is released in Japan first and gets renamed when released in English, rather than use a direct translation. Each card page has a few related pages and images, all of which need to be renamed whenever the card is renamed. When a new set with new cards is released in English, this can mean hundreds of page moves. A lot of non-administrator users are slowed down and unable to finish renaming something without these page move related rights.

We have a forum discussing this here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Some_new_usergroups

Thank you.

Hello Deltaneos,

Thanks for contacting Wikia. I have set up the user group "mover" this morning. Please keep in mind that these things are honestly a bit hard to set up, so it's entirely within the realms of possibility that it will need a few more tweaks to get just right. Please test the right out and make sure it does function the way you intended.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 14:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Which one shall we try with, then, yours or mine?
Yeah, that would be interesting to check, though I don't think we'd ever actually make use of it even if it does turn out to work. ;)
Aah, interesting. Who was it that replied? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:49, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
How about you try it with Dinobot1000 and I'll try it with Deltaneos=test? It was DaNASCAT who replied. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Actually it turns out Deltaneos=test is autoconfirmed. We can just test with that one. If you want to test yourself, I can still remove Dinobot's bot flag temporarily if you like. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Nah, I'm fine just using Deltaneos=test. We both still want to try granting and revoking the usergroup, though, to make sure everyone who should be able to do so, actually can do so, right?
I kinda figured that's who it was. =D
Have you asked yet about the stuff we got that you didn't ask for? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:28, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, we should both try granting/revoking. You can go ahead and be the first if you like. No, I haven't replied to his email yet. I was waiting until we test it first. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I've granted mover; do you want to try moving a file or something to make sure it works properly before I test revoking? Also, are we just testing mover, or should I test rollback as well? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:39, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Movefile, noratelimit and suppressredirect all work okay and I've no problem revoking or granting the right. Yeah, go ahead test revoking and adding/revoking rollback too. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:49, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Revoking mover and granting/revoking rollback all appear to work as intended. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:56, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
(Reset indent) Okay, next step is letting Wikia know about the things that need tweaking. Is this email draft okay?

Thanks very much for setting up the "mover" usergroup.

We've tested it for problems. Admins and bureaucrats have no problem adding and removing the group from accounts and a user with the "mover" rights is able to do everything that they should.

There were however a few unrequested changes to what groups admins and bureaucrats can change:
• http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights mentions a "patroller" group that admins and bureaucrats can add and remove. However that group doesn't seem to exist. A "patroller" group was mentioned in the forum I linked in the last email, but we didn't actually decide to request that one. Sorry if there was any confusion.
• Admins are now able to add and remove "rollback".
• Bureaucrats are now able to add "bot".
• Bureaucrats are no longer able to remove "bot" or "admin".

All of these changes were unrequested, so should probably be undone. Admins being able to add/remove "rollback" and bureaucrats being able to add "bot", I think are positive changes for this wiki, but since they weren't officially requested I can understand if we can't keep them.

Discussion about the change can be viewed at http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Dinoguy1000#New_mover_group if needed for whatever reason.

Thank you.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 18:17, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Looks okay; I've made a couple tweaks (including a link back to this discussion in the event Wikia staff would like more info on our side of things, though I'm not terribly satisfied with how it reads =/ ). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:26, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, sent. Sorry, I should have sent it hours ago. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:13, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Here's the reply:

Hey Deltaneos,

Yep, sorry, the group permissions for adding/removing groups are often the hardest to set up because usually it requires some knowledge about the group structure already plus an understanding of all the user groups.

If sysops +/- rollback and bureaucrats adding bots is within your community's best interest, I will gladly keep those rights. We have no issue with that happening. I have in the interim removed references to the 'patroller' group. That was part of the default value of the variable that does not apply obviously for YuGiOh.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 19:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, glad to know they're letting us keep that stuff. =D *goes off to give Golden Key mover rights* 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:29, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I've started a forum to discuss what to do next: Forum:User groups and requests. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:31, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Help with my wikia?

Please can you help me edit my wikia ----> http://yugiohpedia.wikia.com —This unsigned comment was made by Xicor12 (talk • contribs) 00:25, March 7, 2012

Hello Xicor12, unfortunately I am not looking to get involved on any other wikis at this time - I am already active at between two and four (depending how I count) and the main maintainer at one other, so I really don't have time for any other wikis at this time.
If, however, you have something specific you need help with, I'd be more than happy to help. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
My favorite part of that wikia is how it's just a copy and paste of our wikia. >_> --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that as well...Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Except that we can comment on those stuffs over there instead. --FredCat 01:34, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

RE: ISO 639 for the Greek name parameter?

Yea, I think we should change it to "elname". If so then what about if we make a user-bot to do the job of changing the parameter "grname" to "elname"? ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 18:24, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Six Samurai

Hey Dinoguy. I've just combed through The Six Samurai Deck, and there is basically nothing worth integrating into the main article. Highlights on the page include a suggestion to use "Elemental Burst". Otherwise it's saying everything the "Six Samurai" page is, but with less gooder wording. Can I just turn the thing into a redirect? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds fine to me. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:01, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Odd image problem

Very odd problem here. When I attempted to move File:UratraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png to File:UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png. I get the following message: "Unable to write to file "/images/y/yugioh/images/5/55/UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png": file exists."
But the file doesn't exist. I've never encountered this error before and I've moved more card images in the past than I can count. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:56, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110803061535/yugioh/images/5/55/UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png does exist; it looks like a thumbnail version of UratraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png (though I have no idea why it should exist when there is no image with the name "UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png" uploaded). This is probably something for Special:Contact. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:33, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Similar stuff happened to me before. Bypassed it by creating random stuff at the page (in this case UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png), then delete it and then move. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:38, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Good to know; thanks for the tip. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:39, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Ha, didn't work. Might have been for a different error, but I'm sure I've seen that error message before. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Ok fixed, same steps, but by uploading an image to the file name instead of the creating page with random stuff. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:53, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Weird... There appears to be some residual glitchiness around the old filename, too (at least for me); it still has the category. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:01, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Payment

http://www.crazycheapcostumes.com/files/productsimages/BS_P/57274.jpg

I threw in extras because you're awesome. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:18, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sweet! =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:23, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

And now:

But on an un-mystery box related note, I'm having an issue similar issue to Cheesedude's, I think. I was going to move File:Shun.jpg to File:John.jpg, but that was already taken. So I moved what was at John.jpg to File:Jean.jpg. I then accidentally moved Shun.jpg to File:Johnn.jpg, but I can't move it to John.jpg. It says it's already taken. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:00, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Is it a cookie? =D
I don't think all the bugs related to moving files around have been worked out of MediaWiki quite yet; I'd be willing to bet renaming a file and then renaming another file to the first file's original name is one case. In this case, it's because File:John.jpg still showed as having the image history, so MediaWiki prevented you from moving File:Shun.jpg/File:Johnn.jpg over it. I went ahead and did so, deleting the history MediaWiki claimed was still there, and it seems to be fine. (Short answer: don't feel bad, this required an admin to fix ;) ) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:27, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
Looks like there are still limits to my phenomenal cosmic power, other than the itty bitty living space.
I just noticed on the Masked HERO page, after the list of HERO Cards there's some vandalism that I can't get to. I'm sure you'll know where to go to remove it. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 02:45, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not seeing anything myself; is it still there for you? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:02, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
It was the words "Da fuck?", and was still there until a few minutes ago when I null edited. I screen capped it, will upload a picture when I get home. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
http://imgur.com/eHyS4 was what I was seeing there, for the record. Glad I had the fortitude to screencap before trying the null edit.--Golden Key (talk • contribs) 22:14, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
All right, that was an edit to {{HERO}} which was reverted shortly after by PoirotH. There's a chance some of the pages that transclude it haven't had their caches updated yet; if you come across any others, a null edit should fix them. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:57, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Archive

So, I had originally thought that my laptop freezing whenever I tried to view your user talk page was because of how long it had been since you last archived it. Apparently not, since it just happened again. So I guess my laptop just really hates this page then. It really only happens with this page. The rest of the wiki is fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:15, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Happened to me before as well, but on the page Ally of Justice Catastor. Every time I open it, it would completely lag. Not sure how it stopped doing it though. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:03, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
What browsers/OSes are you guys using? Does the issue happen if you try a different browser? Does anything interesting appear in your Javascript error console? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:48, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
About a year ago, Firefox, don't think I checked if it lagged on another browser, I think clearing the cache did not fix it, didn't check the error console either. I'll mention it if it ever happens again.
Guess Cheesedude will have to be the one to fill it in. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:17, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Over how long a period did the lagging happen for you before it finally stopped? Do you remember if there was some change on your computer around the time it stopped (e.g. an update for your OS or for Firefox)? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:37, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
I'm also using Firefox. It doesn't always happen either. Just tried it on IE, but it was fine. Nothing that I can see on Javascript either. Sometimes there were updates going on, but not every time it lags either. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:44, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Does it also happen on the Wikia skin? How about if you edit the whole page and preview? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:07, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Just tried both, and no for both, though again, it doesn't always happen either. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:33, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

SMW Negating Nomi

Remember the problem where the ! negation in SMW doesn't work as it should in logic? I don't think I've suggested this solution, but it seems somewhat simple.
In Template:CardTable2, if |summonN does not contain "Nomi" or "Cannot Special Summon", it will automatically add a "Can Special Summon" (or another name) group. That should allow us to get the lists we want easily, without having to do this, or for most lists, include those and add a note to the top saying it cannot summon those. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:03, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Right, it's the same basic premise as No Entry, but it does require a full understanding of the problem domain, to make sure the value doesn't get added in any circumstances that it shouldn't (in the case of "Chaos-End Master", I don't understand what about its effect necessitates the convoluted query, meaning I don't fully understand the problem domain ;) ). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:53, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Almost the same. This one would allow entries of other things, as long as it isn't those two as well.
Currently searching for [[Summoning::!Nomi]] will still include Arcanite Magician/Assault Mode (which Chaos-End Master cannot Summon) because it contains Cannot Normal Summon/Cannot Set/Nomi/Special Summons from your Graveyard (things other than Nomi, this is how SMW's ! apparently works)
There is one small problem to this though. That would be Semi-Nomi; they can basically be Special Summoned from the Graveyard/Banished Zone, but cannot be Special Summoned from the Deck via other cards. To solve that, the same thing can be done once more, so if it does not contain "Nomi" or "Semi-Nomi" or "Cannot Special Summon", it will be auto added to "Can always Special Summon".
So in the end, to create a list for Decoy Dragon, it would then simply be {{#ask: [[Class 1::Official]] [[Type::Dragon]] [[Level::>7]] [[Summoning::Can Special Summon]] }} and a list for Chaos-End Master would be {{#ask: [[Class 1::Official]] [[ATK::≤1600]] [[Level::≥5]] [[Card Type::Normal Monster||Effect Monster]] [[Summoning::Can always Special Summon]] }}
So if you have: (I'll use shorthand instead of summon1, summon 2, etc.)
|summonN = (No Entry) and it will be auto added to "Can Special Summon" and "Can always Special Summon".
|summonN = Cannot Set and it will be auto added to "Can Special Summon" and "Can always Special Summon".
|summonN = Semi-Nomi, Cannot Set and it will be auto added to "Can Special Summon".
but |summonN = Cannot Normal Summon/Cannot Set/Nomi or |summonN = Cannot Set/Cannot Special Summon both will not be auto added to "Can Special Summon" nor "Can always Special Summon".
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:17, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
All right, I think part of my confusion arises from the names of the values; it would make more sense if they were "Can be Special Summoned", "Cannot be Set", etc. (if I'm understanding how they're used correctly, at least). Basically, the queries have to filter out monsters whose own effects prevent them from being Special Summoned, right? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:34, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
The names I used follow how the current pages are done. Yes, I agree that those names (... be ...) are better.
Yes, I think that's it. So:
"Can always be Special Summoned" = monsters that don't have restrictions on Special Summoning at all.
"Can be Special Summoned" = monsters that are in "Can always be Special Summoned" and also Semi-Nomi.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:18, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Should we go ahead and switch the names then?
So what does this make the exact change you're requesting? What you posted above, or is there any more to it? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:45, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Overall, two changes. First one is the one I've initially suggested for the Card Table. 2nd one is your suggestion on changing the names of those pages.
1) If all |summonN do not contain "Nomi" or "Cannot be Special Summoned". Add [[Summoning::Can be Special Summoned]].
If all |summonN do not contain "Nomi" or "Semi-Nomi" or "Cannot be Special Summoned". Add [[Summoning::Can always be Special Summoned]].
2) If you think we don't need to have a forum discussion, move "Cannot Special Summon", "Cannot Set", etc. to "Cannot be Special Summoned", "Cannot be Set", etc.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:00, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Should this apply only to Monster Cards, or is it fine for Spells and Traps to get tagged too?
I don't see why we should need a forum discussion; this shouldn't be much different from when I moved all the "Removed from play" pages to "Banished" a while back. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:19, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Monsters only, just like how Nomi is monsters only (though Nomi is manually added, so I didn't notice that Summoning applies for Spells/Traps as well). If it's necessary, you can also exclude Tokens, but that can be easily be done through SMW instead.
Sure, I also have no reason to not move them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:23, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Edit made, let me know if something needs fixed.
Updating the terms is just a matter of moving the pages and updating their queries (and then updating card pages over time/with a bot run). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:34, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I'll move them after the edits seem to work perfectly.
Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Rituals are all Semi-Nomi by default; the exception is if the card says they are Nomi. Excluding Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Rituals in "Can always be Special Summoned" should fix the problem.
Aitsu doesn't seem to be added to either lists when it is null-edited. It should go on both lists.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:08, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
All right, so how exactly should they all be handled in this case? As though they had a summonN parameter set to "Semi-Nomi"?
I know exactly how to fix the issue with Aitsu (the problem affects all monsters without any summonN parameter), but I'm not going to fix it until I also address Fusion et al. monsters. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:44, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
If all |summonN do not contain "Nomi", and it is a Fusion/Ritual/Synchro/Xyz, then it is Semi-Nomi. Should work. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:50, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
All right, I think it's all working properly now; let me know if I've managed to bungle it all up. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:08, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Yay, they seem to work perfectly now. Thanks.
I'll go around using the bot to null edit for the monsters listed on other lists, and update the lists later. Give it a while in case someone spots an error that I missed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:26, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
For some reason, cards like Boo Koo and The Bewitching Phantom Thief aren't going into the lists. I don't see why though. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:09, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well, this has me completely stumped. I can't see anything in the code that should prevent either of those pages from receiving the properties, and indeed, copying the relevant code directly onto the pages and previewing results in the expected behavior. Maybe Delt can help us out? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:32, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Since they should all be Normal Monsters, what happens if we just add all Normal Monsters to those 2 lists? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:38, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
It should work, though I don't know for sure. It should also be unnecessary, though; Normal Monsters should be among the monsters added to those two groups simply by virtue of not being Tokens or Fusion/Ritual/Synchro/Xyz Monsters. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:01, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
A clue?
Removing the line |archetype1 = Spiders from Hunter Spider, removes Can be Special Summoned +, and Can always be Special Summoned + from the factbox
Adding the line |archetype1 = Spiders to Boo Koo, adds Can be Special Summoned +, and Can always be Special Summoned + from the factbox
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:34, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Oh crap, now I know what's going on (the archetype1 behavior isn't directly related, but it was a clue): the "Summoning Categories" box (along with the "Support", "Anti-Support", "Stat Change", etc. boxes) are all contained in a single {{CardTable2/row}}. To allow me to not be as stringent with the code for the individual boxes, this template call has its own "check" parameter, consisting of the first parameter from each card search category. This means that if a card doesn't have any such search categories (as will be the case for many Normal Monsters), the entire row isn't output, which works fine - unless one of the categories has a "checkfail" behavior that needs to apply to all cards, as we have here.
Unfortunately, though, there isn't a straightforward solution that I can see (other than duplicating the "checkfail" in the outer /row, which has its own issues); removing the "check" from the /row means that, in cases where a card doesn't have any search categories but still gets properties or something from a "checkfail", the /row is still rendered in the template, but without any content other than the "Card Search Categories" header. I'll go ahead and use the duplication fix for now, but it's definitely a hack and I'll be thinking of possible ways we might be able to get rid of it. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:25, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
All right, "Boo Koo" and "The Bewitching Phantom Thief" (along with, I'm sure, a whole slew of other Normal Monsters) are fixed now. As always, let me know if you spot any cock-ups. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:34, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
That was more complex than I thought it would be. Next bug.
It was working fine before, but Semi-Nomi monsters (e.g. Card Breaker, Chaos Sorcerer) don't appear as Summoning::Can be Special Summoned any more.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:11, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
That was easy. C'mon, what else ya got? =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:09, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
It should work perfectly now, according to (all Card Tips pages that currently use the searches && its card has the phrase "Special Summon" in its lore).
The only error was with Blackwing - Blizzard the Far North but that was because "Cannot Special Summon" was not on the page. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:19, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, let me know if there's anything else you need help with or would like implemented. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:34, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Deck help

Hi I'm fairly new to this i was wondering if you would like to glance at the decks I have listed on my web page and if you have any advice on them? K Chester 18:58, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hi K Chester, unfortunately I'm really not the person to ask when it comes to decks. I'd instead recommend that you ask in the Deck Help forum. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:16, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Evigishki

Evigiski is a sub-archtype of Gishki, as Neo Flamvell is a sub archetype Flamvell, as XX-Saber is a sub-archetype of X-Saber, as The Fabled is a sub-archetype of Fabled, as Genex Ally and R-Genex are sub-archetypes of Genex, so on and so forth. Gishki support supports Evigishkis, they even contain the same Japanese word "Ritua". --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:43, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Gishki support cards only support Gishki cards, they don't support Evigishki cards. The reason Evigishkis are supported by Gishki support cards is because Evigishkis are also Gishkis. This is true for every other case where an archetype has a sub-series, like the other examples you listed. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:47, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Sir, I think you just contradicted yourself. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
No, I didn't. Read the lore of a Gishki support card. Do you see "Evigishki" anywhere there?
I've put a lot of thought into just about every aspect related to archetypes and series you might care about over the past few months, and this is one thing I've thought particularly about. If a Gishki support card were to be considered an Evigishki support card as well, we would also have to treat it as support for every individual Gishki card.
Archetypes are a game mechanic bolted onto the game long after the basic framework was laid out, and series are a mostly in-house invention to describe groups of cards that aren't archetypes, but are clearly related to each other. In addition, archetypes still don't have a clear, official definition - in official materials, the word "archetype" has been used to describe everything from what we use it for, to Deck types, and then some; the definition we use is very much an in-house construction based on how archetype support cards are known to work. As a result, there are a lot of non-obvious details, and at first glance, some of these details may seem to be self-contradictory - like the idea that a support card supports an archetype but not any sub-archetypes or sub-series. Contradictory though it may sound, it does make sense if you properly understand how our definitions of archetypes and archetype support work (it doesn't help at all, though, that said definition is currently scattered across a number of discussions, spread over a handful of forum threads and user talk pages). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:07, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Dinoguy, calm down please. Evigishki is part of the Gishki archetype as the Japanese name contains "リチュア". Gishki support cards don't need to say "Evigishki" because Gishki is in their name. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:11, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
There was a forum discussion for this somewhere. I think it was concluded the way Dinoguy has said. IIRC, it was about HERO. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:15, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Now I'm wondering if either of you understands what I'm trying to point out. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:18, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
It confused me when it was concluded like that as well at first, but one of the reasons is that if we use SMW to search for Gishki Support (and do not support Evigishki), it won't work. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:31, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
But, this isn't about SMW or any of that. I was simply just putting on the Evigishki page that Evigishkis are a sub-archetype of Gishki. Then, this all happened. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:37, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
I am calm. Please don't suggest I'm losing my temper; it's not true and only serves to distract from the topic of discussion.
Gishki support cards specifically require cards with the string "リチュア" in their Japanese name. This means they explicitly support the Gishki archetype. They do not, however, mention anything about cards with "イビリチュア" in their Japanese name, meaning support for the Evigishki archetype is only implicit, because "イビリチュア" just happens to contain "リチュア" (in most cases, this is intentional, but there are cases where the only logical conclusion is that it's an accident (that is, when an archetype gained a support card, no one was thinking that sub-archetypes would also be supported by that card); the most obvious is, perhaps, Knight and Gem-Knight). Cheesedude and I decided some time ago that, in cases such as this, archsupport cards should not be tagged as also being archsupport for sub-archetypes or sub-series; this discussion is basically addressing the reverse of that.
I understand exactly what you're trying to argue: you see no functional distinction for saying a Gishki support card supports Gishki cards, and that it supports Evigishki cards, and that therefore, the Evigishki archetype is supported by the Gishki support card. You are absolutely, 100% correct in this conclusion, and without a very deep understanding of the various repercussions caused by this interpretation, it is the only reasonable conclusion. I have, however, spent months thinking about this and other issues revolving around archetypes and archsupport, to the point that I'm likely among the most knowledgeable people in existence for how archetypes work. You are more than entitled to ask me to explain myself (in many cases, this forces me to reexamine the issue, which may let me better understand it myself, or even cause me to realize that my own thinking on it is flawed), but when I have explained my reasoning as clearly and succinctly as I can, it no longer does any good to continue challenging me with the same arguments and logic. In this case, I have explained my logic clearly and succinctly; the problem is that the nuances here are subtle enough to be completely missed unless you're willing to take the time to think about them, and it doesn't seem like you are. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:41, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, but I'm not asking you to go back to all of the archetype support cards and put that they support sub-archetypes, that would be redundant. I put "sub-archetype" on the Evigishki page so that it would match pages like Neo Flamvell, XX-Saber, and The Fabled. I was by no means trying to undermine the months of work you did. You are over-thinking my edit. I take full responsibility for the misunderstanding I created. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:48, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
All right, after your most recent reply to Falzar, I thought that was your hang-up, but I wasn't sure.
The phrases "sub-series" and "sub-archetype", as we use them (e.g. X is a sub-series of Y), mean that X is a series/archetype, and it is contained within Y (which is always an archetype itself; series are not denoted by some string in their Japanese names and therefore can't have sub-series/archetypes in the same sense that archetypes do). This phrase does not actually appear on Neo Flamvell, XX-Saber, or The Fabled, all three of which are themselves series, and all three of which use a more verbose, but much less confusing, wording (one that I think we should start using across-the-board, to prevent future confusion of this type) that makes it clear that they, and not the group they are contained in, are series.
Sorry about the wall-of-text comments above, and what must surely have seemed like an increasingly annoyed/irritated attitude; as much as I enjoy thinking about stuff like this (that's why I spend so much time with templates ;) ), the more I think about it in one go - particularly when it has very subtle distinctions as this did - the more brusque I tend to get in discussing it, even when my actual intent remains unchanged. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:01, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Once again, I apologize since the misunderstanding was mostly my fault. And hopefully you noticed that I did go change the wording on Evigishki to more closely match the wording on other similar pages. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:54, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
No problem, and I'm certainly partly to blame myself. =) I noticed the change, but didn't actually see you were the one to do it; I usually check pages via email notifications, so I get a bundle of edits in one diff, and normally don't check each individual edit unless there's vandalism or I'm curious about something. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:36, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Two things.

I recall you saying at a the second of three forum discussions that the familiars depicted with the "Charmers" and their derivatives count as archrelation. I'm not sold on the idea. Take the Gagagigo (series), for example. He's depicted fighting both "Blazing Inpachi" and "Invader of Darkness" multiple times, fighting with and alongside "Freed the Brave Wanderer" and "Marauding Captain" in multiple other card artworks. "Kozaky" was also also implied to be involved with his transformations. Do all those count as archrelation? Going by the "Charmer" logic, they sort of do, I think. So it's a slippery slope. I propose we just declare all card artwork stuff to NOT be archrelation, including the "Charmer" stuff. The archetype pages can mention that, as can the card trivia.
A different issue, see here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I've never had an understanding of what archrelated is supposed to be, though I have had some idea of what it's not supposed to be; it's still the same now. If you've found a definition that seems to be working well enough, I'd say go ahead and run with it (as you seem to be doing) regardless of my past comments on the issue. =)
I've responded there. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:09, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I'm currently going with "support cards for members of said archetype/series"), something that is clearly meant to be related (like "Lumenize" to "Photon". Its Japanese name is "Photonize", but does not contain the Japanese text for "Photon") and "stuff that I can't be sure isn't related because I have no knowledge of Duel Terminal storylines). There's also things that are related via anime effects. And stuff like all the "Neo-Spacians" being related to "Neos" and "Elemental HERO" via fusions and "Chrysalis" via them being infant forms. And flavor text, like "Mad Lobster" to "Dark World". When I'm actually done, I may compile a list of what constitutes archrelation, which couuld always be modified if new circumstances arise.
I know. I got an email notification and a "LOL NEW MESSAGE" giant orange box at the top of every page until I check it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:15, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, a list would definitely be nice. =)
Now I'm gonna have to add some custom CSS to add a lolface to the new messages bar... =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't think you were serious. Going off of Golden Key's point, if you want an image from the anime, I can find you one. I have several in mind, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:47, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
If you want to, that's fine with me, but like I said there, I'll probably just end up looking for an image on Wikipedia or something. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:22, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
Aww man, come on. It'd be great to have something Yu-Gi-Oh related. Cheesedude, I'd love to see your suggestions. I might have a few as well. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to make suggestions; I still haven't gotten around to looking myself. ;) Any you suggest need to look reasonable at 40px high (or shorter), though; I don't want a massive new messages bar. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:33, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Shadow hide you.

*reverse pocketpick this proof then sneak out* --FredCat 20:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Is this what you were getting at? (Or did you intend for me to read that section?) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:21, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I am aware of that - I just pass the message where he didn't revealing it to you; at least it did some miracle. --FredCat 20:23, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Vocabulary Question

I know it's little offtopic here, but I know you're well rely to know most the words... I am trying to remember this word that started or at least have the word; "Clock"... you know, something that moving in rotate, one is normal (like real clock, to the right) and other is counter... (to the left, oppose to the right). I am just struggle to get this word out of my mouth... All I could remember was "Clockcounter"... --FredCat 23:42, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Counterclockwise? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:48, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Ahh... "Wise" was the word I am missing :| How irony... Thank you for a quickly answer, friend. --FredCat 23:54, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
No prob, I'm the dictionary/thesaurus at work. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Apologize for distract you for nothing. From this point on, I will just ask Golden Key whenever I forgot a word, thank you for your attention and let's hope this resolved quickly. --FredCat 00:16, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to ask me about his stuff anyways if you want; I'm a bit of a walking dictionary/thesaurus myself. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:34, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Artwork Gallery

As if you have noticing that I was updating couple of Card Artworks articles - I was thinking of the "Gallery" itself should be unique for Artwork itself only, almost like Errata's "Gallery", if you know what I mean. If so, then we should make it complete anew instead of using the one from Card Gallery box - because it's not suit for that article. Why not? --FredCat 12:27, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking about making a new card gallery template for a long time, actually. The biggest problem is that it's not easy to work with the <gallery/> tag's markup in templates, and that we don't have very much formatting in the galleries beyond that, so it becomes a question of whether the complexities associated with a template are outweighed by the benefits of having a template to enforce one formatting style. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:37, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
How about make them Look like this <artwork>, just similar to all Galleryheader and Navigation stuffs you (and your buddies) had creating in the past? So that way would be unique only for Artwork articles... If this is not good idea, then just say a word - it was just a suggest after all. --FredCat 01:45, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
That would require a new extension; we can't install those (though with the proper knowledge, I could write one). The best I could do would be an {{Artwork table}} template, which would largely duplicate the current {{Errata table}} template. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:22, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking - so let's take it slow for now; after all, we have many friends around this site who can help us hauling it up to workable. I know this can stress you to do the all work, but I don't want that to happening, such as Falzar and Delta can dupe them into other relate-article, only to let you add a little code that can judge the difference (like sexual affection being removed, religious cut out, etc.) --FredCat 17:12, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
I can create the template without too much trouble, but there's no way it could determine what's different between two images; that would still require a person. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
That's why I don't want to pressure you for that, just let above people come in the room and party around to get them straight up. --FredCat 17:16, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Other language anime lores.

Attempted to add one for Portuguese, but it doesn't seem to have work. We also need one for Italian. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Should I add one for any other languages while we're at it? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:55, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Haven't come across any more yet, but when I do, I'll try to add them if I can figure out what I did wrong with the pt one based on your edit. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:01, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Okay. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:03, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't see anything wrong with your addition; could you link to a page that uses the parameter? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:08, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
It wasn't the addition that was the problem, it was how he was entering them into the pages. I just fixed Ancient Giant. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:47, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after seeing Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight, and in fact typed out an update here, but apparently didn't save it. >.> 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:07, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Um, why are those parameters using underscores when the regular "animelore" does not? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:39, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
See the reasoning in my last comment here. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

yes，its chinese.i just want to do [[ ]] for chinese lore--Lieyanqzu (talk • contribs) 15:34, March 24, 2012 (UTC)lieyanqzu

Annoyance Article

I am aware that we can blocking the article from being edit or move, and very well aware that we can't block the non-existence article, like "Squiddy" and all those craps... Please be sure to watch them for create that article again, I saw them done that twice so far... Only because of the user that has the name in DuelingNetwork; I am sure you didn't know about that - but he don't exist for Yu-Gi-Oh! since of all official shit. If you see one, do your job; destroy it or just lock it up to prevent the repeat spamming stuff. --FredCat 03:46, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Falzar salted it indefinitely. Unfortunately, there were about 7 or 8 people recreating it, meaning it's probably a coordinated attack; this also means it can't be stopped simply by blocking IPs, and that, now that "Squiddy" is salted, they may simply move to a different title. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:15, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
That's just waste of the time... Created an article on a person that don't belong to Yu-Gi-Oh? They must losing their mind already. --FredCat 11:33, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Tokens

Tokens do qualify as archetype members, yes? They don't seem to be showing up in the navbox at "Cloudian" (though I can't think of any other tokens that would be archetype members off-hand). Going to try to look into the "Sheep Cloud Token"/"Cloudian Token" difference. It could be that both articles were created independent of one another without regard for the Japanese names (one or both could just be presumptions). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Checked both version of episode 111. The dub uses "Cloud Tokens" (and makes five mistakes in the process). I can't find a sub, but I'm not hearing the phonetic pronunciations for "Sheep Cloud Token" or "Cloudian Token" in a raw. Which means they were originally called neither of those things are or the romaji readings with have for them are wrong (one of which I added myself). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:33, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
That's the presumption I've been operating under (and I remember either seeing some other tokens added as members of another archetype, or adding them myself; I don't remember which tokens or archetype, but I do remember observing the same behavior in regards to the navbox). As for tokens not appearing in {{Archetype navbox}}, that would be a result of the queries in that template as opposed to anything in {{CardTable2}}; if you look through the properties of a token that's tagged as an archetype member but doesn't appear in that archetype's navbox, you'll see that the appropriate property is present and has the correct value. I'm not at all sure this could be fixed just by adjusting the queries used, and is yet another reason the property system needs an overhaul.
It makes sense to me that "Sheep Cloud Token" would use the same name as its parent card, since that seems in my experience to be the general pattern for named tokens. However, the anime has done far stupider/weirder things. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:43, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Ok.
Alright, here's what I'll do. I'll see if WinterNightmare can find a better quality image of File:CloudianSheepCloud-JP-Anime-GX.png. Then I'll ask Ryusui to give me a direct translation of what the text says. Then we'll know which (if either) token was intended. Then I'll have him check to see what the OCG card says as well. They could have also changed the token's name when it came out in the TCG and then given it another name in the dub. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:56, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:01, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Voice actors

Hi Dinoguy. Could you restore Marc Thompson and explain to PoirotH that we're making our own? Though he has a page, most of the wikipedia redirects don't actually go anywhere. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 21:41, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Done and done. If you're planning on making any more such articles yourself, I'd recommend holding off until PoirotH responds to my message and we see what he says. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:51, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
That would be wise. Don't want to get into an edit war with a guy who might block me on a whim. :)
Somewhat related, shouldn't the "Collectors Tin" pages be "Collector's Tin" pages? I was just looking through the deletion file and saw PoirotH deleted the Collectors Tin page twice, but the 2009 version looks like it had information that was worth keeping. I'm thinking maybe that one could be restored and renamed, with some additional info added. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:17, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure, actually, having never looked particularly deeply into it. The "Tins" section on the Yugioh-Card.com products page calls them "Collectible" (except for the Duelist Pack tins, which it calls "Collection"); I don't know what UDE called the tins they released before they lost distribution rights.
I'm not seeing any deletions for that title; did you link the wrong one? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:54, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Yes I did. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:18, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
There wasn't much there when PoirotH first deleted that page:

Collector Tins are a way of getting a certain card and 5 boosters packs in one. You get a tin with the drawing of the card printed on it, the card, the newest booster packs, and sometimes card sleeves. OCG tins have the things in it printed on the tin.

The more recent content was just a misused preload. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:27, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
There's only one link to the page (other then the one here on your talk page). I just looked, and apparently you're the one who linked it back in October. I didn't realize that when I asked you about this. Small site, eh? I guess at one point of time you did think it was worth a page after all. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:00, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
It seems currently, the closest we have to a general page on tins (that I can find, at least) is Collector Tin Series Promos. Really, the tins pages are a bit of a mess, even after Look234's cleanup of them last year. I think it'd probably be best to start with an article on Tin to cover all the various tins, from the original Booster Pack Tins all the way up to the current Collection/Collectible Tins (and also covering OCG tins), and work out from there to articles on the aforementioned Booster Pack Tin, Collection Tin (with a redirect from Duelist Pack Tin), and Collectible Tin, and then on out to the individual by-year tin series. We may want to have individual tin pages in the end as well, e.g. Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon Collectible Tin, to match the Yugioh-Card.com product pages, which are also per-tin. What do you think? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:54, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
That sounds like a very good plan. Admittedly I'm more of a fixer than a creator, so if we could get a few others with experience making such pages on board it'd be pretty helpful. We also have toy pages (File:CyberEndDragonMF02-EN-UPR-PlusToy.jpg) in need of creation... --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:13, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
My talk page is watched by a fair number of other editors; I'm sure someone will see this and find it interesting enough to work on it. =) In the meantime, I may do a bit of work on it myself, though first I'll have to decide what kind of lede sounds good (it's not easy writing about something as generic as "tins" in general without using the term to describe itself). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:32, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
On that note, I think our articles on boosters in general need cleanup. In many, they seem to be directly quoting the advertisements for them. Aside from not referencing where the content originally came from, there's zero reason to be directly quoting the ads to begin with. That said, I'm certainly not the person who's going to be cleaning those up either. Definitely not my department. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:41, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, there's definitely lots and lots and lots of work to be done on pretty much all of our set-related articles; first and foremost, I need to get the set version of CardTable2 to a working state so we can actually start deploying it and enjoying the benefits of template-enforced standardization across set articles (this would also allow me to finally make further progress on a few other template projects which've been in limbo for a couple of years now). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:50, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary trick

I'm curious. What trick did you use to leave an edit summary on a page which has the field hidden by default? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:15, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

I used Google Chrome's element inspector to disable the "display: none;" CSS rule (I'll have to copy your user CSS to unhide it so I don't have to do that in the future). ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:56, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype List

I know it's been 6 months since last time you created that article, but it showed no box of list of the needed monsters... or card if you called them. It's like a naked article with title and box that lead to other stuffs instead. Should updating it? --FredCat 00:51, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted it, since its main article was deleted in January. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:01, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
At least it's burn down without fear of losing a soul... --FredCat 20:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Do me a solid and notify Fred as well, will you? I had forgotten how to use this "talkback" thing. Btw, think you used enough "O"s back there? --ΜοｎtΕcｈrísＴο９5 10:12, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like he already saw your reply.
No, not by a long shot; I just ran out of breath. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:52, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
Yea, I saw that when you posted this topic up not so long ago. And remember, I get cat instinct! I can sense almost a distance away... --FredCat 20:56, April 1, 2012 (UTC)


He was here. He replied. You know what to do.
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CardTable2 ordering

I've been changing card pages so that card search cats are the last thing in the input, with anime appearances above it. It displays that way anyway when you view the page. I know it really doesn't matter, but I saw your edit to "Cannon Wheel", so I thought I'd let you know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:54, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

All right, I'll try to keep that in mind. One of these days, we should have a bot run to standardize parameter order across all transclusions (this is something I've been thinking for a long time). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:56, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't help that I used to always put the anime appearances stuff last and then changed my mind. But yeah, that would be good. Eventually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:00, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
On a related note, I've also been moving "effect" to be above all the lores...since that's where it appears when the page is saved.
On an unrelated note, I found another archetype. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:08, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I've been doing as well (along with "number"). When I think about it, I also add "effect" to non-Non-Effect Monster pages (including Spell and Trap Card pages) when I come across them.
I've wondered for some time how many undocumented archetypes/series from the first series, GX, and 5D's there might be (I rather doubt there're too many more, at least for 5D's and possibly GX). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:31, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Wait, why would a non-Effect Monster need to use the "effect" parameter?
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a find a few more while I go through all the anime/manga cards. I also wouldn't be surprised if some are buried in the edit history and got removed at some point during improper effect rewording. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
It wouldn't, that's why I said non-non-Effect Monster. ;)
That's been my exact thought - how many potential archetypes aren't documented here because they're supported only by an anime/manga effect? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:15, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Oh. I'll try to remember to add blank "effect" parameters as well then. Not going to fill them in myself, since I have no bloody clue. The only I could identify with 100% certainty is a Maintenance Cost. Really, I'm not even sure what the difference between discards for cost and discards for effect is.
That's a good point, but also not what I meant. By "improper lore fixing" I meant "changing it so it looks more like the TCG. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
That's my problem too. =)
Aah, I thought you were talking about cases where an animanga card was later released in the OCG/TCG, and the animanga effect was simply replaced by the *CG effect. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:03, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Clueless administrators FTW.
Well, that's another good point.
We need a CardTable2 parameter for Yu-Gi-Oh! D Team ZEXAL. I'm thinking "manga_dz" should work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:31, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
After all, who could possibly be clueless in our place? =D
Done, along with a bunch of other tweaks and cleanup... Now, sleep for me. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
I just remembered this. Definitely support for an archetype we don't document. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:27, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Ooh, good find. Judging by the first few revisions, it looks like it's support for a "Seal" (封（ふう）じ) archetype. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:10, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I was hoping you'd respond by saying you isolated the archetype name text. I couldn't. Now I can create the page (unless you want to; either way). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:16, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Go for it. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, done. I have to wonder if there are any other members that the edit history didn't reveal. Tried checking several other cards that actually do have "Seal" in their English names, but no dice. This is great. This archetype has literally no known members who have the English archetype name in their card name. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:41, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Outliers FTW? =3 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:03, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Stubborn User

This user just ignored my warning and shoved in different images in Yugi Muto and Maximillion Pegasus in their informbox, repeat... I revived them back to normal twice and just got frustrated with him. So go ahead, tear him apart and it would all be good. --FredCat 22:55, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Spell Card activation in future PSCT/Errata

I am sure that Konami would may reprint all those cards that involved "Spell Cards" being activated in the past; into "resolves successful" as following of "Bountiful Artemis". Since most of them can't triggering if the Spell Card is negated and destroyed, like "Spell Absorption" and many Spellcaster monsters, like "Skilled Dark Magician", etc. It once confused one of my sister's opponents when she used Horus Lockdown back in her time as he tried to recover from his suffer loss by playing Spell Cards and hoped to gain Life Points while "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8" was face-up. Do you think Konami should to do that way? Or just ignored and shit up those oddly PSCT stuffs around? --FredCat 15:43, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

I dunno; I'm still not much good with card effects. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:47, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Ah alright... I can't blame you ever if you're great with article designation... I only brought this theory up because of many conflict that other players/users whined that they should gain 500 LP or get a counter on certain card whenever Spell Card was "activate". Konami should think twice about their grammar... I found "resolves successful" suit them better than "activate", since negated the activate and effect of the Spell Cards would making them still think they still gained whatever. Since with "Bountiful Artemis" being updated, I would be happy to approve them same as her. --FredCat 16:54, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Query: Attack, Defense problem

Hello, I have been talking to you a lot lately about queries and I was wondering if you may be able to help me with something I just noticed. On pages with a query, such as Rank 1 Monster Cards and Card Tips:Wetlands, for some reason the Att and Defense values are doubling. For example, if the Monster's Attack is 300, it appears as 300300. If it is 1,100 it instead appears as 11001,100. Do you know what is happening? How can we stop this? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 18:16, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Same, it was when I went to check Gigo monster lists... saw them being double in same space. Either it's sysadmins' fault for not watch them careful or that's just Wikia glitch. --FredCat 18:23, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
We have to play the waiting game. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:24, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Cost

Check it out, I just notice the whole mess up so I went ahead and arranged it whole up. Think it look better? --FredCat 19:00, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, as far as I can tell, it looks pretty good. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:09, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
Glad I worked it out. And sorry I didn't able to respond for a day - was too busy dropping my ball all over the shine new iMac as a present :\ --FredCat 16:26, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Magical + Book of Spell

Hey, can you help me with this problem. I put this problem in the talk page, but no one is responding. In both archetypes/series, Magical and Book of Spell have 魔(ま)導(どう) + 書 (Book, Sho). so, what should we do with this? 24.83.215.20 (talk) 06:25, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nothing, I think. "Book of Spell" is technically a sub-archetype of "Magical", but since the latter doesn't have any support yet, that doesn't really mean much. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Counters in CardTable2

In addition to the anime/manga archsupport but not TCG/OCG/video game archsupport issue, I've also been leaving "counters" categories in card pages if removal of them would result in no cards having that counter category ("Fog Castle" with Beacon Counters for example). I modify the card search cats to use the video game effects in such cases, though need to leave the counter cat (which is anime/manga only) in I have the feeling I'm going to find a few more things that we may need to leave in like that, so perhaps we should add it to the {{CardTable2}} documentation (or perhaps you should since my wording sucks). Actually, I'm not even sure if we document that vg lores take precedence over anime/manga. That is the consensus though. On a related note, why is the category "counters" instead of "counter"? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:22, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

The card search categories in general are largely undocumented; this is just a symptom of the larger problem that CardTable2's documentation sucks, and always has. Documentation is not easy to write, especially when you're doing so after the fact, and particularly when you weren't the one who wrote the code you're attempting to document and thus don't fully understand how it's supposed to work or how it was meant to be used. Counters, and the rest of the card search categories, are one such case for me; I don't really know much about how they're used, or how they were meant to be used, aside from the archetypeN / archsupportN / (to a lesser extent) archrelatedN parameters. Because of that, there are all sorts of intricacies and details like the precedence issue you pointed out that aren't documented.
Not that I'm arguing against bothering with documentation - after all, I'm the one who originally started getting CardTable2 properly documented, after all - it's just that writing documentation is never very easy, and this is no exception. I'll see what I can do, but first I'll have to get the hang of how the "counters" category is used and where best to document it.
As for "counters" versus "counter", I have no idea, since I had nothing to do with its addition.
Circling back around for a moment, I think it'd be better to separately document the search categories for each medium with a unique effect, though I have no idea how the parameters would work, or how the information would be best displayed, and I also realize I'd probably be the one doing all the coding. =D
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to finish my little stroll down memory lane. XD 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:19, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Most of the card search cats are fairly self-explanatory, though there a few I myself don't get either. The knowledge I have from when I did used to play the game suffices for most of them. If you like, I can attempt to go through them (eventually; +1 to absurdly long mental "to-do" list) and try to document how they're to be used (then check with Delt, Falzar and ATEM so they can fix the mistakes I'm sure I will make).
The counters category is just for any card that uses a specific type of counter. That's really it. If the card uses that counter, then it should be added to that page.
Good idea, but yeah, that sounds overly complicated.
I've looked through that before myself. I may not understand most of it, but looking through it did help me grasp some of it better and it was interesting to see when certain functionalities were added. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:09, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
If you want to, go ahead. ;) A lot of the stuff actually is fairly obvious in hindsight, especially when you have the added benefit of knowing what the template was like when it was first added - what functionality was already there, what functionality was added alongside it, associated edit summaries, etc.
What I find really interesting is the fact that my first edit to the template happened the same day Delt started updating and extending Dantman's initial version; I have no idea how I managed to find the template so early. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:16, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Look at this, you bugged me to do it myself about Discussion article and now you're bugging DinoGuy off for his permission to post your stuffs or begged him to post those stuffs up on the certain articles... Why not just go and do it yourself then wait and see if other admins approved, beside this dude. --FredCat 20:28, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Don't really want to, but I still might. Actually, I probably should, since I don't even think those pages have an actual category. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:42, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
In this case, it wasn't something I was sure needed to be done, FredCat. And at this point, Dinoguy is the primary maintainer of the template I'd be messing with - a template I'm not familiar enough with to do any major work to. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:42, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Speak of that "template"; I just received a message from Goldy that there is a glitch in one gallery article... "Hero Flash!!" has that kind of glitch on top of the recipe... --FredCat 20:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, looks like you got it, Dinoguy. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 21:22, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, Fred, working with templates is quite a bit different from working with other types of pages, since a single edit to a template can affect many many pages. In addition, templates are currently only one degree removed from straight-up programming (if even that), and in many respects, are actually harder to write and edit than actual program/application code. Because of these (and how they interact with various behaviors of MediaWiki), editing a template isn't something you should generally do unless you have a reasonable idea of what's going on in the code you edit; CardTable2 uses some fairly intricate code in places (there is some of it that even I don't fully understand), so it's perfectly reasonable for Cheesedude to ask someone else to edit the template instead of trying to do so himself and potentially breaking stuff or introducing subtle bugs. ;)
I fixed the problem with the gallery header; the issue was that double exclamation points (!!) are wikicode for a new header cell when used inside a wikicode table, which is what {{GalleryHeader}} uses. It wouldn't be an issue if the template was converted to instead use an HTML table, but doing that would require updating literally every transclusion on the site (since you can't mix HTML and wikicode for a table's markup), and I don't have the patience for that. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:27, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Image

Hey Dinoguy, could you delete File:MahaVailo-DT05-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg and then move File:MahaVailoDT05-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg there, please? Blackwings0605 corrected all of the links on Set Card Galleries:Duel Terminal 5 (TCG-EN-DT) to the proper format, but only renamed a few of the images, so I assumed all the red-links were images we didn't have. >_> --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:52, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Done (more or less; instead of explicitly deleting the first image, I just moved the second over it). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:07, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

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