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| [[Amazoness Archer]]
 
| [[Amazoness Archer]]
| rowspan="4" | [[Cannon Soldier]] and its ilk are classic burn FTK enablers with no once-per-turn restriction which can be used in many strategies. The original was infamous, but spared being Forbidden for so long (unlike its faster Spell counterpart, [[Mass Driver]]) since it has the disadvantage of requiring a Normal Summon or another card to Special Summon it. The game is much faster now, and methods to Special Summon it and its counterparts easily are widespread. In particular, various Link-era burn strategies featuring [[Firewall Dragon]] (Limited) and the player's choice of engine brought them to the fore enough for them to be Forbidden. Amazoness Archer and Toon Cannon Soldier are technically greater threats than the other two, due to them being searchable. These cards are Unlimited in the TCG.
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| rowspan="4" | [[Cannon Soldier]] and its ilk are classic burn FTK enablers with no once-per-turn restriction which can be used in many strategies. The original was infamous, but spared being Forbidden for so long (unlike its faster Spell counterpart, [[Mass Driver]]) since it has the disadvantage of requiring a Normal Summon or another card to Special Summon it. The game is much faster now, and methods to Special Summon it and its counterparts easily are widespread. In particular, various Link-era burn strategies featuring [[Firewall Dragon]] (Limited in the OCG and Forbidden in the TCG) and the player's choice of engine brought them to the fore enough for them to be Forbidden. Amazoness Archer and Toon Cannon Soldier are technically greater threats than the other two, due to them being searchable. These cards are Unlimited in the TCG.
 
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| [[Cannon Soldier]]
 
| [[Cannon Soldier]]
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| [[Fishborg Blaster]]
 
| [[Fishborg Blaster]]
 
| An infinitely-reusable Tuner, although restricted to just WATER non-tuner monsters. Can cause easy OTK's when used with cards such as [[Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth]]. Broken with [[Formula Synchron]] and [[T.G. Hyper Librarian]]. [[Fishborg Launcher]] was designed to replace this card. With the release of [[Atlantean]]s, this card would create even more powerful combos and loops if it were to be unbanned.
 
| An infinitely-reusable Tuner, although restricted to just WATER non-tuner monsters. Can cause easy OTK's when used with cards such as [[Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth]]. Broken with [[Formula Synchron]] and [[T.G. Hyper Librarian]]. [[Fishborg Launcher]] was designed to replace this card. With the release of [[Atlantean]]s, this card would create even more powerful combos and loops if it were to be unbanned.
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| [[Firewall Dragon|<font color="#99CCFF">Firewall Dragon</font>]]
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| <span style="color: white">Powerful FTK, swarm, and Extra Link enabler, to the extent that being able to Summon it can effectively guarantee a win. Its first effect bounces both your cards and your opponent's, removing their defenses while allowing you to recycle on-Summon effects that aren't a hard once-per-turn including [[Grinder Golem|<font color="#99CCFF">Grinder Golem</font>]] (Limited), or itself when used in multiples. Also allows you to recycle hand traps from the Graveyard. Is the sole reason why several cards have been on the list at all. This card is Limited in the OCG.</span>
 
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| [[Knightmare Goblin|<font color="#99CCFF">Knightmare Goblin</font>]]
 
| [[Knightmare Goblin|<font color="#99CCFF">Knightmare Goblin</font>]]
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! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Limited|<span style="color:white;">Limited</span>]]
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Limited|<span style="color:white;">Limited</span>]]
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| [[A-Assault Core]]
 
| Superb card in ABCs, and can also work in other decks that use LIGHT Machines, like [[Cyber Dragon (archetype)|Cyber Dragon]]s. Can be equipped directly from the Deck with [[Union Hangar]]. Can be used to give immunity to powerful monsters like [[ABC-Dragon Buster]]. Returns another Union monster from your Graveyard to your hand when it leaves the field, including when used as a material, and including other copies of itself, resulting in a loop when combined with Firewall Dragon (also Limited) and [[Cannon Soldier]] (Forbidden in the OCG) that allows for an OTK. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
 
 
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| [[ABC-Dragon Buster]]
 
| [[ABC-Dragon Buster]]
 
| Boss "[[A-to-Z]]" Monster Summonable if its materials are on the field or in the Graveyard, which is relatively easy to achieve with cards like [[Ties of the Brethren]] and [[Future Fusion]]. Can banish a card during either player's turn, allowing easy disruption during your opponent's turn and clearing the way for OTK's. It can also escape destruction with its second effect during the opponent's turn, restoring its materials for the next turn to Summon a fresh ABC-Dragon Buster and/or make Rank 4 Xyz Summons. Far outclasses other "[[A-to-Z]]" monsters, whose materials must be banished from the field, cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard, use [[Ignition Effects]] that aren't chainable (excluding [[A-to-Z-Dragon Buster Cannon]]), and can only destroy cards (excluding [[VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon]]).  This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
 
| Boss "[[A-to-Z]]" Monster Summonable if its materials are on the field or in the Graveyard, which is relatively easy to achieve with cards like [[Ties of the Brethren]] and [[Future Fusion]]. Can banish a card during either player's turn, allowing easy disruption during your opponent's turn and clearing the way for OTK's. It can also escape destruction with its second effect during the opponent's turn, restoring its materials for the next turn to Summon a fresh ABC-Dragon Buster and/or make Rank 4 Xyz Summons. Far outclasses other "[[A-to-Z]]" monsters, whose materials must be banished from the field, cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard, use [[Ignition Effects]] that aren't chainable (excluding [[A-to-Z-Dragon Buster Cannon]]), and can only destroy cards (excluding [[VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon]]).  This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
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| [[Armageddon Knight]]
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| Sends ANY DARK monster from your Deck to the Graveyard whenever it's Summoned. Can lead to crazy power-plays [[Destiny HERO - Malicious|just]] [[Necro Gardna|by]] [[Zombie|simply]] [[Inzektor|dumping]] [[Stygian Street Patrol|one]] [[Infernity Archfiend|certain]] [[Wight|monster]] and can trigger monster effects like [[Archfiend Heiress]], [[Elemental HERO Shadow Mist]] and all the [[Shaddoll]] monsters. Can be searched by [[Reinforcement of the Army]], [[Mystic Tomato]], and [[Summoner Monk]]. Saw heavy use as a "1-card FTK" in late 2018, whereby this card dumping Malicious (Semi-Limited in the TCG) quickly summoned [[Isolde, Two Tales of the Noble Knights]], which soon led to [[Firewall Dragon]] (Forbidden in the TCG and Limited in the OCG). This card is unlimited in the OCG.
 
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| [[Babycerasaurus]]
 
| [[Babycerasaurus]]
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| [[Fairy Tail - Snow]]
 
| [[Fairy Tail - Snow]]
 
| Sets an opponent's monster when it's Normal or Special Summoned, and can be Special Summoned during either player's turn by banishing 7 other cards from your Graveyard, field, or hand, which is abusable in Infernoid or Lightsworn Decks since they can easily get lots of cards into the Graveyard. Can even be used multiple times per turn. This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
 
| Sets an opponent's monster when it's Normal or Special Summoned, and can be Special Summoned during either player's turn by banishing 7 other cards from your Graveyard, field, or hand, which is abusable in Infernoid or Lightsworn Decks since they can easily get lots of cards into the Graveyard. Can even be used multiple times per turn. This card is Unlimited in the TCG.
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| [[Firewall Dragon|<font color="#99CCFF">Firewall Dragon</font>]]
 
| <span style="color: white">Powerful FTK, swarm, and Extra Link enabler, to the extent that being able to Summon it can effectively guarantee a win. Its effect bounces both your cards and your opponent's, removing their defenses while allowing you to recycle on-Summon effects that aren't a hard once-per-turn including [[Grinder Golem|<font color="#99CCFF">Grinder Golem</font>]] (also Limited), or itself when used in multiples. Also allows you to recycle hand traps from the Graveyard. Is the sole reason why several cards have been on the list at all.</span>
 
 
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| [[Gem-Knight Master Diamond]]
 
| [[Gem-Knight Master Diamond]]
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| <span style="color: white"> A generic Rank 3 Xyz Monster that can easily fill the Graveyard with monsters, such as [[Burning Abyss|<font color="#99CCFF">Burning Abyss</font>]] and [[Phantom Knight|<font color="#99CCFF">Phantom Knight</font>]] monsters for easy advantage. Can replace or even recycle another copy of itself once it is sent to the Graveyard through any means, and can also be used to easily Xyz Summon [[Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal|<font color="#99CCFF">Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal</font>]] (Limited in the TCG). It also forms a small loop with [[Cir, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss|<font color="#99CCFF">Cir, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss</font>]] (Limited in the TCG). This card is Unlimited in the TCG.</span>
 
| <span style="color: white"> A generic Rank 3 Xyz Monster that can easily fill the Graveyard with monsters, such as [[Burning Abyss|<font color="#99CCFF">Burning Abyss</font>]] and [[Phantom Knight|<font color="#99CCFF">Phantom Knight</font>]] monsters for easy advantage. Can replace or even recycle another copy of itself once it is sent to the Graveyard through any means, and can also be used to easily Xyz Summon [[Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal|<font color="#99CCFF">Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal</font>]] (Limited in the TCG). It also forms a small loop with [[Cir, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss|<font color="#99CCFF">Cir, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss</font>]] (Limited in the TCG). This card is Unlimited in the TCG.</span>
 
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| [[Kozmo Dark Destroyer]]
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| [[Destiny HERO - Malicious]]
| The boss monster of Kozmo Decks. Can target and destroy any monster on the field when it's Summoned. While ordinarily not something worth writing home about, when paired with the lower level [[Kozmo]] monsters, it essentially becomes a form of pseudo-disruption during your opponent's turn. Quite hard to remove due to its high ATK and invulnerability to targeting effects. Also Special Summons another Kozmo monster from the Deck when it dies, and can even destroy itself to trigger this. Searchable by [[Kozmo Farmgirl]] and [[Kozmo Tincan]], and reusable by [[Kozmotown]] and [[Kozmo Strawman]]. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
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| Pulls another copy of itself directly from the Deck if it's in the Graveyard. No once per turn restriction. Can be used for easy Synchro and Link Summon plays. This at 3, combined with [[Armageddon Knight]] (Limited in the TCG), is an easy Link-3 Link Monster. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
 
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| [[Wind-Up Magician]]
 
| [[Wind-Up Magician]]
 
| Summons a Wind-Up monster from the Deck whenever a Wind-Up Monster’s effect activates. The "Once while face-up on the field" restriction is easily overridden by Summoning another copy of itself and activating another effect afterwards. Crazy when comboed with [[Wind-Up Shark]]. Can be searched easily with [[Summoner Monk]] and [[Wind-Up Factory]]. Creates easy Xyz Summons. It can clog up your available Monster Zones when overused, though. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
 
| Summons a Wind-Up monster from the Deck whenever a Wind-Up Monster’s effect activates. The "Once while face-up on the field" restriction is easily overridden by Summoning another copy of itself and activating another effect afterwards. Crazy when comboed with [[Wind-Up Shark]]. Can be searched easily with [[Summoner Monk]] and [[Wind-Up Factory]]. Creates easy Xyz Summons. It can clog up your available Monster Zones when overused, though. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
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| [[Called by the Grave]]
 
| Easily activated during your turn to cancel out an opponent's hand trap ([[Maxx "C"]], [[Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring|Ash]], etc.). Allows a player to build up near-impenetrable fields unopposed. This card is Unlimited in the OCG.
 
 
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| [[Fossil Dig]]
 
| [[Fossil Dig]]
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! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[No longer on list|<span style="color:white;">No longer on list</span>]]
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[No longer on list|<span style="color:white;">No longer on list</span>]]
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| [[A-Assault Core]]
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| Superb card in ABCs, and can also work in other decks that use LIGHT Machines, like [[Cyber Dragon (archetype)|Cyber Dragon]]s. Can be equipped directly from the Deck with [[Union Hangar]]. Can be used to give immunity to powerful monsters like [[ABC-Dragon Buster]]. Returns another Union monster from your Graveyard to your hand when it leaves the field, including when used as a material, and including other copies of itself, resulting in a loop when combined with Firewall Dragon (Limited in the OCG and Forbidden in the TCG) and [[Cannon Soldier]] (Forbidden in the OCG) that allowed for an OTK. Removed from the TCG list after Firewall Dragon's Forbidding.
 
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| [[Abyss Soldier]]
 
| [[Abyss Soldier]]
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| Strong ATK, seals Special Summons, and is difficult to get rid of since it goes back to the top of the Deck instead of the Graveyard. Generates a +1 when Special Summoned. Came off due to lack of use in the current meta.
 
| Strong ATK, seals Special Summons, and is difficult to get rid of since it goes back to the top of the Deck instead of the Graveyard. Generates a +1 when Special Summoned. Came off due to lack of use in the current meta.
 
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| [[Armageddon Knight]]
 
| Sends ANY Dark monster from your Deck to the Graveyard whenever it's Summoned. Can lead to crazy power-plays [[Destiny HERO - Malicious|just]] [[Necro Gardna|by]] [[Zombie|simply]] [[Inzektor|dumping]] [[Stygian Street Patrol|one]] [[Infernity Archfiend|certain]] [[Wight|monster]] and can trigger monster effects like [[Archfiend Heiress]], [[Elemental HERO Shadow Mist]] and all the [[Shaddoll]] monsters. Can be searched by [[Reinforcement of the Army]], [[Mystic Tomato]], and [[Summoner Monk]]. Saw heavy use as a "1-card FTK" in late 2018, whereby this card dumping Malicious quickly produced an [[Isolde, Two Tales of the Noble Knights|Isolde]], which soon led to [[Firewall Dragon]].
 
 
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| [[Artifact Moralltach]]
 
| [[Artifact Moralltach]]
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| [[Destiny HERO - Disk Commander]]
 
| [[Destiny HERO - Disk Commander]]
 
| Its effect as originally printed had no restriction, which proved to be far too powerful. Several cards could revive it, and they were effectively turned into [[Pot of Greed]]s by Disk Commander's effect. It now has a new errata as of 2018, which limits the effect to once per Duel and means it can't be Special Summoned from the Graveyard in the same turn it's placed there, so is much less useful.
 
| Its effect as originally printed had no restriction, which proved to be far too powerful. Several cards could revive it, and they were effectively turned into [[Pot of Greed]]s by Disk Commander's effect. It now has a new errata as of 2018, which limits the effect to once per Duel and means it can't be Special Summoned from the Graveyard in the same turn it's placed there, so is much less useful.
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| [[Destiny HERO - Malicious]]
 
| Pulls another copy of itself directly from the Deck if it's in the Graveyard. No once per turn restriction. Can be used for easy Synchro and Link Summon plays. This at 3, combined with [[Armageddon Knight]], is an easy Link-3 Link Monster.
 
 
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| [[El Shaddoll Winda]]
 
| [[El Shaddoll Winda]]
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| [[Judgment Dragon]]
 
| [[Judgment Dragon]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily in Lightsworns. Low cost to nuke the Field except itself. 3000 ATK. Double JD is broken, especially when they can be returned to your hand with [[Beckoning Light]]. However, in the OCG with the new Priority ruling change, the increase of anti-Special Summon cards for high Level/LIGHT (chaos) monsters, and Lightsworns not topping much might have been the reason to unlimit this.
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily in Lightsworns. Low cost to nuke the Field except itself. 3000 ATK. Double JD is broken, especially when they can be returned to your hand with [[Beckoning Light]]. However, in the OCG with the new Priority ruling change, the increase of anti-Special Summon cards for high Level/LIGHT (chaos) monsters, and Lightsworns not topping much might have been the reason to unlimit this.
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| [[Kozmo Dark Destroyer]]
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| The boss monster of Kozmo Decks. Can target and destroy any monster on the field when it's Summoned. While ordinarily not something worth writing home about, when paired with the lower level [[Kozmo]] monsters, it essentially becomes a form of pseudo-disruption during your opponent's turn. Quite hard to remove due to its high ATK and invulnerability to targeting effects. Also Special Summons another Kozmo monster from the Deck when it dies, and can even destroy itself to trigger this. Searchable by [[Kozmo Farmgirl]] and [[Kozmo Tincan]], and reusable by [[Kozmotown]] and [[Kozmo Strawman]].
 
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| [[Kuribandit]]
 
| [[Kuribandit]]
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| [[Burial from a Different Dimension]]
 
| [[Burial from a Different Dimension]]
 
| Can reuse monsters like [[Mezuki]], [[Plaguespreader Zombie]], [[Necro Gardna]], [[Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor]], etc. Also allows a player to skip the delay on a  [[Gold Sarcophagus]] search.
 
| Can reuse monsters like [[Mezuki]], [[Plaguespreader Zombie]], [[Necro Gardna]], [[Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor]], etc. Also allows a player to skip the delay on a  [[Gold Sarcophagus]] search.
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| [[Called by the Grave]]
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| Easily activated during your turn to cancel out an opponent's hand trap ([[Maxx "C"]] Forbidden in the TCG, [[Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring]], Semi-Limited in the OCG etc.). Potentially allows a player to build up near-impenetrable fields unopposed. Previously Semi-Limited to promote diversity.
 
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| [[Card of Demise]]
 
| [[Card of Demise]]

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Due to an issue with displaying the list from another page, I have moved the list to the main page, and all discussion will now have to take place in the current discussion page (see below). Thank you for your understanding. --VictoryViperXX03

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This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

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