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: '''This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.'''
 
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: '''Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).'''
 
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: '''Keep in mind that the TCG banlist is exactly the same as the OCG banlist (minus the OCG exclusives). So, reasons should be based on the OCG rulings.''' (adding a note to those would be appreciated, something like the one on Victory Dragon.)
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: And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
 
: And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
 
:: See also: [[Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart]]. {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)<br>
 
:: See also: [[Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart]]. {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)<br>
  
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So we now have news on the upcoming banlist. Do we update now, or wait till it actually takes effect? --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 05:53, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
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:I'm assuming we wait until it actually takes effect, for all we known Shriek might be wrong. It's unlikely but possible... And preferred.[[Special:Contributions/121.222.228.13|121.222.228.13]] ([[User talk:121.222.228.13|talk]]) 06:05, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the list be updated? Its march 2th (atleast for me) its supposed to take effect by now [[User:LaserGhost|LG]] [[User talk:LaserGhost|talk]] [[User:LaserGhost/Pesronal Guides|My own Guides]] 14:57, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
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:I was thinking about doing it but it's Falzar's forum and he usually does it. But, he get's really busy sometimes with other stuff and it's March now so I think I'll take care of it. This most recent list was really out there, so when I type up the reasons for where cards are on the list, it might be biased towards my opinion. So, if anyone ends up disagreeing with what I put, I won't care if they change it. I mostly just want to get it updated. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  19:49, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
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I don't think [[Glow-Up Bulb]] was hit to hurt plants, I think it was just an indirect hit for them.<br>
 
Hitting it killed the First Turn Quasar [[Future Fusion]] deck that was insanely consistent, without GUB they have no targets to make [[Formula Synchron]] with. <br>
 
So yeah, maybe it wasn't because of Plants considering they weren't exactly top tier for a while, just my thoughts.<br>
 
[[Special:Contributions/123.211.144.181|123.211.144.181]] ([[User talk:123.211.144.181|talk]]) 05:08, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Yeah, but Spore got hit too, so I'm thinking Plants. I'll add the First Turn Quasar thing though. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  05:31, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Random off-topic question - does anybody else think that [[Mirage of Nightmare]] should be changed from "Never" to "Very Low?" Seriously, even [[Yata-Garasu]] is "Very Low." [[Special:Contributions/99.165.192.113|99.165.192.113]] ([[User talk:99.165.192.113|talk]]) 22:41, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:I was actually considering it when I was updating this earlier. I could see Mirage coming back at some point. I'm mostly sketchy on the fact that it could make Fableds and DW OP. I would like a little input from other people before changing this one. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  23:33, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Dark Worlds I could see being pretty good with it, I can't see Fableds being that great with it though. Sure it'd give them a boost but they'll need more than a boost to be able to compete with current decks.<br>
 
::And I'm not sure it'd be brought back. Does it help Xyz's at all? Nope. Less chance of it coming back.<br>
 
::[[Special:Contributions/123.211.144.181|123.211.144.181]] ([[User talk:123.211.144.181|talk]]) 01:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::I wasn't saying it has a very high likelihood of coming back, but wouldn't you agree it has at more of a chance of coming back than that annoying [[Yata-Garasu|freaking-crow-that-wins-games-on-its-own]]? [[Special:Contributions/99.165.192.113|99.165.192.113]] ([[User talk:99.165.192.113|talk]]) 01:53, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::Probably, but even so, I think a very low is needed at least. --<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Crimson Joker|<span style="color:Crimson;">Crimson </span><span style="color:Black">Joker</span>]] ([[User_talk:Crimson Joker|<span style="color:DarkSlateBlue;">Talk</span>]])</span> 04:40, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::So, pretty much we agree Very Low for Mirage of Nightmare, correct? --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>'' 09:46, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::::I think that at the very least, nobody is arguing against it. [[Special:Contributions/99.165.192.113|99.165.192.113]] ([[User talk:99.165.192.113|talk]]) 21:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Ok, is there anything else on there that anyone thinks should be changed? And also, maybe some discussion on some cards that are marked as "unsure" ( "-" )? --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>'' 23:49, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Maybe [[Metamorphosis]] to "Very Low?" It has too many epic combos (derp, my [[Beast King Barbaros]] becomes [[Cyber Twin Dragon]] and my [[Metal Reflect Slime]] becomes [[Naturia Exterio]]). EDIT: Oh, and [[Formula Synchron]] to "=" I think, it's balanced at one. [[Special:Contributions/99.165.192.113|99.165.192.113]] ([[User talk:99.165.192.113|talk]]) 00:58, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Done and done. I put Formula as =, but with a chance of going ↓. With Glow-Up AND Fishborg gone, it's really not as broken. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  03:08, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::[[Fishborg Blaster]] to "Low?" As it says up there he is quite abusable, but also [[Fishborg Launcher]] was designed to be a nerfed replacement for him. [[Special:Contributions/99.165.192.113|99.165.192.113]] ([[User talk:99.165.192.113|talk]]) 11:18, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::With Laucher replacing Blaster, the odds of Blaster coming back are even slimmer. I'm gonna say Very Low. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  21:16, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Magical scientist should have his reason slightly edited, apart from the FTK he can perform with catapult turtle, he can also summon 4 xyz monsters by itself, which is obviously far too fast for this format.
 
 
 
[[User:Matthew Lightbody|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:Matthew Lightbody|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matthew Lightbody|contribs]]) 21:38, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:I agree with you, and done. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  00:40, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Does anybody else think [[Snatch Steal]] should go to "Never" (sorry, update to end all updates)? IMO it's even worse than [[Change of Heart]] because even though it can't target face-downs to take control of, it offers control as long as it stays on the field, [[Hidden Armory]] can search/recycle it indiscriminately because you don't need to summon during a series of turns where you just steal your opponents monsters, and the opponent LP gain just doesn't matter. [[Special:Contributions/99.162.190.109|99.162.190.109]] ([[User talk:99.162.190.109|talk]]) 15:02, March 17, 2012 (UTC) P.S. - Hey, maybe Konami will errata [[Magical Scientist]] to say "up to twice per turn" and bring him back to promote Xyzs. Probably not.
 
 
 
:lol, I didn't mean it would be the '''last''' update. I meant it as it would be the last mass update for a while. As for Snatch Steal to "Never", I don't agree. 3 MSTs, Heavy Storm, [[Night Shot]] (actually really good), etc. It's just not gonna stay on the field. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  17:32, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Disregard Night Shot, I put that forgetting that it only destroys set S/T. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  17:28, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
: [[Snatch Steal]] is pretty bad. Most of my losses in Duel Academy (I know AI sucks) come from blowing all my cards to get ahead one powerful monster, than losing that monster next turn. While The card can be destroyed quite easily from MST, You should never use the card with the intention of keeping it on the field longer than a turn anyway. The "cost" of increasing your opponents life points is easily negated by saving it until your foe brings out the big guns and smashing him with his own ace. I don't know if Never is overkill, but it won't be coming down anytime soon. It would be balanced if it was limited to level 4 or lower cards maybe.[[User:ZGWolf|ZGWolf]] ([[User talk:ZGWolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ZGWolf|contribs]]) 20:29, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::You're absolutely right, it's not coming back soon, and it might never come back. But putting "Never" is definitely overkill. "Never" should be reserved for truly broken/poorly designed cards like [[Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End|CED]], [[Substitoad]], [[Imperial Order]], and [[Victory Dragon]] (because of the way surrendering works in the OCG). --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  21:34, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Speaking of whom, IIRC, [[Victory Dragon]] is also banned, and never coming back, because you could sidedeck it in 3rd duel, even if you have 2 losses, the duel would be required to be played because it is "possible" that you will win the match, basically wasting everyone's time. [[Special:Contributions/75.58.124.7|75.58.124.7]] ([[User talk:75.58.124.7|talk]]) 21:53, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::I don't think it works like that. If you have 2 losses, you '''lost''' the match and you don't get a chance to side. The match can't continue if a winner has been determined. But, the point is, Victory Dragon is never coming back either way. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  21:58, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::: actually of all the "broken" cards in the game, I think Victory dragon is the most likely to come back. It was a pain in the neck to actually summon, and is actully pretty weak. As wierd as it may sound, I am more afraid of snatch steal than victory dragon. Then again I don't do much  tourneys. Just wondering, were there any cases between release and ban where this card was actually used? Not that I actually want it, it's just really shiny 0_0
 
[[User:ZGWolf|ZGWolf]] ([[User talk:ZGWolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ZGWolf|contribs]]) 02:55, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::The reason Victory Dragon will not come back is because of the OCG. In the TCG, when your opponent drops VD, you can just surrender before they can damage you with it, so that they only win the round and not the full match. In the OCG, you may only surrender after the tenth turn. VD is worse now because it can be summoned easier than before. [[Hieratic]]s can drop it in a single turn, and possibly drop you to 0 that turn since they're so OTK oriented. It also may never come back just because it's the only Match Winner that isn't Illegal. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  03:03, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Topic conflict ==
 
 
 
I am now notice the mispurpose of "CURRENTLY BANNED" while there are like Limited and Semi-Limited including those recipes. So why not change the topic to "List of Reasons why cards are on the Currently Banlist" instead of "List of Reason why cards are Currently Banned"? So that can making a sense...? --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 00:49, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Oh, I see what you mean. We're not talking about just the banned stuff, we're talking about Semi-Limited and Limited stuff too, so the title is inaccurate. I agree in all honesty. What about "Reasons why cards are currently restricted" or "Reasons why cards are Banned/Limited"? Which sounds better? I don't think we need to say "List of..." in the title. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  01:04, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::I agree with changing, maybe "Which Cards are Restricted and Why"? [[Special:Contributions/99.162.190.109|99.162.190.109]] ([[User talk:99.162.190.109|talk]]) 01:00, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::This unregistered user has better topic choice - let's go with that! --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 01:02, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::I like it too, but I want a few different ideas out there to choose from before we decide what to change it to. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  01:04, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::Do we need to [[Summon|''invoking'']] some Admins to include some discusses with this? --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 01:10, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::No, we don't ''have'' to. I'm just saying that we should throw a few more ideas out there for the new name. Like maybe "Reasons why cards currently on the Forbidden/Limited list" or something. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  01:14, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::::Ok, but I am still going with the one unregistered user made up, it suit this article better. --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 01:18, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::::I'm thinking about going ahead and changing it now because the current title is just meh. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  17:32, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Trishula ==
 
 
 
Ok why does the reason of trishula say "her"? does trishula honestly look like a female to you? [[User:LaserGhost|LG]] [[User talk:LaserGhost|talk]] [[User:LaserGhost/Pesronal Guides|My own Guides]] 15:01, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Are you sexist against female dragons then? I'm not sure as to the answer myself, but I've heard Trish getting called "her" by a lot of people... [[Special:Contributions/75.58.122.97|75.58.122.97]] ([[User talk:75.58.122.97|talk]]) 22:21, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
::As well as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trishula#Other_uses this article being mentioned "her"] allot. --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 23:17, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Most people I know refer to Trishula as a "her". And yes, I do feel that she appears to be female. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  17:07, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
IDK might have to do with the fact that most people refer to the card as "Trish" sounds feminine to me...
 
 
 
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==Scapegoat==
 
I want to discuss this card. I don't understand why it has been limited for so long. Goat Control is beyond dead, and with all of these mass removal effects floating around, it just seems like it's not that great anymore. Sure, you can use it with a Tuner to Synchro for almost anything you want, but Xyz Monsters are taking over anyways. Thoughts? --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  03:02, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
There's enough stall in this game. Soon you'll be able to fill a deck with nothing but stall.<br>
 
[[Special:Contributions/121.222.170.239|121.222.170.239]] ([[User talk:121.222.170.239|talk]]) 22:27, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Most people consider stalling to be a sub-par strategy in this day and age. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  22:32, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
The stall isn't that bad anymore, with more cards that pierce and easier ways to get rid of the tokens. I think the main concern is Synchros, so maybe it could have a chance of semi-limit now that Konami has smacked our best tuners and Synchro monsters. Personally, I'm perfectly fine with it at one though. [[Special:Contributions/75.58.122.97|75.58.122.97]] ([[User talk:75.58.122.97|talk]]) 22:31, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Agreed. I could see it going to 2, since it wouldn't really affect the game. I'll put it as Low chance of getting less restricted I think. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  06:43, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: and there are much more piercing monsters now. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 07:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Just because there are more doesn't mean people run them. How many piercing monsters do you run? I don't think I run any in any deck I play.
 
:::If that was a good enough reason to bring back cards:
 
:::There's many ways to destroy monsters, [[Yata-Garasu]] and [[Goyo Guardian]] should come back.
 
:::There's many ways to stop effects, [[Tribe-Infecting Virus]] should come back.
 
:::There are many ways to prevent destruction, [[Harpie's Feather Duster]] and [[Raigeki]] should come back.
 
:::These examples may be a bit extreme but you get the idea.
 
:::[[Special:Contributions/121.222.170.239|121.222.170.239]] ([[User talk:121.222.170.239|talk]]) 10:30, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::I see the idea, but those were all banned, while Goat is at 1. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  17:03, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::Unlike most of the ones you mentioned, [[Scapegoat]] does not tend to be a "play it and win" or "play it and get unstoppable advantage" card. [[Special:Contributions/75.58.122.97|75.58.122.97]] ([[User talk:75.58.122.97|talk]]) 18:48, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::I see you missed the part where I said "These examples may be a bit extreme but you get the idea."
 
::::::[[Special:Contributions/121.222.170.239|121.222.170.239]] ([[User talk:121.222.170.239|talk]]) 07:37, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Those Formerly Forbidden==
 
You haven't listed the reasons for [[Creature Swap]], [[Emergency Provisions]], [[Light and Darkness Dragon]], [[Mage Power]], [[Phantom of Chaos]] and the [[Gadget]]s at 2. I suppose this thread's name doesn't mention "Semi-Limited", but you did list [[Apprentice Magician]] and [[Morphing Jar 2|Morphing Jar #2]] so I'm not sure.
 
* Creature Swap/Mage Power: Too strong. Returned after revisionism.
 
* Green/Red/Yellow Gadget: Gadgets were topping. Now they're not.
 
* Emergency Provisions: Abused with [[Mirage of Nightmare]].
 
* Light and Darkness Dragon: [[Perfect Circle]].
 
* Phantom of Chaos: Overhype? I don't know the environment from that time.
 
[[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 20:08, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Well, I'd like to think that "Limited" implies that Semi-Limited is included in this case. Anyways, I can go ahead and add some reasons for those cards. I'm not sure about Phantom of Chaos either. I imagine it has to do with Sky Scourge decks. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  02:10, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
heres a reason for PoC: was abused in norelras and demise decks to create a yata-lock-like situation or in fusion decks with hard-to-summon materials (sacred beasts,VWXYZ) [[User:LaserGhost|LG]] [[User talk:LaserGhost|talk]] [[User:LaserGhost/Pesronal Guides|My own Guides]] 04:59, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
==A nice reminder==
 
I would just like to remind all of you that YOU CAN EDIT THE LIST AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SCREW IT UP! But I will delete anything I feel shouldn't be here. kthnx. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  05:20, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Made some constructive edits. It's almost impossible to edit the list on Internet Explorer because the size of the page slows the editor to a crawl. As a sidenote, I believe [[Solemn Warning]] can negate more cards than [[Royal Oppression]]. [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 16:56, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Okay, thank you. The additions look pretty legit. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  02:40, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::: Added [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=1}} section edit for the list]. That way it'll only load the list, and not this discussion area. So less to load = less lag.
 
::: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 04:03, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Thank you Falzar! I actually didn't know that was possible. Also, at some point, is there a way to archive some of the discussion? It's starting to get a little lengthy. It's not an immediate problem but I wanted to know if it can be done for the future. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  04:09, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::: Might as well. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 04:16, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::Thanks again. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  04:52, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Glow Up Bulb/Spore ==
 
 
 
I think that both of these should be changed to Low, Konami seems to be going through a phase of disliking reusable Tuner monsters and both of these fit the bill; [[Glow-Up Bulb]] is obvious, and [[Spore]] can still be used in combination with [[Lonefire Blossom]]. [[Special:Contributions/108.196.206.15|108.196.206.15]] ([[User talk:108.196.206.15|talk]]) 20:17, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Sounds like a plan. I don't really see them as being that broken personally. I can see them coming back at some point. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  23:14, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Most like never return - as they abused to shit out Quasar Dragon onto the field then punch the hell out of opponent's face if played right. Either ban Quasar or forget them. --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 23:16, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::I completely disagree. Most Plant decks opted not to run Quasar. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  23:20, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== About Rescue Cat ==
 
 
 
IMO [[Rescue Cat]] should NEVER EVER leave the list. Mainly because [[Unifolia, Holy Beast of the Forest|this card]] from REDU. I mean, Cat (or [[Summoner Monk|Monk]] into Cat) -> Unifolia + [[XX-Saber Darksoul|Darksoul]] -> Cat + Darksoul -> ... -> [[Naturia Beast|Beast]] + [[Naturia Barkion|Barkion]] + a couple of searches by Darksouls. That's too scary ._." --<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">Brunjox</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">''talk''</span>]],[[Special:Contributions/Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">''contrib''</span>]])</sup> 11:43, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Alternatively, a zombified version of the [[Last Will]] Rescue Cat OTK. If you remember that, feel free to tremble now. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 12:29, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
if only trishula was still here, it mneans 2 searches + 2700 beater + banishing 3 cards from 3 diffirent places. scary right?--[[User:LaserGhost|LaserGhost]] ([[User talk:LaserGhost|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LaserGhost|contribs]]) 12:45, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Very scary indeed. I do remember the Last Will/Rescue Cat combo, but the OTK with Unifolia is even scarier, because it's a possible OTK AND a Spell/Trap lockdown if you go first. Just set some backrow (the [[Solemn Judgment|Solemn]] [[Solemn Warning|brigade]] or other stuff) and it's game - ALL THANKS TO 1 CARD (Cat) or 2 (Monk and a Spell) in hand. --<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">Brunjox</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">''talk''</span>]],[[Special:Contributions/Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">''contrib''</span>]])</sup> 13:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Card of Safe Return ==
 
 
 
This card should go to NEVER because it should NEVER i say NEVER Come back. Something like infernities,X-sabers,Zombies, Wind-ups,frogs,synchrons and Lavals will overly spam this. NEVER Come back.--[[User:LaserGhost|LaserGhost]] ([[User talk:LaserGhost|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LaserGhost|contribs]]) 16:35, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
* You're right except for the "[[Infernity]]" archetype, who wouldn't gain any advantage from that card. Also, "[[Dark World]]" anyone? ([[Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World|Grapha]]/[[Sillva, Warlord of Dark World|Sillva]]/[[Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World|Goldd]]/[[Beiige, Vanguard of Dark World|Beeige]]/etc.) --<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">Brunjox</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">''talk''</span>]],[[Special:Contributions/Brunjox|<span style="color:#32CD32">''contrib''</span>]])</sup> 17:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
I used CoSR with 3 stardust and/or stardust assault modes to lock down their everything basically.
 
 
 
[[User:Kordeleski|Kordeleski]] ([[User talk:Kordeleski|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kordeleski|contribs]]) 21:59, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Ever with [[Hieratic]], if some Dragons are in the Graveyard, they can abusing with this card by reborn either Sealed version or Level 6 Normal Dragon ([[Luster Dragon 2]]) with enough of hand to recycle for next combines. --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 22:06, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Definitely right, with the exception of Infernities. Infernities would never use it, it would just be a liability. Fableds on the other hand.... i'll cal this one a NEVER. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  02:39, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Elemental HERO Stratos==
 
I think this card should be Chance of Up to Forbidden List. Not only it is +1, searching for Elemental HERO Neos Alius for HERO Beat Deck, but also, A HERO Lives Deck has taken over entire OCG Tournament. With XYZ available, it is now even easy to send Stratos back to Grave, only to be reused by Call of the Haunted or Monster Reborn again.--[[Special:Contributions/98.198.189.74|98.198.189.74]] ([[User talk:98.198.189.74|talk]]) 04:43, August 13, 2012 (UTC)A Nerd Next Door--[[Special:Contributions/98.198.189.74|98.198.189.74]] ([[User talk:98.198.189.74|talk]]) 04:43, August 13, 2012 (UTC){{Infobox}}
 
 
 
I disagree. I think Stratos should be brought back to 2 because of the many cards that can stop it, for example Thunder king, warning, judgment, veiler to name a few. It should't be brought back to 3 but it should at least go to 2.
 
[[Special:Contributions/99.100.171.71|99.100.171.71]] ([[User talk:99.100.171.71|talk]]) 05:15, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== September 2012 ==
 
 
 
== UPDATE ==
 
 
 
http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/129655023
 
The September 2012 banlist has been confirmed. On September 1st or 2nd, I will mass-update this list, including the new cards, new reasons for certain cards being where they are, and whether or not those cards have a chance of going up or down. I would appreciate it if everyone leaves this alone until then since there's no use discussing it with the format change so close, and there's no point in adding the new stuff before the list takes effect. Thank you kindly for your patience. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  08:59, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
What?!?!
 
 
 
So does this mean you can't have these cards period?  Because I was planning in getting Trishula and I already have Cyber Jar, Magician of Faith, and Giant Trunade.  What should I do now?  Throw them away?! [[User:SwordoftheSpirit|SwordoftheSpirit]] ([[User talk:SwordoftheSpirit|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SwordoftheSpirit|contribs]]) 01:28, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Yes, you are allowed to have them. You just can't put them in your deck. [[User:PHASE|PHASE]] ([[User talk:PHASE|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PHASE|contribs]]) 01:57, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
At all or can I use them if I say Duel my brother?  Or a friend who will agree to let me use them? [[User:SwordoftheSpirit|SwordoftheSpirit]] ([[User talk:SwordoftheSpirit|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SwordoftheSpirit|contribs]]) 02:48, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
If your opponent is okay with it then sure, we have [[Traditional Format]] don't we? [[User:PHASE|PHASE]] ([[User talk:PHASE|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PHASE|contribs]]) 03:07, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Question for Skull, what're you going to put as the reason for Spore being at 1? A large number of people agree there's no point it being at one, you think it was just Konami being Konami?<br>
 
[[Special:Contributions/58.169.183.228|58.169.183.228]] ([[User talk:58.169.183.228|talk]]) 12:57, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Pretty much - Konami is being silly, but also clever - if we get Spore back to unlimited (ever with it effect limited itself to once per duel), it can evade "D.D. Crow", any banish cards that ripping this card out of anywhere. It's like you tried to "Mystical Space Typhoon" the "Infernity Launcher", then see Infernity player miracle drew second Launcher. That's worth the trouble. --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 13:05, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Except that everyone knows you chain Crow to Spore's effect, so that it's still been activated. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 14:56, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
soooo...when are you going to edit the list?<small>''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:‎ Inuyasha205  |‎ Inuyasha205  ]] ([[User talk:‎ Inuyasha205  |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/‎ Inuyasha205  |contribs]])  18:14, September 3, 2012 (UTC)''</small>
 
 
 
: I don't play competitively any more so I'm not sure why the cards are hit. I think I've mentioned that other people can edit the list as long as they know the table syntax. (Or post the reasons below) <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 00:50, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
"Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity" is the first Xyz Monster to be in the list, so it's the first time to have a card with the black color in the table... I can't read it because the font is also black xD. --[[User:Missign0|Missign0]] ([[User talk:Missign0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missign0|contribs]]) 13:39, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
: The colours are the same as [http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/ what Konami use], so fixed. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 14:11, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
[[Pot of Duality]] and agent of earth has not been listed 
 
 
 
[[User:Matthew Lightbody|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:Matthew Lightbody|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matthew Lightbody|contribs]]) 09:51, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:A number of cards have not yet been listed. Add the hits to HERO decks and Seal of Convocation to those, then there're probably still more. [[Special:Contributions/108.196.206.15|108.196.206.15]] ([[User talk:108.196.206.15|talk]]) 19:41, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
I ended up procrastinating pretty badly on this. I'm not sure what all got updated here if anything. Anyone wanna fill me in so I can knock this out tonight? --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  21:47, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Guess someone did end up taking care of it. Sorry about the procrastination on my part. Just did a little cleanup and updating. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  03:12, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Deck Devastation Virus==
 
This card is not listed here and would like to know why it was limited/semi limited.--[[User:Rasengan0|Rasengan0]] ([[User talk:Rasengan0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rasengan0|contribs]]) 00:46, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
To be honest, I'm also stumped as well. Anyone know what the meta was like from April 2005 to September 2007 (the time when DDV was Limited, then Semi)? --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 05:02, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
My guess is that it could stop commonly used searchers like [[Sangan]], [[Giant Rat]], etc. [[Special:Contributions/71.59.8.64|71.59.8.64]] ([[User talk:71.59.8.64|talk]]) 21:14, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Hmm, I don't know about 2005, but by 2006, Dark Magician of Chaos floated around.
 
 
 
CCV+DDV (With Sangan and DMoC) kills Deck.<small>''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User: 98.198.189.74 | 98.198.189.74 ]] ([[User talk: 98.198.189.74 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ 98.198.189.74 |contribs]])  21:14, October 29, 2012‎ (UTC)''</small>
 
 
 
== black whirlwind and some other cards ==
 
 
 
Black whirlwind should go to 2, scapegoat should go to 2 or 3, Ojama trio should go to 3, shooting quasar dragon should be banned or at one (because double quasar is too overpowered), rekindling should be limited or semi because it can easily get shooting quasar dragon and lead to an easy one turn kill and if its on the first turn, there's not really much you can do (except super polymerization, that's the only thing that can stop it), premature burial might be able to go back to one because brionac is forbidden and giant trunade is forbidden but there's still probably some comboes with it, and is tsukuyomi going to stay at one , go back to banned, or go to 3? Is anyone using tsukuyomi?
 

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